Asus GT-AX11000/Pro, RT-AX89X, , GT-AX6000, RT-AX88U Pro, RT-AX86U/Pro, RT-AX86S, TUF-AX6000, RT-AX82U (V1/V2), TUF-AX5400, RT-AX5400 and TUF-AX4200

[xiaofan]

am i able to configure such like ONR - ASUS AX86U - Singtel TV BOX (via ASUS vlan profile setup)?

No. This will not work.

Even if you ask SingTel to bridge the ONR and it will still not work.

 

[memoriess]

No. This will not work.

Even if you ask SingTel to bridge the ONR and it will still not work.

how can i get this work? changing onr to ont?

 

[xiaofan]

how can i get this work? changing onr to ont?

SingTel will not do that for you.

If you really want to get the AX86U, you can keep the SingTel router for TV. You can connect your AX86U to the other port of ONR and configure it as a router (Double NAT) or AP.

ONR - Singtel Router (room, you can disable wireless if you want) - Singtel TV Box (room)

ONR -- AX86U

 

[memoriess]

SingTel will not do that for you.

If you really want to get the AX86U, you can keep the SingTel router for TV. You can connect your AX86U to the other port of ONR and configure it as a router (Double NAT) or AP.

ONR - Singtel Router (room, you can disable wireless if you want) - Singtel TV Box (room)

ONR -- AX86U

cause i think my onr is having issue and later on technician will come down, maybe i can request to change onr to ont? haha.

but bro, why singtel is offering the router but it cant work with singtel tv? abit confusing...

 

[xiaofan]

cause i think my onr is having issue and later on technician will come down, maybe i can request to change onr to ont? haha.

but bro, why singtel is offering the router but it cant work with singtel tv? abit confusing...

RT-AX86U works with Singtel TV for ONT users. If you are an ONR user, they expect you to connect SingTel TV box to the ONR port, even if you ask them to bridge the ONR. The bridged port has no VLAN and you can not connect SingTel TV box to the bridged port.

They are also offering Linksys E9450 which does not support Singtel TV box at all as per SingTel Facebook.

 

[xiaofan]

Yes. Because there's only 1 GPON connection back to their OLT, you're hard capped by the limits of that 1 GPON connection. Of course it's not to their benefit that they advertise this as prominantly as 1+1Gbps, so most consumer won't know. It could be in the fine prints, but I haven't went about looking for it.

Then they are limiting the uplink speed for those plans, nothing to do with hitting the theoretical limits of a single GPON connection.

I guess in their expected use case of the 1+1Gbps plan, they did not expected users to aggregate both WAN conenctions together. If the users don't aggregate the WAN connections, they will never hit above 1Gbps down and up at any one time. If the user aren't going to be hitting the hard limits of that GPON connection, I guess it's in their best interest to not talk about it to avoid "unnecessary questions" for their helpdesk/sales team?

Whereas for their 10Gbps plan, it is likely that the user have a 10GbE NIC. In that case the user would very quickly realise they are hitting the limits of SingTel's implementation of XG-PON, so I guess it's better for them to be upfront that their the XG-PON tech they implemented has an uplink limit of 2.5Gbps.

Do note I'm just speculating here, don't take it as facts.

Finally I found the cap in the SingTel 2Gbps FAQ.

Download up to 2Gbps and upload up to 1Gbps

 

[xiaofan]

Finally I found the cap in the SingTel 2Gbps FAQ.
Download up to 2Gbps and upload up to 1Gbps

Same for Starhub.

https://www.starhub.com/personal/hom...bre-2gbps.html

Port 1 & 3 are capable to handle up to 1Gbps download and upload.Two ports concurrent download up to 2Gbps, upload up to 1Gbps.

I have not found the upload speed clause in Viewquest. Anyway, most likely they have some fine print to say 1Gbps upload as well.
https://viewqwest.com/internet/2gbps

 

[xiaofan]

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...band-official-thread-part-5-a-5465321-70.html

The only possibly true 2Gbps plan was probably M1 2Gbps plan (no longer offered) if the following is correct as they use XG-PON ONT for 2/5/10Gbs plan.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...band-official-thread-part-5-a-5465321-70.html

On the other hand, new generation of router like AX86U with dual WAN load balancing, 2.5Gbe LAN port and WiFi 6 160MHz support (usually AX5400 and above), the dual 1Gbps plans become kind of real 2Gbps plan already.

