[CONSOLIDATED][Russia Edition] General discussion on Ukraine/Russia war

[tracerguy]

Russia destroying Nazi Azov Battalion.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...-takes-centre-stage-in-ukraine-propaganda-war
Paris (AFP) – Some call them war heroes, others neo-Nazis: Ukraine's Azov Regiment is at the heart of the propaganda war between Kyiv and Moscow, as Russia claims to seek the "denazification" of Ukraine.

so latest development on Azov batallion? rike are they really get decimated?

 

[BioProEng]

but it's weird.

their objective from the start was to "neutralize" & "de-nazify" Ukraine no?
but we have ppl spewing BS that Russia failed to conquer Ukraine so they have lost. etc
Occupying was never part of their strategy/goals.

1. Russian's main target, AKA Majority of the Azov/Aidar/Banderists were all caught off-guard when they were all gathered in the eastern part of Ukraine when Russia struck. About 160k of them.

2. Mariupol had around 70k last i heard, Kharkiv has another big detachment, with the rest scattered around smaller settlements.

as far as we can see here, Mariupol has fallen, Kharkiv is close to falling, alot of the smaller settlements gg also.
Meaning a large % of these Azov type have been eliminated....so they already achieved a large part of what they have set out to do.


personally, i don't think it will end so soon, earliest is late April or early May.

Also, I maintain my believe that the most likely outcome will end with balkanization of Ukraine like Yugoslavia

All the while they believe that Russia wants take over ukraine, if not why go war. Despite Russia statement of their objective, they say is bluff, to cover their intent that Russia wants to take over ukr......

And they always take what they believe as the truth.... Hence find the new statement as flip prata, but I guess to those who follow this thread, find the Russia narrative being consistent.

 

[Entry Level PC]

so latest development on Azov batallion? rike are they really get decimated?

Unlikely.
Most likely still in Kiev as well.

 

[BioProEng]

yes, should kharkiv, coz the ruskie wanna secure all the easter part and also to link up eastern ukraine with russia + north east linked up with sourthern part.

After Kharkiv would be Odessa, i belib...
To cut off ukraine from sea access... stopping weapons from coming in.

Don't think the weapons came from there. Russia already in control of snake island... Could stop those shipment in if they want.

 

[bakuten]

If the Russians say the goal is to denazify, then how is it possible that the so called nazi elements only exist in the east side of ukraine?

I think more like they giving up.

cuz that's where their enemies are at? why would you place your army at a place that has no threat?

from what i understood, the events leading up to this conflict was that.

RA found that UA was gathering in large numbers in eastern Ukraine.
The assumption is that UA was preparing for an large scale operation against Donetsk and Lugansk.
Hence Russia mobilized it's troops for "training" with Belarus.
Which caused NATO/US to kpkb about invasion coming all that back in mid-Feb.


Once the "training" is over....Russia struck and quickly surrounded that largely unprepared UA.
But then RA also did quite badly in the first week or so. But then we all serve b4.....we all know all the stunts/sh;tty equipment that all start to surface when we really need to use all those things. Pretty sure that's the same for all armies lol.

And here's where we are today.

 

[bakuten]

All the while they believe that Russia wants take over ukraine, if not why go war. Despite Russia statement of their objective, they say is bluff, to cover their intent that Russia wants to take over ukr......

And they always take what they believe as the truth.... Hence find the new statement as flip prata, but I guess to those who follow this thread, find the Russia narrative being consistent.

ya....ppl who followed from Maidan => Minsk => today all know that Russian's have been very consistent and open with their stand.

those emotional conspiracy theorists about this conflict really need to chill.

They need to think of Russia as a cold-logical robot.
then all their actions will make sense.

 

[GoodBetterBest]

Advise people to Ignore people who comes in to do name calling, derail thread to keep this thread alive !
Don't bother to respond to the person. The person will have no effect on the thread.

 

[diablodestroyer]

Interestingly, I don't know how did overruning Ukraine became part of my opinion.

I think you can stop hiding behind the veil because your feigning of innocence is now appearing to be a lack of integrity instead.

Did u even read the article? And did I say it was u? If you didn't even read the article I quoted and just replied on a whim, then obviously you are not getting my entire qn.

Go back and read again

 

[Hiling care]

cuz that's where their enemies are at? why would you place your army at a place that has no threat?

from what i understood, the events leading up to this conflict was that.

RA found that UA was gathering in large numbers in eastern Ukraine.
The assumption is that UA was preparing for an large scale operation against Donetsk and Lugansk.
Hence Russia mobilized it's troops for "training" with Belarus.
Which caused NATO/US to kpkb about invasion coming all that back in mid-Feb.


Once the "training" is over....Russia struck and quickly surrounded that largely unprepared UA.
But then RA also did quite badly in the first week or so. But then we all serve b4.....we all know all the stunts/sh;tty equipment that all start to surface when we really need to use all those things. Pretty sure that's the same for all armies lol.

And here's where we are today.

Russia destroying Nazi Azov Battalion.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...-takes-centre-stage-in-ukraine-propaganda-war
Paris (AFP) – Some call them war heroes, others neo-Nazis: Ukraine's Azov Regiment is at the heart of the propaganda war between Kyiv and Moscow, as Russia claims to seek the "denazification" of Ukraine.

I honestly find it hard to believe that Azov is only at the east side.

