New 10Gbps/5Gbps/6Gbps/3Gbps XGS-PON based plans

[hwzlite]

Maybe it's because I'm not on static IP so there's another layer (CGNAT) to deal with since experienced lag when using VOIP apps like Zoom etc.

Hmmmm..... if you happens to test Ookla again , can first run the old school continuous ping , example:
"ping -t www.google.com" , then run Ookla test and observe any obvious ping spike during the test.

Or even better with PingPlotter graphing view , set Interval to 1sec or less , example targeting MS Teams server

 

[Henry Ng]

Called again a few days after installation, unfortunately I got connected to Singtel's most useless agent. He clearly had very little technical knowledge and was more interested in why I wanted bridge mode rather than fulfilling my request. He was also a know-it-all and proclaimed that it is technically impossible to configure bridge mode for all plans except the 1+1 Gamer Plan because "it had to be done at the factory when the ONRs are made"


Regardless, I've found the menu option to switch from full ONR to Hybrid and full ONT mode in the ZTE F8648P. Only issue is that it will force a factory reset of the ONR and you will need Singtel's config details, (the default config appears to be outdated).

Will be calling Singtel again for the config details. Hope I don't get another useless agent.

Ahh ahh. Many years ago i left Singtel and go for other ISP because of its poor technical support and today i am surprise to read that till today it is still the same.

 

[Henry Ng]

You never read the post properly. The speed drop is due to the waveform.com server which can not cope with 10Gbps at all.

i see so it is the speed test server can not support 10Gbps.

 

[TanRich]

Hmmmm..... if you happens to test Ookla again , can first run the old school continuous ping , example:
"ping -t www.google.com" , then run Ookla test and observe any obvious ping spike during the test.

Or even better with PingPlotter graphing view , set Interval to 1sec or less , example targeting MS Teams server

I used PingPlotter, set interval to 1 sec and targeting Google server.

Seems there were quite a few ping spikes at or above 10ms during the testing period.

 

[TanRich]

Called again a few days after installation, unfortunately I got connected to Singtel's most useless agent. He clearly had very little technical knowledge and was more interested in why I wanted bridge mode rather than fulfilling my request. He was also a know-it-all and proclaimed that it is technically impossible to configure bridge mode for all plans except the 1+1 Gamer Plan because "it had to be done at the factory when the ONRs are made"


Regardless, I've found the menu option to switch from full ONR to Hybrid and full ONT mode in the ZTE F8648P. Only issue is that it will force a factory reset of the ONR and you will need Singtel's config details, (the default config appears to be outdated).

Will be calling Singtel again for the config details. Hope I don't get another useless agent.

I'd actually gone to ask ST early-Jan whether they could bridge the ONR for their old 10Gbps d/l-2.5Gbps u/l plan as well and they called up their technical side to confirm before telling me that they could do it. But my SH plan wasn't up yet so I waited. Two months later, when my SH plan was nearly up, I went to reconfirm with ST on the ONR bridging and they told me they couldn't do it with the new XGS-PON 10Gbps u/l 10Gbps d/l plan that had replaced the old plan. Don't understand why they changed the ONR bridging policy for the 10Gbps plan but still kept it for the 1 + 1 Gamer plan.

 

[TanRich]

I'd actually gone to ask ST early-Jan whether they could bridge the ONR for their old 10Gbps d/l-2.5Gbps u/l plan as well and they called up their technical side to confirm before telling me that they could do it. But my SH plan wasn't up yet so I waited. Two months later, when my SH plan was nearly up, I went to reconfirm with ST on the ONR bridging and they told me they couldn't do it with the new XGS-PON 10Gbps u/l 10Gbps d/l plan that had replaced the old plan. Don't understand why they changed the ONR bridging policy for the 10Gbps plan but still kept it for the 1 + 1 Gamer plan.

Same thing as to why SH only uses ONR for their HyperSpeed plan and ONT for the rest of their 1Gbps or 2Gbps plans.

