New 10Gbps/5Gbps/6Gbps/3Gbps XGS-PON based plans

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I've had similar problems in the first week or so of use on MR. I don't think it's them limiting the speed. After the period, speeds for me stabilised at around 8.3Gbps/8.3Gbps whenever I conduct speed tests with the RT-BE96U or RT-AX89X. As mentioned earlier, XGS-PON users in California complained on Dong Knows Tech's 10Gbps ethernet comments page about the same issues you faced in the first week or so after getting the service. So it's not just an MR issue, more like an XGS-PON limitation. Dong Ngo's speed tests also indicated max u/l and d/l speeds of what I and other bros on this thread posted at around 8.3 Gbps u/l and d/l. As a comparison, SI/VQ's 10G Active Optical Ethernet speed tests are able to hit 9.3-9.4 Gbps u/l and d/l. But considering the more than 3X difference in monthly subscription paid between both services, MR's XGS-PON is good enough for the price IMHO.
Actually I'm not too concern about not having over 3000Mbps of upload but the unstable connection. Even until now, it still won't connect back to AX6K pri WAN, how unstable can a internet connection get? Its their DHCP server, how could that even happen, disappointed.
 

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Actually I'm not too concern about not having over 3000Mbps of upload but the unstable connection. Even until now, it still won't connect back to AX6K pri WAN, how unstable can a internet connection get? Its their DHCP server, how could that even happen, disappointed.
Did you try MR tech support? I know their technical expertise level has gone down ever since they got bought by SH but would be still be good to highlight to them the issues so that they can improve the service. I'll be doing that tomorrow as the quality of my VOIP calls is still laggy despite the improved ethernet speed test results.
 

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Did you try MR tech support? I know their technical expertise level has gone down ever since they got bought by SH but would be still be good to highlight to them the issues so that they can improve the service. I'll be doing that tomorrow as the quality of my VOIP calls is still laggy despite the improved ethernet speed test results.
Its weekend, I don't think they are working. The connection at last came back on this afternoon, more than 12 hours after last night. Right before I was going to change back to AXE300. All connectios were the same as last night, just restart the ONT. It used to went down for some tens of minutes, only came back up after numerous restart of the ONT, but that didn't work last night.

Its obviously MR side that causing these disconnections, sometime it shown connected but no internet access--router shown "Cold Standby", as oppose to "Hot standby"--ready to take over when the other WAN is down. I had used MR 1Gbps back in early and mid 2010s, never had such issue.

My take is do not use MR hyperspeed as your only internet connection, use a backup. I will call MR to see if I can cancel the service since it can't even maintain stable connection, a shame in 2020's.

Edited: 2320hrs, it went down again, can't even maintain connection for 10Hours, what more can I say?
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Hi, can I bypass the telco ONR and connect the optical fiber directly to the SFP+ module on my router?
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Hi, can I bypass the telco ONR and connect the optical fiber directly to the SFP+ module on my router?
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You can't because they use different network configurations. If your ISP provides you an ONR (ST?) that means it is operating on a Passive Optical Network, meaning the optical fibre resources are shared with multiple users using passive optical splitters. So the ONR/ONT is needed to convert the optical signal to copper and electrical signals that go to your router or access point. At the moment only SI/VQ is using active optical networking where they provide point-to-point fibre broadband from a single transmitter (LR SFP+ module) to a single receiver (LR SFP+ module). With this configuration then you can connect the optical patch cord from your Fibre Termination Point (FTP) to an SFP+ module (ISP provided) that plugs directly into your router's SFP+ port. Unfortunately, SI has transferred its existing fibre broadband subscribers to VQ and VQ is not providing any new 10Gbps plans at the moment.
 
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Hi, can I bypass the telco ONR and connect the optical fiber directly to the SFP+ module on my router?
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Maybe. There are configurable XGS-PON modules being sold for a few hundred dollars online, but nobody in SG has documented trying one so you're on your own if you do buy one.

Next challenge will be to extract the secrets from your existing ONR assuming you found a compatible XGS-PON SFP+ module.
 

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You can't because they use different network configurations. If your ISP provides you an ONR (ST?) that means it is operating a Passive Optical Network, meaning the optical fibre resources are shared with multiple users using passive optical splitters. So the ONR/ONT is needed to convert the optical signal to copper and electrical signals that go to your router or access point. At the moment only SI/VQ is using active optical networking where they provide point-to-point fibre broadband from a single transmitter (LR SFP+ module) to a single receiver (LR SFP+ module). With this configuration then you can connect the optical patch cable from your Fibre Termination Point (FTP) to an SFP+ module (ISP provided) that plugs directly into your router's SFP+ port. Unfortunately, SI has transferred its existing fibre broadband subscribers to VQ and VQ is not providing any new 10Gbps plans at the moment.
When you mention SI/VQ, I'm guessing you're referring to SuperInternet and ViewQuest? I wanted to go with SuperInternet for their 10gbps but unfortunately, they don't even support residential anymore. As for ViewQuest they don't even have 10gbps (for now).
 

