New 10Gbps/5Gbps/6Gbps/3Gbps XGS-PON based plans

leongws · Jul 19, 2024

Hmmm.... After the scheduled maintenance for my account on 18 July (MR), speedtest results during peak hours for DL seems to improve compared to previously where DL hovers ~2000 to 3000+ during peak. Now DL is the same as other timing.

7000+ for DL/UL is what i normally get.

Mach3.2 · Jul 20, 2024

Mach3.2 said:
I'm seeing 50+ms on M1 instead of the usual 39ms. I ran traceroutes from the 5 ISPs a few days ago and it's mostly 50+ms ping RTT. VQ is 200ms+ but it has been that way since a few months ago.

cyberet said:
email sent, lets see how long they take or what excuses they have

Seem like VQ fixed their routing for GCP HK liao.

15 July 2024: https://atlas.ripe.net/measurements/75834464/results
20 July 2024: https://atlas.ripe.net/measurements/76086627/results

Sharing some traceroutes to the VPS providers COD uses. It's not the lowest latency option available by far, but they do have pretty good routes to the Sydney game servers if you play with m8s in Aus.
Will cherry pick some routes from VQ for certain game servers where the latency is lower, but most other routes will be from my M1 connection. M1 really considered buay pai liao.

Once I get the connection up and running, will email their cs to see whether they can fix routes for certain VPS providers like GCP in Seoul and Vultr in Tokyo.

vaxvms · Jul 20, 2024

xiaofan said:
It will work but only at 2.5Gbps.
If you want to have 10Gbps in the room in the future, then you still need to upgrade.

oic...like tat no issue lah

Henry Ng · Jul 20, 2024

Addiesler said:
Hi all, I recently switch from Singtel to StarHub for my broadband services and was given the Nokia Beacon 2 router. I would like to set up a wireless backhaul mesh in my house. So would like to check do I have to get additional Nokia Beacon 2 nodes or can I get a mesh setup from another brand and connect to the Nokia Beacon 2?

Now they are giving Link MX2

Henry Ng · Jul 20, 2024

leongws said:
Hmmm.... After the scheduled maintenance for my account on 18 July (MR), speedtest results during peak hours for DL seems to improve compared to previously where DL hovers ~2000 to 3000+ during peak. Now DL is the same as other timing.

7000+ for DL/UL is what i normally get.

That is good news. Coming 22 July is Starhub Upgrade Maintenance and I hope I can see some improvement in my speed test too.

Elijahonli · Jul 21, 2024

leongws said:
Hmmm.... After the scheduled maintenance for my account on 18 July (MR), speedtest results during peak hours for DL seems to improve compared to previously where DL hovers ~2000 to 3000+ during peak. Now DL is the same as other timing.

7000+ for DL/UL is what i normally get.

Doesnt seem to have much changes for me, the maintenance is specifically for your area/ account ?

leongws · Jul 21, 2024

Elijahonli said:
Doesnt seem to have much changes for me, the maintenance is specifically for your area/ account ?

Should be account as I received email about the maintenance indicating my account number.

Maybe I try test again later.

Henry Ng · Jul 21, 2024

leongws said:
Should be account as I received email about the maintenance indicating my account number.

Maybe I try test again later.

Tonight is SH upgrade maintenance. See below:

https://www.starhub.com/personal/support/article.html?id=XummyACt5295idO0wPflo8

Maintenance Message

17 JUL 2024

Dear Valued Fibre Broadband & Digital Voice Customers,

We will be performing upgrading maintenance on 22 JUL 2024 island wide.

During this period, there will be no service interruption. The maintenance work will be carried out only during off-peak hours from 2am to 6am so as to minimize any inconvenience to our customers.

We seek your kind understanding as we work towards optimizing the performance of our network for the enjoyment of all our customers.

Thank you.

Regards,
StarHub Web Administrator

Wockets · Jul 21, 2024

leongws said:
Should be account as I received email about the maintenance indicating my account number.

