Working Shoe for Young Exec

[Carnage]

hey is urs MTO or custom?

Due to my requirements, only customs or bespoke could be applied to my case.

In fact, Edwin said it was probably better to go with customs as I could actually try out the shoes to approximate a good fit.

 

[archangle13]

Like what boysdontcryy mentioned, Goodyear welted is a welting technique that can be done by hand or by machine.

I thought he was confused because Goodyear welting refers to machine welting using Mr Goodyear's patented technique.

Welting by hand is simply hand welting. Goodyear welted by hand is an oxymoron.

Here's my input. Feel free to correct me.

 

[kingcarlos]

Due to my requirements, only customs or bespoke could be applied to my case.

In fact, Edwin said it was probably better to go with customs as I could actually try out the shoes to approximate a good fit.

appreciate the feedback. so can I assume that the MTO is just the normal RTW series but with choice of leather and colour?

 

[boysdontcryy]

Why is the phrase 'goodyear welting by hand' an oxymoron if you're trying to distinguish it from goodyear welt that is done by machine?

1) Goodyear welting is a welting method
i) Can be hand-welted
ii) Can be machine-welted
2) Blake contruction
i) Cannot be hand-stitched
3) Blake rapid construction
i) Cannot be hand-stitched
ii) Layer of midsole between insole and outsole
4) Norvegese welt
i) Only hand-welted

I thought he was confused because Goodyear welting refers to machine welting using Mr Goodyear's patented technique.

Welting by hand is simply hand welting. Goodyear welted by hand is an oxymoron.

Here's my input. Feel free to correct me.

 

[Seannie]

Starts from 399 for basic and goes up to 1k plus depending on what u choose

Not sure about resold but they are really friendly, look for Francis, great guy, love shoes and really know his shoes stuff/techniques very well

One thing good about DW is that you can just walk in anytime, don't have to make appointment, feel free to take a look at their various shoes designs on display and make your own decision if you want to do it

Francis would never force you to make any impulse buying and would actually encourage you to go back think about it

In fact he is actually more like a friend to me and would patiently explain to me if I have any queries. We can literally chat for a hour or so just on shoe stuff

Another plus point for me personally

Any idea what type of welting do they use and whether they do resole for their shoes?

[/QUOTE]

Francis is so friendly and helpful that if people do not know may mistaken him as a gay. This type of personalized service is really lacking in many places, to the extent that he would borrow you a pair of shoes while your shoes is being serviced at his shop. He doesnt judge a person by his look or profession.

 

[Seannie]

I just want to stress at least to me that comfort is the most important. No point in wearing an expensive pair of branded shoes but it hurt like mad. Probably the ladies can go through that with their high heels, but i would give it a miss. =)

DW is both comfortable and looks damn great at the same time. By the way i only have one & only pair of leather shoe, which i think is suffucient. When the need comes to replace the worn rubber, i think i will ask Francis to lend me a temporary pair. Wanna see how far his service can be stretched.

 

[Seannie]

Aren't those Korean sh_it shoes made from fake leather?
If you dare, travel to those old towns in Europe and you will find forgotten pieces if you are lucky.

DW can be made from full grain leather. Francis is aware of a group of people attacking DW shoes and has already been looking into the matter with the lawyer and monitoring the comments made to defame the brand.

 

[Seannie]

After buying 3 pairs from Ed Et Al, I decided to try a different shoe brand, that was when I chanced upon Diamond Walker. Prices are not cheap but allowed me to fully customized what i want, especially with the playing of leather colours on 1 pair of shoes. Was also able to find the shoe width that i wanted.

That is simple becos DW is in a totally different league from Ed Et Al. One is for high-end the other for mass market.

 

[Seannie]

At Ed, i only had sales transaction, as in I walked in, choose the shoes and buy them. So cant really comment much on that.

Appreciate your sharing. Means i dont habe to waste time checking Ed out anymore. Have thought of checking the place out, but since you said its just sales transaction, i dont see the need to go anymore. Service also counts a lot in retail therapy.

 

[archangle13]

Why is the phrase 'goodyear welting by hand' an oxymoron if you're trying to distinguish it from goodyear welt that is done by machine?

1) Goodyear welting is a welting method
i) Can be hand-welted
ii) Can be machine-welted
2) Blake contruction
i) Cannot be hand-stitched
3) Blake rapid construction
i) Cannot be hand-stitched
ii) Layer of midsole between insole and outsole
4) Norvegese welt
i) Only hand-welted

Because the error is in point (1).

I believe it will be this when corrected.
1) Goodyear welting is a welting method
i) Is only machine-welted

To quote a source:
"The Goodyear welt process is the traditional method for the manufacture of men's dress shoes, taking its name from the inventor who devised the original machine to replace the earlier completely hand sewn method."

 

[boysdontcryy]

I think when one needs to distinguish between hand and machine welt, whatever gets the mag across is crucial. Im trying to explain that it is still done by hand on pricier shoes. I mean, you need me to post a picture of my shoes to show you my shoes which feature a 'Goodyear construction' as most people known it, which was welted by hand?