Now thinking about it, AX86U dual WAN load balancing might work with the aggregated 2Gbps plan like SingTel and Viewquest 2Gbps as well. ??

 

[porky_88]

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...band-official-thread-part-5-a-5465321-70.html

The only possibly true 2Gbps plan was probably M1 2Gbps plan (no longer offered) if the following is correct as they use XG-PON ONT for 2/5/10Gbs plan.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...band-official-thread-part-5-a-5465321-70.html

On the other hand, new generation of router like AX86U with dual WAN load balancing, 2.5Gbe LAN port and WiFi 6 160MHz support (usually AX5400 and above), the dual 1Gbps plans become kind of real 2Gbps plan already.

Now thinking about it, AX86U dual WAN load balancing might work with the aggregated 2Gbps plan like SingTel and Viewquest 2Gbps as well. ??

It will not work. dual wan load balancing routes via different gateways. the aggregated 2Gbps is essentially one single lan network with only one gateway.

LACP and multi WAN load-balancing will multiply effective bandwidth but each udp/tcp connection is still limited to 1Gbps. Eg, to load a webpage, there are multiple elements and each of these elements is a connection.

2Gbps through LACP and multi WAN is different from a single 2.5Gbps or 10Gbps connection.

unless your connection is used for a large number of devices. then the 2Gbps effective bandwidth make sense. Cos there are lots of connections.

for most large downloads where you want the speed to be fast like downloading ios images.. 1Gbps or 2Gbps there is no difference because that download is a single connection.

speedtest automatically switches to 4 connections (if i remember correctly) so you will see huge improvements. But this is not a real world example.

but multi wan has real world benefits if you know what you are doing as you can connmark specific devices/applications to use a specific wan and of course if your wan providers are two different telco, then you will have some sort of redundancy as well

 

[xiaofan]

It will not work. dual wan load balancing routes via different gateways. the aggregated 2Gbps is essentially one single lan network with only one gateway.

LACP and multi WAN load-balancing will multiply effective bandwidth but each udp/tcp connection is still limited to 1Gbps. Eg, to load a webpage, there are multiple elements and each of these elements is a connection.

2Gbps through LACP and multi WAN is different from a single 2.5Gbps or 10Gbps connection.

unless your connection is used for a large number of devices. then the 2Gbps effective bandwidth make sense. Cos there are lots of connections.

for most large downloads where you want the speed to be fast like downloading ios images.. 1Gbps or 2Gbps there is no difference because that download is a single connection.

speedtest automatically switches to 4 connections (if i remember correctly) so you will see huge improvements. But this is not a real world example.

but multi wan has real world benefits if you know what you are doing as you can connmark specific devices/applications to use a specific wan and of course if your wan providers are two different telco, then you will have some sort of redundancy as well

Thanks for the insights. So aggregated 2Gbps plan will not work.

Yes SpeedTest uses up to 4 connections.
https://help.speedtest.net/hc/en-us...How-does-Speedtest-measure-my-network-speeds-

As for large file download, I think download managers or utilities (idm, aria2, qBittorrent, etc) are mostly multithread so they should gain the benefits of dual WAN load balancing as well.

 

[porky_88]

Thanks for the insights. So aggregated 2Gbps plan will not work.

Yes SpeedTest uses up to 4 connections.

https://help.speedtest.net/hc/en-us...How-does-Speedtest-measure-my-network-speeds-

As for large file download, I think download managers or utilities (idm, aria2, qBittorrent, etc) are mostly multithread so they should gain the benefits of dual WAN load balancing as well.

yes it will benefit. but that is based on the assumption your torrent client can handle more than 120MB/s.. that's MB/s not Mbps
or there are multiple torrent clients operating at the same time...

on the side on note, u should never torrent without VPN
and if you torrent with VPN, it makes the whole multithread thingy moot again. cos i have not yet seem a vpn accessible from SG at near 1Gbps speed

 

[kendo21]

No. This will not work.

Even if you ask SingTel to bridge the ONR and it will still not work.