Maybe I try test again later.

UserID starting with C1000 confirm many many years with myrepublic

HiHelloBye · Jul 21, 2024

Henry Ng said:
Tonight is SH upgrade maintenance. See below:

https://www.starhub.com/personal/support/article.html?id=XummyACt5295idO0wPflo8

Maintenance Message

17 JUL 2024

Dear Valued Fibre Broadband & Digital Voice Customers,

We will be performing upgrading maintenance on 22 JUL 2024 island wide.

During this period, there will be no service interruption. The maintenance work will be carried out only during off-peak hours from 2am to 6am so as to minimize any inconvenience to our customers.

We seek your kind understanding as we work towards optimizing the performance of our network for the enjoyment of all our customers.

Thank you.

Regards,
StarHub Web Administrator

let's see whether is there any signifcant difference or not after the upgrade :s22:

HiHelloBye · Jul 21, 2024

there goes the reputation :s22:

...

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...c-users-affected-by-network-outage-on-july-21

leongws · Jul 21, 2024

HiHelloBye said:
there goes the reputation...

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...c-users-affected-by-network-outage-on-july-21

Im at Yishun and luckily was not affected by the disruption.

leongws · Jul 21, 2024

Wockets said:
UserID starting with C1000 confirm many many years with myrepublic

Been with them since MR started not that long in year 2012. From 100Mbps to now 10Gbps. But monthly bill still the same as others

. Should have a loyalty discount for monthly bill lol.

Peak hours is start from what time?

xiaofan · Jul 21, 2024

leongws said:
Been with them since MR started not that long in year 2012. From 100Mbps to now 10Gbps. But monthly bill still the same as others . Should have a loyalty discount for monthly bill lol.

Peak hours is start from what time?

Now is considered peak time already, 8pm to 10pm is for sure peak time.

Starhub has the following definition for the 500Mbps/1Gbps plan data. They have not updated the following web page for a long time.
Peak period s are from 6pm to 2am, weekdays and 11am to 2am, weekends.
https://www.starhub.com/personal/broadband/typical-broadband-speed-plans.html

Typical Speed Range

Typical Download Speeds	Local
Fibre
500Mbps	477.42Mbps – 496.78Mbps
1Gbps^	888.99Mbps – 957.05Mbps

NOTE:

*Results are based on multiple PCs experiencing download concurrently.
The Typical Speed Range is computed to reflect that at least 80% of the time, a customer should experience the lower bound speed or higher. Measurement are based on peak and non peak periods (peak period s are from 6pm to 2am, weekdays and 11am to 2am, weekends. Modems used in the speed measurement are via direct wired LAN connections to Docsis 3.0 Cable Modems (cable broadband) and Fibre Optical Network Terminals (fibre broadband). Wireless routers are not used in the testing. Data is accurate and updated as of 1 April to 30 June 2021.
Results are measured using StarHub International Speedtest utilities to a US server.
Please note that results from 3rd party speed test servers may differ greatly. StarHub is not able to control the quality of connection beyond its own network. StarHub has no visibility over their configuration and limitation of any 3rd party speedtest server and their networks quality that may produce different/varying results. Learn how to perform a speedtest.
#Assured Typical Speed of 20Mbps, 25Mbps and 30Mbps, 95% of the time during Peak Hours.
^For 2Gbps Fibre Broadband, typical speed for individual connection will follow typical speed range of 1Gbps service.

xiaofan · Jul 21, 2024

Singtel: Peak hours are generally from 7pm - 1am, while off-peak hours are generally from 1am - 7pm.
Singtel has not done the updates after Sept 2023.
https://www.singtel.com/personal/support/broadband/typical-download-speeds

Typical local and international download speeds

The following is based on more than 600 measured readings for each Fibre Broadband plan across peak and off-peak hours. It is validated from July to September 2023.

Peak hours are generally from 7pm - 1am, while off-peak hours are generally from 1am - 7pm.

