*Official* Shiny Things club - Part 2

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Sorry but just a noob question:

How did the saying : burn your fingers in stocks
Come by? Can you really lose more the amount you invest?

Example you invest $1000 to buy 1 lot of stock X. If the chart go down, you lose more than $1000 until you end the trade or hold it longer?

"Burn your fingers" just means "losing money", it doesn't necessarily imply that you lost more than you put in.

If you just buy a stock—if you don't use margin, if you don't use borrowed money, if you don't short, if you don't trade CFDs—you can never lose more than you put in.
 

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Fair question: I think the answer is A35 with POSB-IS.
OCBC BCIP has a $5 minimum per transaction, which makes it pretty expensive compared to POSB-IS (which has no minimum).
It all depends on the monthly amount, doesn’t it?

MBH should outrun A35 by about a percentage point per year over the long term. That suggests a VERY low monthly amount before A35 at POSB looks attractive. For example, $5 out of $200 is 5%, so by the 5th year MBH should pull ahead and leave A35 in the dust, roughly roughly.

The $5 minimum isn’t fabulous, but I don’t think it’s a veto either.

Of course the better way to do this is to “batch up.” You can do that with OCBC’s BCIP by sending correctly timed on/off instructions, and you’re able to do that online. For example, you could buy $600 every quarter instead of $200 every month. That’s a little more work, but it can be done.
 
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Thanks ST and BBCWatcher for sharing your thoughts! 😊

It all depends on the monthly amount, doesn’t it?

MBH should outrun A35 by about a percentage point per year over the long term. That suggests a VERY low monthly amount before A35 at POSB looks attractive. For example, $5 out of $200 is 5%, so by the 5th year MBH should pull ahead and leave A35 in the dust, roughly roughly.

The $5 minimum isn’t fabulous, but I don’t think it’s a veto either.

Of course the better way to do this is to “batch up.” You can do that with OCBC’s BCIP by sending correctly timed on/off instructions, and you’re able to do that online. For example, you could buy $600 every quarter instead of $200 every month. That’s a little more work, but it can be done.
 

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Sorry, $5 out of $200 is 2.5%, so the “breakeven” should be even faster, even if you leave BCIP turned on and don’t flip the switches every quarter.
 

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Hello, and thank you for the wealth of financial advice on this thread!

After reading Shiny Things' book, I am currently choosing between having IB or StanChart as my broker for IWDA, and would like to seek your opinions. I'm able to set aside USD 500 per month, and this can come in from my US bank account which should dry up in ~2.5 years (after which, I intend to use SGD). So, if I do use StanChart, the high conversion fees can be avoided for a while. However, being a few years away from 25, I'm hoping to take advantage of IB's low(?) under-25 activity fee of USD 3/month, but I am worried about incurring heavy charges once I do hit 25 (am pretty sure I won't have USD 100,000 in my account by then). Which broker would afford me a better deal?

Some questions that may influence the decision include:
- Can I transfer money from different bank accounts located in different countries to the same brokerage account? (i.e. can I transfer SGD to IB/StanChart after my US bank account closes)
- What are the commission fees for IB like? Being a complete novice I couldn't even figure out if I'll be paying with fixed or tiered pricing structures.
- Can I change which brokers hold my shares? e.g. once I turn 25, let all shares held by IB be held by StanChart instead.

Would appreciate your advice, thank you!
 

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For those using IB here, have a noobish question since I just started using it:

following ST's advice in the book to buy using TWS, I logged in to my Client Portal today to check some stuff and got this error message:

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You are currently logged in without Trading/Market Data permissions
We could not connect to the trading/market data system You can still manage your account but can't trade.
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However, clicking the "Log In" button just gets it hanging there, and I can't login to TWS either. I can't check my Portfolio etc. on Client Portal. Is this a weekend issue, or is there something else? I can't ask the IB chat since there's no customer service reps online.

On a related issue, is there a better way to make the transactions? I tried to buy on the Client Portal (Trade) itself last night but couldn't, which is why I went to TWS Desktop in the first place.

Thanks for any help!
 

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Ibkr is down on every Saturday.

For those using IB here, have a noobish question since I just started using it:

following ST's advice in the book to buy using TWS, I logged in to my Client Portal today to check some stuff and got this error message:

"""
You are currently logged in without Trading/Market Data permissions
We could not connect to the trading/market data system You can still manage your account but can't trade.
"""

However, clicking the "Log In" button just gets it hanging there, and I can't login to TWS either. I can't check my Portfolio etc. on Client Portal. Is this a weekend issue, or is there something else? I can't ask the IB chat since there's no customer service reps online.

On a related issue, is there a better way to make the transactions? I tried to buy on the Client Portal (Trade) itself last night but couldn't, which is why I went to TWS Desktop in the first place.

Thanks for any help!
 

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After reading Shiny Things' book, I am currently choosing between having IB or StanChart as my broker for IWDA, and would like to seek your opinions. I'm able to set aside USD 500 per month, and this can come in from my US bank account which should dry up in ~2.5 years (after which, I intend to use SGD).
That's about US$15,000 spread over 30 months. That's a slow pace. Why not pick up the pace? US$1,000 over 15 months works.