I think its might work, although im lazy to test it as i took out my MIO box and kept it. 1 of the ONR port is a ONT bridge port which connect to the AX86U, which serve as a router mode than a access point. If the theory of my previous set up of using a AC86U connected to a ONT and output MIO TV from my AC86U Lan port 4 works.

 

[porky_88]

i came to this thread to find lobangs to get AX86u... but found lots of post on 2Gbps cos AX can now be faster than your 1Gbps broadband.

but do consider the following
1) when was the last time you saturate your 1Gbps WAN consistently and for prolong periods of time?
2) wifi speed is one directional. wan/lan is duplex for almost all modern gear
3) if you really have a lot of devices, it maybe better to get multiple AC AP to distribute the load instead of consolidating into one very fast AX AP

pls do your own due diligence when read AX marketing materials.

 

[xiaofan]

I think its might work, although im lazy to test it as i took out my MIO box and kept it. 1 of the ONR port is a ONT bridge port which connect to the AX86U, which serve as a router mode than a access point. If the theory of my previous set up of using a AC86U connected to a ONT and output MIO TV from my AC86U Lan port 4 works.

ONT then no problem.

ONR is the problem.

In your case with 1+1 Gbps plan, basically you have a bridged port with no VLAN, no way you can get SingTel TV box working from that port.

Then you have three ONR port which you can connect to your SingTel TV box. The issue comes if you put the ONR in one place (say DB box) and your SingTel TV box is another place where you want to have both internet and SingTel TV. And unfortunately you only have one LAN port in this place.

Then you find out only SingTel wireless router will work and no other 3rd party router will work.

If you need to use the 3rd party router and SingTel TV box, you need to have two LAN ports, one for SingTel TV and one for your 3rd party router.

Long thread here.
Basically this will not work.
ONR - 3rd party Router (either router mode or AP mode) - Singtel TV Box

Ref: SingTel ONR AP issue
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...clinic-4/singtel-onr-ap-issues-5778791-3.html

Only person who seems to know the details is probably miloaidino and there are potential solutions using smart switch but then it is probably too complicated.

 

[miloaisdino]

It will not work. dual wan load balancing routes via different gateways. the aggregated 2Gbps is essentially one single lan network with only one gateway.

LACP and multi WAN load-balancing will multiply effective bandwidth but each udp/tcp connection is still limited to 1Gbps. Eg, to load a webpage, there are multiple elements and each of these elements is a connection.

2Gbps through LACP and multi WAN is different from a single 2.5Gbps or 10Gbps connection.

unless your connection is used for a large number of devices. then the 2Gbps effective bandwidth make sense. Cos there are lots of connections.

for most large downloads where you want the speed to be fast like downloading ios images.. 1Gbps or 2Gbps there is no difference because that download is a single connection.

speedtest automatically switches to 4 connections (if i remember correctly) so you will see huge improvements. But this is not a real world example.

but multi wan has real world benefits if you know what you are doing as you can connmark specific devices/applications to use a specific wan and of course if your wan providers are two different telco, then you will have some sort of redundancy as well

pls.. this logic only applies to load balancing over connections with low bandwidth cap. for aggregation at high speeds eg 1gbps, the full 2gbps can be utilised by a single client as high bandwidth applications commonly use multithreaded download (as i explained in earlier post), which includes bittorrent and steam.

this is because most applications will reach the limitations of single stream tcp before hitting the bandwidth cap of 1gbps due to latency. So it is also unreasonable to expect a single tcp stream to be able to reach >1gbps throughput unless the latency is already low due to ack being received less frequently. there will be virtually no difference in download speeds between 1gbps or 2gbps connections if the application isnt designed to utilise multiple tcp/udp streams unless the latency is really low eg local mirrors. even then download managers eg idm can be used to get past this

 

[xiaofan]

i came to this thread to find lobangs to get AX86u... but found lots of post on 2Gbps cos AX can now be faster than your 1Gbps broadband.

but do consider the following
1) when was the last time you saturate your 1Gbps WAN consistently and for prolong periods of time?
2) wifi speed is one directional. wan/lan is duplex for almost all modern gear
3) if you really have a lot of devices, it maybe better to get multiple AC AP to distribute the load instead of consolidating into one very fast AX AP

pls do your own due diligence when read AX marketing materials.

AX is probably not the main reason but rather the 2.5Gbe port of AX86U, which is the main benefit of AX86U versus AX88U.