Fibre Broadband Plan	Typical Local Download Speed for Wired Connection*	Typical International Download Speed for Wired Connection*
1Gbps	954.20Mbps – 972.59Mbps	801.27Mbps – 912.52Mbps
2Gbps Fibre Plan*	1769.79Mbps – 1871.24Mbps	1556.26Mbps– 1766.13Mbps
10Gbps Fibre Plan	8221.50Mbps – 8224.36Mbps	1884.30Mbps– 2051.63Mbps

*The typical download speed range is computed to reflect that, at least 90% of the time, a user should experience the lower bound speed or higher.
^Download speeds for 2Gbps Fibre Plan reflects an aggregated speed of 2 speedtest readings done simultaneously on 2 client devices.

kukathe · Jul 21, 2024

xiaofan said:

First test using iperf3 -- I have actually ordered another one called GRiS and it is also based on the same chipset. But I would not recommend that one as I can not find the website to download the driver. In the end, I use the IOcrest driver as well for that GRiS 10G adapter, for my year 2021 laptop. No need driver for my Mac Mini M1 2020.

Windows driver download: http://www.iocrest.com/data/upload/image/AQC113.zip

iperf3 server -- Mac Mini M1 2020
iperf3 client -- Acer Windows 11 laptop 2021 model (Core i5-1135G7, 16GB, 512GB).

Apparently my Acer laptop is a bit slow, but the two adapters seem to work fine.

Upload to the Mac Mini M1 -- full 10G bandwidth
Download -- only 6Gbps without using "-P 4" and get full 10G bandwidth with "-P 4" but may not sustain 10Gbps download.

Bash:

PS C:\work\speedtest\iperf-3.16-win64> .\iperf3.exe -c 192.168.7.3
Connecting to host 192.168.7.3, port 5201
[  5] local 192.168.7.2 port 9070 connected to 192.168.7.3 port 5201
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate
[  5]   0.00-1.01   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.40 Gbits/sec
[  5]   1.01-2.01   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.43 Gbits/sec
[  5]   2.01-3.01   sec  1.09 GBytes  9.40 Gbits/sec
[  5]   3.01-4.01   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.42 Gbits/sec
[  5]   4.01-5.01   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.39 Gbits/sec
[  5]   5.01-6.00   sec  1.09 GBytes  9.42 Gbits/sec
[  5]   6.00-7.00   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.44 Gbits/sec
[  5]   7.00-8.01   sec  1.11 GBytes  9.44 Gbits/sec
[  5]   8.01-9.00   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.45 Gbits/sec
[  5]   9.00-10.00  sec  1.09 GBytes  9.40 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate
[  5]   0.00-10.00  sec  11.0 GBytes  9.42 Gbits/sec                  sender
[  5]   0.00-10.01  sec  11.0 GBytes  9.41 Gbits/sec                  receiver

iperf Done.

PS C:\work\speedtest\iperf-3.16-win64> .\iperf3.exe -c 192.168.7.3 -R
Connecting to host 192.168.7.3, port 5201
Reverse mode, remote host 192.168.7.3 is sending
[  5] local 192.168.7.2 port 9175 connected to 192.168.7.3 port 5201
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate
[  5]   0.00-1.00   sec   769 MBytes  6.42 Gbits/sec
[  5]   1.00-2.00   sec   715 MBytes  6.01 Gbits/sec
[  5]   2.00-3.00   sec   768 MBytes  6.44 Gbits/sec
[  5]   3.00-4.00   sec   718 MBytes  6.02 Gbits/sec
[  5]   4.00-5.01   sec   822 MBytes  6.88 Gbits/sec
[  5]   5.01-6.01   sec   843 MBytes  7.07 Gbits/sec
[  5]   6.01-7.00   sec   772 MBytes  6.49 Gbits/sec
[  5]   7.00-8.01   sec   681 MBytes  5.71 Gbits/sec
[  5]   8.01-9.01   sec   489 MBytes  4.08 Gbits/sec
[  5]   9.01-10.00  sec   505 MBytes  4.26 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate
[  5]   0.00-10.00  sec  6.92 GBytes  5.94 Gbits/sec                  sender
[  5]   0.00-10.00  sec  6.92 GBytes  5.94 Gbits/sec                  receiver

iperf Done.

