SIMBA Fibre Broadband
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Most likely plain GPON ONT (download up to 2.488Gbps, upload up to 1.244Gbps). Hopefully it is not an ONR.
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I tend to agree with @firesong when he says that most likely it will be using CGNAT for IPv4. Hopefully there will be IPv6 to compensate.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/simba-2-5gb-20-fibre.6883465/page-2#post-146753047
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I wonder if Simba folks are monitoring forums like this 
I'm willing to pay the cost (~$50) for a dedicated IPv4 address.
MyRepublic sells them for a one time cost of $51 which is around the price at APNIC (~US$40) so would love to see Simba doing the same.
Most networks are still not IPv6 ready (ahem SingTel IPv6 RD. basically every ISP except StarHub/M1) so only having IPv6 addresses will be quite bad
Simba currently have a total of 6144 legacy IPv4 addresses, and assume a big chunk of those will be needed for their own internal infra, cgnat gateways, and corporate customers...
see: https://bgp.he.net/AS4817#_asinfo
For comparison, myrepublic have 42,752 and they are still using cgnat:
https://bgp.he.net/AS56300
Getting more will be costly, they won't get an allocation from APNIC and will have to buy them at auction competing against the likes of amazon and microsoft. That doesn't leave many for customers..
You may also find that even if they do offer a static option, it may be costly and may have worse latency because of the way they route it (ie to avoid wasting any addresses). It's also not going to get any cheaper.
In some places, providers charge a lot more - for instance in myanmar the cheapest option is 300USD annually for a public legacy ip,
This is precisely why incumbent providers like singtel drag their feet on ipv6, as it makes things more difficult for new competitors trying to enter the market, as well as severely stifling developing countries.
IPv6 is the only sensible way forward.
The $50 value was based on recent auction data for APNIC IP blocks.
https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales
SingTel also isn't the one having a bad IPv6 implementation, MR, VQ and WC all have basically nonexistent IPv6. Only StarHub, M1 and Simba have native DS IPv6.
The $50 is based on buying a block, assuming that blocks are available, demand can push the price higher.
They then also have to offer both a cgnat and non cgnat data path, and probably take measures to avoid wasting any addresses (eg assigning a block to a node which has less users than the block size, or fragmentation preventing them decreasing the block size etc).
Having more legacy address space also increases your annual fees with APNIC.
This price isn't going to go down so long as there are users stuck on legacy IP out there.
A lot of never ISPs actually implement legacy IP over a tunnel (basically the opposite of 6rd) with a native IPv6 core, sky italy gave a presentation a while ago of their setup.
Yes the situation in SG is poor. Malaysia, India, Thailand and even Myanmar are much further ahead with IPv6 rollout.
Problem is that those countries don't have enough IPv4 blocks because their internet developed later, so they are far ahead in IPv6 adoption. It's all those countries which had a strong internet economy before 2010 which are slower to adopt IPv6.
Not entirely...
Germany, USA, Belgium, France also have high IPv6 adoption, while most countries in Africa have very low IPv6 deployment, Laos and Cambodia are the countries in Asia which lag behind the most.
In the US for instance every mobile operator and most of the major fixed line providers have native IPv6 enabled by default. Being such a large country and an early adopter of telecoms, there are a LOT of users in the country still using ADSL or even dialup.
But yes, without IPv6 all of the developing countries will be held back even further.
from Simba's investor briefing this morning.
In text:
• Low CAPEX model leveraging Singapore’s NBN and existing SIMBA service infrastructure.
• >95% residential penetration. Targeting ~1.5M homes.
• Target availability end FY23
That's all the information for now. Target end FY23. Their FY is from 1 Aug to 31 July. So we're looking at a mid-year launch hopefully.
In text:
• Low CAPEX model leveraging Singapore’s NBN and existing SIMBA service infrastructure.
• >95% residential penetration. Targeting ~1.5M homes.
• Target availability end FY23
That's all the information for now. Target end FY23. Their FY is from 1 Aug to 31 July. So we're looking at a mid-year launch hopefully.
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interestingly points 1 and 2 apply to all the existing players, so no reason why they could not drop prices
while Simba could be entering with low price, then up price over time, one could also point to their 100GB mobile package going from promo to a permanent package. I may jump on as a guinea pig.
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I think we can expect CGNAT for IPv4 + a routed /64 IPv6 subnet for $20/mth.
Sounds like they are trying to minimise cost; probably wouldn't be any changes to their existing tier 1 upstream and no public static IP add on.
Sounds like they are trying to minimise cost; probably wouldn't be any changes to their existing tier 1 upstream and no public static IP add on.
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