Also the fact it is now bundled with SingTel 1+1 Gbps gaming plan, so that triggers the interests of a few people who want to get more out of the plan.

Edit to add: other AX86U advantages over AX88U.

just to add on..
AX86 has faster ram(1866Mbps) and USB3.2
AX88 ram speed(1600Mbps), USB3.1

but all those specs not really critical to users. go for the best design

AX88U has more LAN ports, and faster 2.4GHz AX speed. So it is rated AX6000 vs AX5700 of the AX86U. More LAN ports can be useful.

 

[porky_88]

AX is probably not the main reason but rather the 2.5Gbe port of AX86U, which is the main benefit of AX86U versus AX88U.

Also the fact it is now bundled with SingTel 1+1 Gbps gaming plan, so that triggers the interests of a few people who want to get more out of the plan.

which also unfortunately mean that ax86u not available for retail channels... well.. asus's loss

the 2.5Gbe port is practically useless for most users. no 2.5gbps ONT offered by any BB in SG. if connecting to a switch. 2.5Gbps switches are rare. imho.. it's a neither here nor there. if connecting to 10Gbe switch.. then another can of worms.

the reason i was looking for ax86u is pretty lame... lol ... it takes a very small footprint.. just nice take over position of ac68u.

 

[porky_88]

pls.. this logic only applies to load balancing over connections with low bandwidth cap. for aggregation at high speeds eg 1gbps, the full 2gbps can be utilised by a single client as high bandwidth applications commonly use multithreaded download (as i explained in earlier post), which includes bittorrent and steam.

this is because most applications will reach the limitations of single stream tcp before hitting the bandwidth cap of 1gbps due to latency. So it is also unreasonable to expect a single tcp stream to be able to reach >1gbps throughput unless the latency is already low due to ack being received less frequently. there will be virtually no difference in download speeds between 1gbps or 2gbps connections if the application isnt designed to utilise multiple tcp/udp streams unless the latency is really low eg local mirrors. even then download managers eg idm can be used to get past this

i run 2Gbps multi network wan (configured to loadbalance through pfsense) from viewqwest few years back. run LACP (layer 3+4 hash policy) on devices that can utilise it, nas, macbook pro, unifi ac hd. If u don't configure LACP properly, the connection can end up all on the same wire and not distribute evenly.
The speed increase was only felt during speed test (maybe i don't torrent much). but i had to deal with the complexities involved including out of order packets due to layer 3+4.
honestly the only thing gained is bragging rights. but hey if you think dual 1Gbps wan loadbalancing is for you. go for it. you will probably gain from the experience setting and administrating it. cheers

 

[xiaofan]

which also unfortunately mean that ax86u not available for retail channels... well.. asus's loss

the 2.5Gbe port is practically useless for most users. no 2.5gbps ONT offered by any BB in SG. if connecting to a switch. 2.5Gbps switches are rare. imho.. it's a neither here nor there. if connecting to 10Gbe switch.. then another can of worms.

the reason i was looking for ax86u is pretty lame... lol ... it takes a very small footprint.. just nice take over position of ac68u.

Lol.

Yes I agree that 2.5Gbe is not in prime time as of now. But it will gain momentum.

2.5Gbe adapters are cheap enough now, including PCIE version and USB 3 version. PC motherboards start to ship with built-in 2.5Gbe ports. CAT5E cable is enough. There are also NAS available.

Only problem is the 2.5Gbe switch. But things may change soon now that QNAP has come out the first pure 2.5Gbe port switch. TP-Link has also come out with 2.5Gbe switch with two 10G uplink SFP+ ports.

 

[badsector]

which also unfortunately mean that ax86u not available for retail channels... well.. asus's loss

the 2.5Gbe port is practically useless for most users. no 2.5gbps ONT offered by any BB in SG. if connecting to a switch. 2.5Gbps switches are rare. imho.. it's a neither here nor there. if connecting to 10Gbe switch.. then another can of worms.

the reason i was looking for ax86u is pretty lame... lol ... it takes a very small footprint.. just nice take over position of ac68u.

2.5Gbe..i believe was never for WAN. it's for LAN since many ppl lay cat5e yrs ago

anyway most do not need such WAN speed