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Maybe. There are configurable XGS-PON modules being sold for a few hundred dollars online, but nobody in SG has documented trying one so you're on your own if you do buy one.

Next challenge will be to extract the secrets from your existing ONR assuming you found a compatible XGS-PON SFP+ module.
If interested, FS does sell XGS-PON transceivers, but will have to do your homework to see what works. Their tech support is quite knowledgeable as they mostly serve enterprise customers. I bought my SFP+ 10GBaseT Copper RJ45 modules, 10GBase-SR SFP+ modules and 10GBaseT to SFP+ media converter from them. Even SI/VQ's provided 10GBase-LR SFP+ module is a custom configured one from FS.

https://www.fs.com/sg/c/wireless-access-2845
 

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Not sure if this is the right place to post this. Using MR10Gbps plan and connected my desktop to the router via the ethernet cable. Everything works fine except when I try to play online games like apex legends or valorant. The game lags like crazy or doesn't load at all. Anyone can suggest a fix?
 

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Not sure if this is the right place to post this. Using MR10Gbps plan and connected my desktop to the router via the ethernet cable. Everything works fine except when I try to play online games like apex legends or valorant. The game lags like crazy or doesn't load at all. Anyone can suggest a fix?
Recently been lagging/hanging a lot for Apex too, not sure its MR or Apex server.
 

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Recently been lagging/hanging a lot for Apex too, not sure its MR or Apex server.
I'd run a constant ping and check for spikes. Also if you've just installed a new 10g nic, update the drivers although it seems to "work" fine.

I'm using MR 10gbps gamer plan, 0 issues.

Edit: If hanging or the game just doesn't load at all, that doesn't sound like network issue.
 
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I'd run a constant ping and check for spikes. Also if you've just installed a new 10g nic, update the drivers although it seems to "work" fine.

I'm using MR 10gbps gamer plan, 0 issues.

Edit: If hanging or the game just doesn't load at all, that doesn't sound like network issue.
yeah, recently just started so not sure what's happening.
All's updated though, so might be server issue since it occurs randomly.
Also, HWZ loads slow compared to instantaneous previously.
 

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Starhub might have a reason now. Their TP-Link Archer AXE300 units are out of stock (so-called "UltraSpeed WITH TP-LINK ARCHER ROUTER" plan). Aparently this is more popular option as the top-up is only at S$7/mth x 24mth = S$168.

So they are promoting the Nokia all-in-one XGS-PON ONR with built-in WiFi 6 function (so-called "UltraSpeed ALL IN BUNDLE" plan).

But I guess this is not a good reason...

Reference from Starhub:
https://www.starhub.com/personal/broadband/ultraspeed.html

hi xiaofan you mean if select the tplink router, SH will config the onr in bridge mode? Actually why isp use onr again with 10g plan? Why cannot stick with ont?

SH strength is they also provide BPL football :o
 

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hi xiaofan you mean if select the tplink router, SH will config the onr in bridge mode? Actually why isp use onr again with 10g plan? Why cannot stick with ont?

SH strength is they also provide BPL football :o

No, I do not think so, it seems to be using a different Nokia ONR without WiFi 6 and then you can top up for the TP-Link Archer AXE300 at a very good price. But please confirm with Starhub. Or hopefully some one who just subcribed to the Starthub 10Gbps trial (UltraSpeed 10GBPS TP-LINK ROUTER option) can chime in and confirm.

For Singtel they want to control -- so it is understandable they provide ONR. Let's see if they indeed are developing new FW for the bridging and then allow bridging in a few months time.

For Starhub, I am not so sure why they decide to provide only ONR option.

MR is the only one which provide XGS-PON ONT now.
 

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I’m using a UniFi UDM Pro as a gateway which has 10G SFP+ ports.
Note: For the UDM Pro, will need to turn off IDS/IPS to enable full 10Gbps throughput, else will be limited to ~3.5Gbps ingress. No impact to egress speeds. And accordingly set MTU 9,000 and jumbo frames if needed.