It's more like a kind of mindset or way of thinking. This mindset should be all over Ukraine what. How can you "denazify" only an east side when its the whole country that has these groups of people?

I think its more like they are managing expectations cos of constraints.

 

[Bodaiboji]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...upol-15-000-civilians-illegally-deported.html

 

[bakuten]

I honestly find it hard to believe that Azov is only at the east side.

It's more like a kind of mindset or way of thinking. This mindset should be all over Ukraine what. How can you "denazify" only an east side when its the whole country that has these groups of people?

I think its more like they are managing expectations cos of constraints.

of coz they are not only at the east.
but definitely a large large % of them are there.....they like to fight alot....so it is normal to see them near the frontlines.

you gotta understand that UA is not made entirely up of Azov/Aidar type.

 

[BioProEng]

of coz they are not only at the east.
but definitely a large large % of them are there.....they like to fight alot....so it is normal to see them near the frontlines.

you gotta understand that UA is not made entirely up of Azov/Aidar type.

Or can say Russia targeting the particular grp that is doing the shelling and killing since 2014.... Whom should be all stationed at East Side...

 

[Hiling care]

of coz they are not only at the east.
but definitely a large large % of them are there.....they like to fight alot....so it is normal to see them near the frontlines.

you gotta understand that UA is not made entirely up of Azov/Aidar type.

That's why I find it very hard to believe the "denazify" part.

And if they are not even gonna take kyiv, then i think its more like they given up.

How to claim victory if u never take the capital? It will look like a humiliating defeat.

I thought they will at least take kyiv then call it a day.

 

[tiobanned]

Oh is there someone here that is anti Putin? Haven't seen yet maybe u can point me to them ba

Well then let's leave the other people to answer for themselves cause I was still waiting for a date

Since at least the article I quoted showed some Russians giving some dates 11 mins to 40 years I would like to here those concerned with this matter and aware of the Russian media to prove the source wrong or... Admit the source is right

some people posts news that they read
they are neither for nor against, neither for Russia or for Ukraine

just posting as a messenger and to share
if you want to read then read and if not, do skip their posting or even the whole thread altogether, PLEASE

 

[bakuten]

That's why I find it very hard to believe the "denazify" part.

And if they are not even gonna take kyiv, then i think its more like they given up.

How to claim victory if u never take the capital? It will look like a humiliating defeat.

I thought they will at least take kyiv then call it a day.

go back. and read what they said.

it's not about face.

objectives is what is important here.

latest meeting between Ukrainian/Russian already agree upon 4/6 of Russia's demands.

2 remaining are Donbass and Crimea, the current announcement could just be a small concession for Ukraine to accept the remaining 2 demands.


it doesnt matter what we think is humiliating for the Russians if they achieve their demands of Ukraine.
they could care less about our opinions.

your way of thinking is like Zelensky winning the media war but losing the actual war.
you think Russians are humiliated, Russians laugh at you cuz they achieved all 6 of their demands.
Who really won everybody know. just nobody say out loud nia.

take your emotions out, filter out the noise, watch the signals.

 

[BioProEng]

some people posts news that they read
they are neither for nor against, neither for Russia or for Ukraine

just posting as a messenger and to share
if you want to read then read and if not, do skip their posting or even the whole thread altogether, PLEASE

Instead, I think can safely say, some ppl chose a neutral stance to view things objectively, instead of taking sides.....

 

[아지 and 아쁘리앙]

Russia collecting chips to show hand

 

[ctstalin]

UK Home Secretary tio prank call sia by russian pranksters. ​

https://www.rt.com/news/552718-priti-patel-prank-call-russians/

The youtube account for the video kena banned already. Where to watch?

On odysee: https://odysee.com/@SHODAN:b/0ikrky:1

 

[Mechafanboy]

but it's weird.

their objective from the start was to "neutralize" & "de-nazify" Ukraine no?
but we have ppl spewing BS that Russia failed to conquer Ukraine so they have lost. etc
Occupying was never part of their strategy/goals.

1. Russian's main target, AKA Majority of the Azov/Aidar/Banderists were all caught off-guard when they were all gathered in the eastern part of Ukraine when Russia struck. About 160k of them.

2. Mariupol had around 70k last i heard, Kharkiv has another big detachment, with the rest scattered around smaller settlements.

as far as we can see here, Mariupol has fallen, Kharkiv is close to falling, alot of the smaller settlements gg also.
Meaning a large % of these Azov type have been eliminated....so they already achieved a large part of what they have set out to do.


personally, i don't think it will end so soon, earliest is late April or early May.

Also, I maintain my believe that the most likely outcome will end with balkanization of Ukraine like Yugoslavia

Err, yes, anything short of a complete Ukrainian capitulation, is a loss for Russia. U don't start a major war, just to grab some border towns/cities, and call that a win. Russia manufacturing capabilities has deteriorated throughout the decades, they procure new machines at a snail pace, meaning any combat loss is likely to be permanent.

 

[Bodaiboji]

Err, yes, anything short of a complete Ukrainian capitulation, is a loss for Russia. U don't start a major war, just to grab some border towns/cities, and call that a win. Russia manufacturing capabilities has deteriorated throughout the decades, they procure new machines at a snail pace, meaning any combat loss is likely to be permanent.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/08/un-tells-comms-staff-not-to-call-ukraine-conflict-war-or-invasion/amp/