So, if I do use StanChart, the high conversion fees can be avoided for a while.
Yes, but not the transfer fees. You'll have to pay an outbound international wire transfer fee at your U.S. bank and then a S$10 inbound telegraphic transfer fee at Standard Chartered. That's bad.

However, being a few years away from 25, I'm hoping to take advantage of IB's low(?) under-25 activity fee of USD 3/month, but I am worried about incurring heavy charges once I do hit 25 (am pretty sure I won't have USD 100,000 in my account by then). Which broker would afford me a better deal?
It's under age 26 at IB, i.e. you enjoy the lower monthly activity fee of US$3 until your 26th birthday. The "heavy charges" are US$10/month thereafter, but if you're doing anything every month -- buying IWDA or VWRA, for example -- then US$10/month for your commissions is quite attractive.

Some questions that may influence the decision include:
- Can I transfer money from different bank accounts located in different countries to the same brokerage account? (i.e. can I transfer SGD to IB/StanChart after my US bank account closes)
Yes, but you shouldn't have to close your U.S. bank account unless it has an onerous minimum balance requirement. And if it does, and if you're still in a position to get a better account, I would. (Separate discussion, though.)

- What are the commission fees for IB like? Being a complete novice I couldn't even figure out if I'll be paying with fixed or tiered pricing structures.
If you're converting SGD to USD then buying IWDA or VWRA every month -- typical pattern -- then unless the dollar amounts are quite large or larger your commissions will be absorbed within the US$10 (once you reach age 26). You'll spend a little more than US$3 on commissions (below age 26).

- Can I change which brokers hold my shares? e.g. once I turn 25, let all shares held by IB be held by StanChart instead.
Standard Chartered to IB, maybe. IB to Standard Chartered, not for London-listed shares, no. But you could liquidate the shares (with a low commission), transfer the proceeds, then buy them back. As a resident of Singapore, assuming you're a non-U.S. person, there are no tax consequences with that "wash sale."
 
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For the global portion of the investment portfolio, what are the pros and cons of investing in IWDA only versus investing in IWDA + EIMI versus investing in VWRA only?
 

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Unfortunately they're right. You can't transfer POSB IS holdings to CDP; you'll have to sell them and re-buy through a different broker.

Thanks for your feedback, Shiny!

The problem is there are a lot of conflicting information out there, even from DBS themselves.
 

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I know, that's the problem (also they tend to have hilariously inappropriate asset mixes).

I actually looked into starting one. The problem is that - for good reason - it's really difficult to start a fund manager: a $1 million capital requirement for starters.

Shiny, I still don't think money is the matter. 10 of us pitch in a 100 grand each and the money is there. Getting the MAS licence to sell to retail investors is the hard part. The current robos are proud of their licences.

Sorry, $5 out of $200 is 2.5%, so the “breakeven” should be even faster, even if you leave BCIP turned on and don’t flip the switches every quarter.

Retail investors will do a hell lot better if they don't keep going in and out of the market, especially with ETFs. Just stop screwing with your brokerage account.

For the global portion of the investment portfolio, what are the pros and cons of investing in IWDA only versus investing in IWDA + EIMI versus investing in VWRA only?

Essentially you are asking if the emerging markets will outperform the developed world in the long run. The answer is: nobody knows.
 

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Hi Shiny, everyone

How did you invest in etfs? Through RSPs with bank eg. Posb invest saver or just pump in lump sum with a broker eg. Dbs vickers?
 

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Hi BBCWatcher, thanks for your advice. From what you said, I'll be going forward with IB as my broker.

A quick question: what are the benefits to, as you said, "picking up the pace" and spreading US$15,000 over 15 months as compared to 30 months? I would think that DCAing over a longer time period would provide a lower average share price (for personal reasons I can't invest SGD in the next 15 months if I DCA my USD for 15 months).

Thanks!
 

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Statistically it makes sense to just push in windfalls whenever you get them, amidst ongoing, regular buys. However, I allow that psychologically some people have a problem with that idea. But 30 months is way too stretched out. If you assume the long-term yield is 6% then you’re paying a high price to stretch things out that long.
 

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Hi BBCWatcher, thanks for your advice. From what you said, I'll be going forward with IB as my broker.

A quick question: what are the benefits to, as you said, "picking up the pace" and spreading US$15,000 over 15 months as compared to 30 months? I would think that DCAing over a longer time period would provide a lower average share price (for personal reasons I can't invest SGD in the next 15 months if I DCA my USD for 15 months).

Thanks!
Read up on lump sum vs dca. and you’ll understand it for life.

Some financial planners advocate especially with large amounts to lump sum 40 percent and the rest by 6 months.

All I read recommend all money to be invested by 12 months latest.

It’s all about opportunity cost.
 

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lump sum now at historical high just to see them crash within next 2 years? This is going to be painful though.

Read up on lump sum vs dca. and you’ll understand it for life.

Some financial planners advocate especially with large amounts to lump sum 40 percent and the rest by 6 months.

All I read recommend all money to be invested by 12 months latest.

It’s all about opportunity cost.
 
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