Asus WiFi 7 and WiFi 6E routers

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ROG Rapture GT-AX6000 got this router.

Yesterday did a update to latest firmware and reboot.

Now it is only showing power LED and the red logo light.
Is this brick or dead?
Tried to do a reset and also hard reset nothing seem to work.

Any ideas anyone?

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ROG Rapture GT-AX6000 got this router.

Yesterday did a update to latest firmware and reboot.

Now it is only showing power LED and the red logo light.
Is this brick or dead?
Tried to do a reset and also hard reset nothing seem to work.

Any ideas anyone?

:(

Asus has three years HW warranty for local version, so you can get Asus to help.

But you can also try alternative hard reset to see if that helps. Usually Asus router will not die because of failed firmware updates.
[Wireless Router] ASUS router Hard Factory Reset - Method 2
https://www.asus.com/sg/support/faq/1039078/
 

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Asus has three years HW warranty for local version, so you can get Asus to help.

But you can also try alternative hard reset to see if that helps. Usually Asus router will not die because of failed firmware updates.
[Wireless Router] ASUS router Hard Factory Reset - Method 2
https://www.asus.com/sg/support/faq/1039078/

Tried this method, the power LED does not turn off despite holding on to the WPS for a long while. :(
 

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Dongknows news:
https://dongknows.com/asus-wi-fi-7-hardware-expanded-significantly/#more-112009

Asus will release global version of RT-BE88U, TUF-BE6500 and TUF-BE3600 dual band WiFi 7 routers (no 6GHz). But I am not so sure whether they will bring them in Singapore or not. Another model is RT-BE58U.

Asus will also release triband (with 6GHz band) RT-BE95U and GT-BE19000 (gaming version of RT-BE96U). Triband ZenWiFI BT10 BE18000 will also be released.
 

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Two recent reviews of Asus TUF-BE6500 in this forum, one positive review and one bad review (2.4GHz WiFi not working after one month).

But there seems to be no high CPU usage issue with wireless speedtest.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/wifi-7-routers.6905228/page-35
I got the Asus TUF BE6500 liao... Bought from cn taobao and hand carry back..

Used for 2 days since..
I am only on starhub 500mbps so that's what I've.... But I got a wifi 7 enabled phone...

Better range and handling of multiple devices. I got about 12smart home stuffs connected to it but not all the time. Got 6 to 7 mobile devices or laptops too also not all running all the time. CPU utilisation seems reasonable to me based on my layman's opinion and also the heat generate seems ok too.

This is a vast upgrade for me from those free Linksys given by starhub years ago...


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I had this for less than a month. The 2.4G radio just died today. Able to connect but unable to even reach the config page. 5G works fine though.

Contacted the customer service and they are asking me to ship it back for an exchange.. Not sure if I will follow through.
 
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Chinese Youtuber recommendation for Asus routers for 6.18 Sale Year 2024 -- two WiFi 6 royters and 3 China WiFi 7 routers (no 6GHz band).

Asus TUF-BE3600
Asus TX-AX6000 WiFi 6 (China version of TUF-AX6000)
Asus TUF-BE6500
Asus RT-AX86U Pro WiFi 6
Asus RT-BE88U
 

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Two recent reviews of Asus TUF-BE6500 in this forum, one good review and one bad review (2.4GHz WiFi not working after one month).

But there seems to be no high CPU usage issue with wireless speedtest.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/wifi-7-routers.6905228/page-35
Err... I only been using it for a few days. Can't say for sure it's good as I am only a novice home user. Speed is definitely fast though and handling of multiple devices is better(rough feel from start up to connection of all devices) and speed is as fast as my 500mbps can provide.

Externally, the build quality seems good and solid sturdy not like other plasticky, hollow and creaky box.

Software and firmware I think it leaves more to be desire.. it is a new products anyway. High CPU or not, at least up till now there isnt any abnormalities and the heat generated is ok ok too.

Then for these new BE standards wifi7 routers.. those MLO, smart dual band etc don't know if they are working as they claimed.

Just hope that it doesn't breakdown like the fellow user here too.
 

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Just quickly setup Asus TUF-6500 behind a pfSense installation (Double NAT) for testing purpose.

Some quick findings.
1) English FW available

2) Very much similar UI like the other Asus routers like my RT-AX86U. No adavanced functions like VLAN and Guset Netoworking Pro (seems to be only available for high end WiFi 6/6E/7 models using BCM4912 and BCM4916 CPU)

3) Singtel VLAN profile available (can be used by Singtel ONT users)

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4) By default Smart Connect (Band Steering, same SSID for 2.4GHz and 5GHz) will be turned on and the default encryption method will be WPA3-personal.