PS C:\work\speedtest\iperf-3.16-win64> .\iperf3.exe -c 192.168.7.3 -R -P4
Connecting to host 192.168.7.3, port 5201
Reverse mode, remote host 192.168.7.3 is sending
[  5] local 192.168.7.2 port 9322 connected to 192.168.7.3 port 5201
[  7] local 192.168.7.2 port 9323 connected to 192.168.7.3 port 5201
[  9] local 192.168.7.2 port 9324 connected to 192.168.7.3 port 5201
[ 11] local 192.168.7.2 port 9325 connected to 192.168.7.3 port 5201
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate
[  5]   0.00-1.01   sec   268 MBytes  2.23 Gbits/sec
[  7]   0.00-1.01   sec   269 MBytes  2.24 Gbits/sec
[  9]   0.00-1.01   sec   354 MBytes  2.95 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   0.00-1.01   sec   248 MBytes  2.06 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   0.00-1.01   sec  1.11 GBytes  9.48 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   1.01-2.00   sec   125 MBytes  1.06 Gbits/sec
[  7]   1.01-2.00   sec   130 MBytes  1.10 Gbits/sec
[  9]   1.01-2.00   sec   749 MBytes  6.32 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   1.01-2.00   sec   119 MBytes  1.00 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   1.01-2.00   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.48 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   2.00-3.01   sec   128 MBytes  1.07 Gbits/sec
[  7]   2.00-3.01   sec   130 MBytes  1.09 Gbits/sec
[  9]   2.00-3.01   sec   751 MBytes  6.27 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   2.00-3.01   sec   120 MBytes   998 Mbits/sec
[SUM]   2.00-3.01   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.43 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   3.01-4.01   sec   127 MBytes  1.06 Gbits/sec
[  7]   3.01-4.01   sec   130 MBytes  1.09 Gbits/sec
[  9]   3.01-4.01   sec   747 MBytes  6.25 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   3.01-4.01   sec   125 MBytes  1.04 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   3.01-4.01   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.45 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   4.01-5.01   sec   127 MBytes  1.06 Gbits/sec
[  7]   4.01-5.01   sec   130 MBytes  1.09 Gbits/sec
[  9]   4.01-5.01   sec   748 MBytes  6.28 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   4.01-5.01   sec   125 MBytes  1.05 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   4.01-5.01   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.48 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   5.01-6.00   sec   127 MBytes  1.07 Gbits/sec
[  7]   5.01-6.00   sec   128 MBytes  1.08 Gbits/sec
[  9]   5.01-6.00   sec   737 MBytes  6.22 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   5.01-6.00   sec   120 MBytes  1.02 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   5.01-6.00   sec  1.09 GBytes  9.38 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   6.00-7.01   sec   129 MBytes  1.08 Gbits/sec
[  7]   6.00-7.01   sec   130 MBytes  1.08 Gbits/sec
[  9]   6.00-7.01   sec   746 MBytes  6.23 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   6.00-7.01   sec   120 MBytes  1.00 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   6.00-7.01   sec  1.10 GBytes  9.39 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   7.01-8.00   sec   124 MBytes  1.05 Gbits/sec
[  7]   7.01-8.00   sec   125 MBytes  1.06 Gbits/sec
[  9]   7.01-8.00   sec   724 MBytes  6.11 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   7.01-8.00   sec   119 MBytes  1.00 Gbits/sec
[SUM]   7.01-8.00   sec  1.07 GBytes  9.22 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   8.00-9.00   sec  87.6 MBytes   733 Mbits/sec
[  7]   8.00-9.00   sec  93.0 MBytes   778 Mbits/sec
[  9]   8.00-9.00   sec   503 MBytes  4.20 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   8.00-9.00   sec  86.0 MBytes   719 Mbits/sec
[SUM]   8.00-9.00   sec   769 MBytes  6.43 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[  5]   9.00-10.01  sec  92.2 MBytes   772 Mbits/sec
[  7]   9.00-10.01  sec  91.5 MBytes   766 Mbits/sec
[  9]   9.00-10.01  sec   510 MBytes  4.27 Gbits/sec
[ 11]   9.00-10.01  sec  90.8 MBytes   760 Mbits/sec
[SUM]   9.00-10.01  sec   784 MBytes  6.57 Gbits/sec
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bitrate
[  5]   0.00-10.01  sec  1.30 GBytes  1.12 Gbits/sec                  sender
[  5]   0.00-10.01  sec  1.30 GBytes  1.12 Gbits/sec                  receiver
[  7]   0.00-10.01  sec  1.33 GBytes  1.14 Gbits/sec                  sender
[  7]   0.00-10.01  sec  1.33 GBytes  1.14 Gbits/sec                  receiver
[  9]   0.00-10.01  sec  6.42 GBytes  5.51 Gbits/sec                  sender
[  9]   0.00-10.01  sec  6.42 GBytes  5.51 Gbits/sec                  receiver
[ 11]   0.00-10.01  sec  1.24 GBytes  1.07 Gbits/sec                  sender
[ 11]   0.00-10.01  sec  1.24 GBytes  1.07 Gbits/sec                  receiver
[SUM]   0.00-10.01  sec  10.3 GBytes  8.83 Gbits/sec                  sender
[SUM]   0.00-10.01  sec  10.3 GBytes  8.83 Gbits/sec                  receiver