All this is quibble over semantics, btw, and the terms used in certain countries are not in others.

Because the error is in point (1).

I believe it will be this when corrected.
1) Goodyear welting is a welting method
i) Is only machine-welted

To quote a source:
"The Goodyear welt process is the traditional method for the manufacture of men's dress shoes, taking its name from the inventor who devised the original machine to replace the earlier completely hand sewn method."

 

[runforyourlife]

hey i send a msg to francis waiting for his reply.. u know the diamond walker which u guys said start at 399. can i expect just a normal laceless shoe that looks like this?

 

[archangle13]

Sorry. You're wrong. It is still done by hand on pricier shoes. I mean, you need me to post a picture of my shoes to show you my shoes which feature a Goodyear construction which was welted by hand?

Of course I would know. I own 2 hand-welted pairs myself.

The point is not whether welting can be done by hand. The point is that welting by hand is called hand welting, not Goodyear welting by hand.

Welting is a type of shoe construction. Goodyear welting is the automated process that achieves that construction. Hand welting is simply the original manual process.

Saying that a shoe is Goodyear welted immediately qualifies it as a machine-produced shoe. So Goodyear construction refers to shoes welted by a machine.

Your shoes are hand welted, not Goodyear welted by hand. I'm just keeping it simple and precise.

Yea, I'm not wrong.

 

[theRenaissance]

hey i send a msg to francis waiting for his reply.. u know the diamond walker which u guys said start at 399. can i expect just a normal laceless shoe that looks like this?

If your are specifically looking at these designs, why not just buy straight from Meermin and can some savings through VAT deduction?

 

[archangle13]

hey i send a msg to francis waiting for his reply.. u know the diamond walker which u guys said start at 399. can i expect just a normal laceless shoe that looks like this?

Why not just drop by. I'm curious myself. Chinatown area I think.

 

[boysdontcryy]

I know and appreciate the point you're making, and as per what I said the terms are used differently by bespoke shoe-makers around the world and it probably is the case that Goodyear welt was originally used to refer to the machine welting method (though they innovated and improved on construction other than just on the welt. That in turn raises the first problem. How do you say you're want all the modern innovations of the Goodyear construction if hand-welt by its strict definition excludes all those innovations?).

The true meaning of terms change and smth that means smth else then often means smth else now. What is correct by defintion is often utilized differently in contemporary discourse. Like made-to-measure has come to mean something other from bespoke. Like how there was no need to distinguish canvassed suit from fused suit because there was no fused suit then.

Let's hear you tell the Italian bespoke shoemakers that hand-welt is hand-welt is hand-welt. You tell them hand-welt and they'll ask you 1) good year construction (by hand) or 2) norvegese

What do you tell them?

Of course I would know. I own 2 hand-welted pairs myself.

The point is not whether welting can be done by hand. The point is that welting by hand is called hand welting, not Goodyear welting by hand.

Welting is a type of shoe construction. Goodyear welting is the automated process that achieves that construction. Hand welting is simply the original manual process.

Saying that a shoe is Goodyear welted immediately qualifies it as a machine-produced shoe. So Goodyear construction refers to shoes welted by a machine.

Your shoes are hand welted, not Goodyear welted by hand. I'm just keeping it simple and precise.

Yea, I'm not wrong.

 

[runforyourlife]

If your are specifically looking at these designs, why not just buy straight from Meermin and can some savings through VAT deduction?

don't know size.. 4 mths delivery time quite overkill lei.. how u all get it one? use comgateway?

 

[runforyourlife]

Why not just drop by. I'm curious myself. Chinatown area I think.

scared drop by no buy den they see me no up. cos I looking at cheapest range. transition from hush puppies.

 

[archangle13]

I know the point you're making, and as per what I said the terms are used differently by bespoke shoe-makers around the world and it probably is the case that Goodyear welt was originally used to refer to the machine welting method. However, the true meaning of terms change and smth that means smth else then often means smth else now. What is correct by defintion is often utilized differently in contemporary discourse. Like made-to-measure has come to mean something other from bespoke. Like how there was no need to distinguish canvassed suit from fused suit because there was no fused suit then.

Let's hear you tell the Italian bespoke shoemakers that hand-welt is hand-welt is hand-welt. You tell them hand-welt and they'll ask you 1) good year construction (by hand) or 2) norvegese

What do you tell them?

I would use the technically correct terms first, then elaborate. English isn't their first language after all. I suspect communication barriers will extend beyond just these terms.

In case you are wondering why I wrote this, striker22 seemed to be confused too.

 

[archangle13]

scared drop by no buy den they see me no up. cos I looking at cheapest range. transition from hush puppies.

Haha I would feel that way too. But then again if we don't look, we will never know. F*** pride.

Another consideration is that they are located in Chinatown, like I mentioned earlier. I can also 'see them no up'.