After terminating their Ultraspeed plan, I wrote a long email explaining to them that the target audience for 10Gbps broadband will most likely be Power Users who will want to build their home network from scratch. So having an ONR would definitely be a huge turn off to this group of users as it basically restricts what type of networking equipment they can use and the way they can customise it to their individual preferences. Hence, this move would essentially hamper the government's initiative to upgrade the nationwide fibre broadband speed to 10Gbps as the early adopters aka Power Users will not be willing to sign up with these limitations.

All they gave me was a generic apology reply and that they will strive to improve their offerings for the service.

 

[xiaofan]

Same thing as to why SH only uses ONR for their HyperSpeed plan and ONT for the rest of their 1Gbps or 2Gbps plans.

Starhub might have a reason now. Their TP-Link Archer AXE300 units are out of stock (so-called "UltraSpeed WITH TP-LINK ARCHER ROUTER" plan). Aparently this is more popular option as the top-up is only at S$7/mth x 24mth = S$168.

So they are promoting the Nokia all-in-one XGS-PON ONR with built-in WiFi 6 function (so-called "UltraSpeed ALL IN BUNDLE" plan).

But I guess this is not a good reason...

Reference from Starhub:
https://www.starhub.com/personal/broadband/ultraspeed.html

 

[xiaofan]

I'd actually gone to ask ST early-Jan whether they could bridge the ONR for their old 10Gbps d/l-2.5Gbps u/l plan as well and they called up their technical side to confirm before telling me that they could do it. But my SH plan wasn't up yet so I waited. Two months later, when my SH plan was nearly up, I went to reconfirm with ST on the ONR bridging and they told me they couldn't do it with the new XGS-PON 10Gbps u/l 10Gbps d/l plan that had replaced the old plan. Don't understand why they changed the ONR bridging policy for the 10Gbps plan but still kept it for the 1 + 1 Gamer plan.

I tend to believe Singtel will allow the bridging of the ZTE XGS-PON ONR in the end, based on the report here.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...e-on-current-firmware.6952011/#post-149487648

the above page actually need to login to ONR CLI to change the ONR area code to enable, then even if select the bridge mode, also cannot see what's the difference with WAN TR069 settings, already lazy to try...
after confirmed with Singtel Engineer, he told me they already test the first ver firmware to with Bridge Mode, so in future will release to push down upgrade, just wait maybe 2 - 3 months

 

[TanRich]

Starhub might have a reason now. Their TP-Link Archer AXE300 units are out of stock (so-called "UltraSpeed WITH TP-LINK ARCHER ROUTER" plan). Aparently this is more popular option as the top-up is only at S$7/mth x 24mth = S$168.

So they are promoting the Nokia all-in-one XGS-PON ONR with built-in WiFi 6 function (so-called "UltraSpeed ALL IN BUNDLE" plan).

But I guess this is not a good reason...

Reference from Starhub:
https://www.starhub.com/personal/broadband/ultraspeed.html

I suspect the MR HyperSpeed and Gamer plans are a move to address this concern, different market segmentation. As SH owns MR, either way ONR or ONT, they still get the revenue, very smart business strategy.

 

[TanRich]

I tend to believe Singtel will allow the bridging of the ZTE XGS-PON ONR in the end, based on the report here.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...e-on-current-firmware.6952011/#post-149487648

From a business perspective, they should just offer bridging/non-bridging option at the forefront before you sign the contract. So the network-savvy crowd can opt for the former while those less certain of their networking prowess can choose the latter. Consumers love to have more choices, or at least the perception of having more choices.

 

[limcc]

My MR HyperSpeed installation is 2 days later, since this would be my first ever taste of 10Gbps, I have no device that could reach that speed. Was hunting high and low for an affordable 10Gbe PCIe x4 network card that could support 10/5/2.5Gbps speed. Looks like only Asus, TP-Link and Trendnet meet my requirement, guess they are more or less the same with Marvell AQC107 controller.

Amazon.sg had these for $120+, carousell had almost no used for sale. (a couple used did fall below $100 but both seller have attitute problem, lol) Today I finally see the TP-Link TX401 at $81, sold be Amazon Japan.