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5) Automatically create an IoT wireless Guest Network to cater for devices which may have issues with WPA-3 encryption. More guest networks can be created.

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Edit to add more info based on later findings
6) Missing feature -- only China and Australia region in Wireless Profession region settings
7) Missing feature -- no Asus Instant Guard VPN server support as of now. Work-around is to use Wireguard or IPsec or OpenVPN VPN server.
 
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One issue found -- as of now, wireless profession tab -- region:
Only China and Australia are avialble, no Asia region settings.

Good thing is that indeed no high CPU load issues during wireless speedtest. Maybe acwifi.net author was using an old FW version. I am using the latest Firmware Version:3.0.0.6.102_55084.

Using China region, CH44, 160MHz channel bandwidth
Wireless Internet speedtest (Singtel 1Gbps, Acer Windows 11 laptop 2021 model with Intel AX201 WiFi 6 adapter).

Bash:
PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     3.44 ms   (jitter: 1.69ms, low: 2.88ms, high: 6.31ms)
    Download:   762.65 Mbps (data used: 654.0 MB)
                  6.90 ms   (jitter: 2.41ms, low: 3.19ms, high: 17.38ms)
      Upload:   754.94 Mbps (data used: 1.3 GB)
                 22.74 ms   (jitter: 8.43ms, low: 6.28ms, high: 78.15ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/7c3d4873-bca0-45ef-873d-d19e36c5ef32
 
  PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     6.99 ms   (jitter: 46.51ms, low: 4.21ms, high: 99.38ms)
    Download:   690.05 Mbps (data used: 423.6 MB)
                  7.82 ms   (jitter: 2.88ms, low: 4.24ms, high: 14.13ms)
      Upload:   675.81 Mbps (data used: 866.5 MB)
                 23.97 ms   (jitter: 7.72ms, low: 8.16ms, high: 98.14ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/45645990-6f51-44da-b947-b589ccf90ab5
 

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Qualcomm IPQ5322 CPU used in TUF-6500 may be even a bit faster than the Broadcom BCM4908 CPU used in my Asus RT-AX86U as it can run OOkla Speedtest CLI client fine with 1Gbps Fibre Internet.

Bash:
/tmp/mnt/TUF6500# ./speedtest -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     1.37 ms   (jitter: 0.06ms, low: 1.26ms, high: 1.41ms)
    Download:   934.40 Mbps (data used: 444.9 MB)
                  2.88 ms   (jitter: 0.42ms, low: 1.33ms, high: 3.63ms)
      Upload:   938.26 Mbps (data used: 1.1 GB)
                  2.92 ms   (jitter: 0.52ms, low: 1.85ms, high: 11.23ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/6aece07a-b533-449c-9c10-181258676622

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One of the reason I like about Asus is that SSH is built-in the firmware and you can enable it easily.

Then you can install Entware and make the router like a mini Linux machine if you like. You just need to format a USB drive with ext4 filesystem under Linux. The instruction below is not exactly right for TUF-6500 but you can use it as a reference.
https://github.com/Entware/Entware/wiki/Install-on-Asus-stock-firmware

My steps:
Bash:
   2 mkdir /tmp/opt
   3 mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/opt
   4 cd /tmp/opt/
   7 wget -O - http://bin.entware.net/aarch64-k3.10/installer/generic.sh | sh
   9 opkg update
  10 opkg install nano mtr iperf3 iperf htop
  11 opkg install tcpdump
  13 cd root/
  16 wget https://install.speedtest.net/app/cli/ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-linux-aarch64.tgz
  17 tar zxvf ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-linux-aarch64.tgz
  18 ./speedtest -s 13623
  23 opkg install bind-dig
  25 opkg list-installed

/tmp/opt/root# opkg list-installed
bind-dig - 9.18.19-1
bind-libs - 9.18.19-1
entware-opt - 227000-3
entware-release - 2024.02-1
entware-upgrade - 1.0-1
findutils - 4.9.0-1a
grep - 3.11-1
htop - 3.3.0-1
iperf - 2.1.9-1
iperf3 - 3.16-1
jansson - 2.14-3
libatomic - 8.4.0-11
libbz2 - 1.0.8-1a
libc - 2.27-11
libgcc - 8.4.0-11
libiperf3 - 3.16-1
liblzma - 5.4.6-1
libmagic - 5.44-1
libncurses - 6.4-2a
libncursesw - 6.4-2a
libnghttp2 - 1.57.0-1
libopenssl - 3.0.13-1
libpcap - 1.10.4-1
libpcre2 - 10.42-1
libpthread - 2.27-11
librt - 2.27-11
libssp - 8.4.0-11
libstdcpp - 8.4.0-11
libuv - 1.45.0-3
locales - 2.27-9
mtr-json - 0.95-3
nano - 7.2-3
opkg - 2022-02-24-d038e5b6-2
tcpdump - 4.99.4-1
terminfo - 6.4-2a
zlib - 1.3.1-1
zoneinfo-asia - 2024a-1
zoneinfo-core - 2024a-1
zoneinfo-europe - 2024a-1
 