Backend with UniFi 8-Port POE switches for cameras and wireless APs.
Waiting for the hardware support and firmware updates before upgrading to 10/25/40G switches (e.g. Unifi Enterprise XG-24)

I'm using on-demand WireGuard for my devices on external networks to connect internally. MR Static-IP is definitely a plus point. Would probably terminate my SingTel services (except mobile) after this.

Some example use cases:
1) NAS cloud backup throughput for 8 bay RAID0 HDD is typically ~100MB/s * 8 = ~800MB/s = ~6.4Gbps
Assuming you have a cloud backup provider with a local edge location supporting 10Gbps speeds.
Or using a Site-to-Site VPN with 10G ISPs for multi-NAS backup.
2) Server workloads depending on ur download/upload tasks.
Which ISP you subscribe too? StarHub or MR? I planned to use dream machine second edition but it was stated in StarHub/MR website that the line only can work with their assigned router. So this is not true and it will work with others router? Do we need to set vlan or any configuration on unifi wan port? Then ont to unifi is RJ45 or fiber?

Thanks!!
 

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Which ISP you subscribe too? StarHub or MR? I planned to use dream machine second edition but it was stated in StarHub/MR website that the line only can work with their assigned router. So this is not true and it will work with others router? Do we need to set vlan or any configuration on unifi wan port? Then ont to unifi is RJ45 or fiber?

Thanks!!

MR. You can refer to the following post by Shake.Query.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...republic-and-vq.6930337/page-9#post-149008776

MR is using ONT so you can use your own router without resorting to Double NAT. As of now, only MR is using ONT for its 10Gbps plans. Starhub and Singtel are using ONR for their 10Gbps plans.
 

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Based on those attended TP-Link Wifi 7 Event. Singtel might be pairing their Wifi-7 routers with the 10Gbps plan.
 

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This is worth considering for those who likes to tinker...



Pro :
  • Comes with 4 x 1G ports + 2 x 10Gb ports out of the box.
  • Decent Wifi 6 ax 3600mbps
  • Out of the box Qnap Router OS UI that comes with features rich functions (vlan, dual wan load balancing, inbuild VPN client and server options - even have wireguard server built in oob)
  • Dual boot option (shop will flash for you - I actually did it myself using the youtube video below)
  • OpenWRT will give you additional 2 x 2.5G ports with USB network adapters and Wifi is still available !
  • Op options allow you to also run Dockers etc.

Cons :
  • No local warranty if buy from Taobao link (but for that price, i doubt you can get anything close)
  • Those who want to flash OpenWrt themselves may need to know basic linux operations. eg switching between QnapRouter OS and OpenWrt require simple ssh login and command)
  • Only limited to OpenWrt now, not for those who are into Pfsense since its non X86.
  • Using out-of-the-box Qnap Router OS doesnt allow you to install additional stuffs.

Where to buy
Taobao link : https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.27032e8dMrxYZY&id=719464074304&_u=nmhu59c7237

Price : 1299CNY , with shipping and taxes will be around $280 SGD door t0 door
Even if you aren't the Op option that gives you additional flexibility, SGD $280 for this router is a steal to me.

For those who already owns Qhora-301W , you can also do it yourself following the video below

 
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This is worth considering for those who likes to tinker...



Pro :
  • Comes with 4 x 1G ports + 2 x 10Gb ports out of the box.
  • Decent Wifi 6 ax 3000mbps
  • Out of the box Qnap Router OS UI that comes with features rich functions (vlan, dual wan load balancing, inbuild VPN client and server options - even have wireguard server built in oob)
  • Dual boot option (shop will flash for you - I actually did it myself using the youtube video below)
  • OpenWRT will give you additional 2 x 2.5G ports with USB network adapters and Wifi is still available !
  • Op options allow you to also run Dockers etc.

Cons :
  • No local warranty if buy from Taobao link (but for that price, i doubt you can get anything close)
  • Those who want to flash OpenWrt themselves may need to know basic linux operations. eg switching between QnapRouter OS and OpenWrt require simple ssh login and command)
  • Only limited to OpenWrt now, not for those who are into Pfsense since its non X86.
  • Using out-of-the-box Qnap Router OS doesnt allow you to install additional stuffs.

Where to buy
Taobao link : https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.27032e8dMrxYZY&id=719464074304&_u=nmhu59c7237

Price : 1299CNY , with shipping and taxes will be around $280 SGD door t0 door
Even if you aren't the Op option that gives you additional flexibility, SGD $280 for this router is a steal to me.

For those who already owns Qhora-301W , you can also do it yourself following the video below


Nobody actually tried to route 10Gig on this router ah? A cursory search turned up 0 benchmarking results. 🤔
 
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