Anything I need to beware of or any better card? Not going for SPF+, cheap and simple ethernet only.

 

[xiaofan]

From a business perspective, they should just offer bridging/non-bridging option at the forefront before you sign the contract. So the network-savvy crowd can opt for the former while those less certain of their networking prowess can choose the latter. Consumers love to have more choices, or at least the perception of having more choices.

I agree.

They may want to learn from Whizcomms where they allow the user to opt to configure the WC ONR to ONT mode free of charge if the request is before the ONT installation date. Default is still ONR mode.

 

[astones153]

I suspect the MR HyperSpeed and Gamer plans are a move to address this concern, different market segmentation. As SH owns MR, either way ONR or ONT, they still get the revenue, very smart business strategy.

The problem is that MR has no IPv6 connectivity for the "power users", in spite of being owned by SH who has functioning IPv6 Dual stack.

 

[TanRich]

My MR HyperSpeed installation is 2 days later, since this would be my first ever taste of 10Gbps, I have no device that could reach that speed. Was hunting high and low for an affordable 10Gbe PCIe x4 network card that could support 10/5/2.5Gbps speed. Looks like only Asus, TP-Link and Trendnet meet my requirement, guess they are more or less the same with Marvell AQC107 controller.

Amazon.sg had these for $120+, carousell had almost no used for sale. (a couple used did fall below $100 but both seller have attitute problem, lol) Today I finally see the TP-Link TX401 at $81, sold be Amazon Japan.

Anything I need to beware of or any better card? Not going for SPF+, cheap and simple ethernet only.

Looks like your TP-Link option is the cheapest in the market. Good deal given that all 10Gbe networking gear have gone up in price so much...

 

[TanRich]

The problem is that MR has no IPv6 connectivity for the "power users", in spite of being owned by SH who has functioning IPv6 Dual stack.

I guess that's why most MR "power users" opt for Static IP to 'circumvent' the issue?

 

[xiaofan]

I guess that's why most MR "power users" opt for Static IP to 'circumvent' the issue?

Static IPv4 add-on is to deal with CGNAT issue, not really a workaround for lack of IPv6 support.

 

[TanRich]

I agree.

They may want to learn from Whizcomms where they allow the user to opt to configure the WC ONR to ONT mode free of charge if the request is before the ONT installation date. Default is still ONR mode.

Exactly, I think VQ has the same option too.

 

[TanRich]

Static IPv4 add-on is to deal with CGNAT issue, not really a workaround for lack of IPv6 support.

True. And CGNAT is a stopgap measure to deal with IPv4 addresses running out because a majority of the networking industry is unwilling to pay the costs of migrating to IPv6. From the little I know, IPv6 isn't fully backward compatible with IPv4 and therein lies the problem. Chicken or the egg.

 

[hwzlite]

I used PingPlotter, set interval to 1 sec and targeting Google server.

Seems there were quite a few ping spikes at or above 10ms during the testing period.

Looks good with ‘acceptable’ +5ms jitter tolerance for real-time application.

 

[Mach3.2]

My MR HyperSpeed installation is 2 days later, since this would be my first ever taste of 10Gbps, I have no device that could reach that speed. Was hunting high and low for an affordable 10Gbe PCIe x4 network card that could support 10/5/2.5Gbps speed. Looks like only Asus, TP-Link and Trendnet meet my requirement, guess they are more or less the same with Marvell AQC107 controller.

Amazon.sg had these for $120+, carousell had almost no used for sale. (a couple used did fall below $100 but both seller have attitute problem, lol) Today I finally see the TP-Link TX401 at $81, sold be Amazon Japan.

Anything I need to beware of or any better card? Not going for SPF+, cheap and simple ethernet only.

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a21n57.1.0.0.619f523c0ywzvZ&id=652560110596

This is $10, buy the one with fan because the X540 runs hot.

No NBASE-T support though, but if you need just 10GBASE-T this is pretty hard to beat.