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Simple CPU performance testing (not yet complete)

Reference from OpenWRT thread.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/openwrt-router-firmware.5967482/page-28#post-152537890

Bash:
xiaofan@TUF_6500-5020:/tmp/opt/root#  iperf3 -s -D && iperf3 -c 127.0.0.1
Connecting to host 127.0.0.1, port 5201
[  4] local 127.0.0.1 port 32976 connected to 127.0.0.1 port 5201
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth       Retr  Cwnd
[  4]   0.00-1.00   sec   676 MBytes  5.67 Gbits/sec    0   1.75 MBytes       
[  4]   1.00-2.00   sec   663 MBytes  5.57 Gbits/sec    0   1.75 MBytes       
[  4]   2.00-3.00   sec   682 MBytes  5.72 Gbits/sec    0   1.75 MBytes       
[  4]   3.00-4.00   sec   685 MBytes  5.75 Gbits/sec    0   1.75 MBytes       
[  4]   4.00-5.00   sec   679 MBytes  5.70 Gbits/sec    0   1.75 MBytes       
[  4]   5.00-6.00   sec   679 MBytes  5.69 Gbits/sec    0   1.75 MBytes       
[  4]   6.00-7.00   sec   697 MBytes  5.85 Gbits/sec    0   1.75 MBytes       
[  4]   7.00-8.00   sec   682 MBytes  5.72 Gbits/sec    0   1.75 MBytes       
[  4]   8.00-9.00   sec   681 MBytes  5.72 Gbits/sec    0   1.81 MBytes       
[  4]   9.00-10.00  sec   672 MBytes  5.65 Gbits/sec    0   1.81 MBytes       
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth       Retr
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec  6.64 GBytes  5.70 Gbits/sec    0             sender
[  4]   0.00-10.00  sec  6.63 GBytes  5.70 Gbits/sec                  receiver

iperf Done.
xiaofan@TUF_6500-5020:/tmp/opt/root#  ps | grep iperf | grep -v grep
10685 xiaofan   1052 S    iperf3 -s -D
xiaofan@TUF_6500-5020:/tmp/opt/root# kill 10685

xiaofan@TUF_6500-5020:/tmp/opt/root# time sh -c 'dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 | md5sum'
-sh: time: not found

xiaofan@TUF_6500-5020:/tmp/opt/root# opkg install time
Installing time (1.9-3) to root...
Downloading http://bin.entware.net/aarch64-k3.10/time_1.9-3_aarch64-3.10.ipk
Configuring time.

xiaofan@TUF_6500-5020:/tmp/opt/root# time sh -c 'dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 | md5sum'
100+0 records in
100+0 records out
2f282b84e7e608d5852449ed940bfc51  -
1.69user 0.29system 0:01.93elapsed 102%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
0inputs+0outputs (0major+0minor)pagefaults 0swaps
 

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One issue found -- as of now, wireless profession tab -- region:
Only China and Australia are avialble, no Asia region settings.

Good thing is that indeed no high CPU load issues during wireless speedtest. Maybe acwifi.net author was using an old FW version. I am using the latest Firmware Version:3.0.0.6.102_55084.

Another missing feature found -- no Asus Instant Guard VPN support in TUF-6500 as of now.

This may not be a big issue as Wireguard and IPsec VPN server are supported. Asus Instant Guard is an easy way to use Asus DDNS + IPsec VPN server for remote access. But you can use Wireguard VPN server as well which is faster.
 

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1. By defaul the wireless region setting is China which has similar Tx power limiting regulation as Singapore, at least for the typical frequency bands of lower 5GHz bands (-23dBm).

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...home-networking.6653421/page-5#post-152744363
Frequency Band (MHz) 5150 – 5350
EIRP Power, Pe.i.r.p: ≤ 23 dBm

2. I compare the signal strength of Asus TUF-6500 with my trusted Asus RT-AX86U and find out that the signal of TUF-6500 is weaker by about 5dBm or more, so the coverage is not as good as Asus RT-AX86U (Asia region setting).

Singtel 1Gbps Fibre internet, Acer Windows 11 laptop (2021 model) with Intel AX201 WiFi 6 adapter.
Asus TUF-6500 in the living room, CH44, 80MHz channel bandwidth
Asus RT-AX86U in the living room, CH149, 80MHz channel bandwidth

a) One thick wall between the wireless client and the TUF-6500, 7m away (common toilet), signal strength is about -62dBm, compared to -57dBm of the RT-AX86U.
Bash:
PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     4.20 ms   (jitter: 0.75ms, low: 3.43ms, high: 6.27ms)
    Download:   291.34 Mbps (data used: 154.4 MB)
                 15.06 ms   (jitter: 10.39ms, low: 4.03ms, high: 87.46ms)
      Upload:   130.72 Mbps (data used: 70.1 MB)
                113.93 ms   (jitter: 39.26ms, low: 4.09ms, high: 305.61ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/a211277e-dceb-4b42-8b45-65a26149eb32

b) Two walls in between the wireless client and the TUF-6500, 10m away (yard area for the washing machine). SIgnal is already quite weak at between -72dBm to -74 dBm. Sometimes it may even lose connection or show connection but no Internet.

Bash:
PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     3.42 ms   (jitter: 0.25ms, low: 3.07ms, high: 4.05ms)
    Download:   108.39 Mbps (data used: 159.5 MB)
                 42.22 ms   (jitter: 30.67ms, low: 5.48ms, high: 197.43ms)
      Upload:    45.85 Mbps (data used: 55.4 MB)
                332.36 ms   (jitter: 79.43ms, low: 25.56ms, high: 1108.40ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/8a26df64-a55b-4eaf-a0f0-5a0c125d2586

c) Asus RT-AX86U test result as a comparison in this weak signal area with -65 dBm to -67 dBm signal strength.
Bash:
PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     4.12 ms   (jitter: 1.21ms, low: 3.02ms, high: 6.10ms)
    Download:   238.21 Mbps (data used: 383.5 MB)
                 15.49 ms   (jitter: 11.50ms, low: 6.81ms, high: 184.91ms)
      Upload:    64.16 Mbps (data used: 41.7 MB)
                431.24 ms   (jitter: 88.30ms, low: 46.62ms, high: 932.05ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/a185b300-13da-49a1-91b7-4a5805020239
 
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1. By defaul the wireless region setting is China which has similar Tx power limiting regulation as Singapore, at least for the typical frequency bands of lower 5GHz bands (-23dBm).

a) One thick wall between the wireless client and the TUF-6500, 7m away (common toilet), signal strength is about -62dBm, compared to -57dBm of the RT-AX86U.

b) Two walls in between the wireless client and the TUF-6500, 10m away (yard area for the washing machine). SIgnal is already quite weak at between -72dBm to -74 dBm. Sometimes it may even lose connection or show connection but no Internet.

Once changing to Australia region, signal strength will greatly improved.

a) One thick wall between the wireless client and the TUF-6500, 7m away (common toilet), signal strength is about --55 dBm to -57dBm, compared to -57dBm of the RT-AX86U (Asia region setting)

Bash:
PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     3.01 ms   (jitter: 0.17ms, low: 2.82ms, high: 3.25ms)
    Download:   331.83 Mbps (data used: 434.7 MB)
                 15.17 ms   (jitter: 24.09ms, low: 4.37ms, high: 134.14ms)
      Upload:   150.10 Mbps (data used: 135.3 MB)
                 95.66 ms   (jitter: 37.94ms, low: 6.90ms, high: 355.20ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/da6dadc6-c0a3-4e63-b7ca-0e75096361d7

b) Two walls in between the wireless client and the TUF-6500, 10m away (yard area for the washing machine). SIgnal is now at -65dBm to -67dBm, compared to -67dBm of the RT-AX86U (Asia region setting)

Bash:
PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     3.74 ms   (jitter: 0.45ms, low: 3.43ms, high: 4.43ms)
    Download:   193.23 Mbps (data used: 306.0 MB)
                 23.53 ms   (jitter: 22.55ms, low: 3.91ms, high: 290.02ms)
      Upload:    38.42 Mbps (data used: 29.4 MB)
                513.08 ms   (jitter: 77.56ms, low: 6.80ms, high: 906.87ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/c5d11354-880e-40be-a3dd-86456f6834da
 
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