iperf Done.

Have you tried Iocrest 10g nic on Proxmox or Linux? it's not working in my PVE.

xiaofan · Jul 21, 2024

M1 has the most up-to-date data but it does not mention the definition of peak hours.
https://www.m1.com.sg/support/typical-speeds#accordion-6bf321f535-item-f62ceba0e8

TYPICAL BROADBAND SPEEDS MEASUREMENT AND METHODOLOGIES FOR FIXED ACCESS (DATED 1 JULY 2024)

Fibre Broadband Typical Download Speed Range

Theoretical Speed	Typical Speed Range*
500Mbps	435.3 – 450.1Mbps
1Gbps	888.7 – 903.7Mbps
GamePRO 1Gbps	939.1 – 956.1Mbps
2Gbps^	1276.9 – 1331.0Mbps

* The Typical Speed Range refers to the range of download speeds that users can experience 80% of the time based on the specific test conditions and parameters stipulated below. Testing Time Frame: April to June 2024.

^ Fibre Broadband 2Gbps (1+1Gbps) offers an aggregated maximum throughput of 2Gbps per residential address based on concurrent download connections via two (2) network ports connected with the same Optical Network Terminal (ONT). Each network port allows maximum throughput of 1Gbps. Speed testing on any individual port will show a maximum throughput of 1Gbps.

2. Sample Size and Methodology

A total of 1440 data points were collected over a period of 24 hours for each speed plan.

The computers used for testing were connected to the ONT via a LAN cable. Every hour, downloads from all the sites listed below were initiated and the process was repeated for 24 hours so that both peak and off-peak hours were covered.

3. Location of Test

These data points were collected at different locations (Jurong/Aljunied) to provide geographical spread.

xiaofan · Jul 21, 2024

kukathe said:
Have you tried Iocrest 10g nic on Proxmox or Linux? it's not working in my PVE.

I have not. My PVE machines are low end Intel N100 machine which does not have USB 4 ports. I will try Linux later on my Intel laptop.

But it is said that you need to rebuild the kernel driver module for Debian/Ubuntu/PVE. PVE is based on Debian.

Reference:
https://diyforfun.cn/1131.html
https://diyforfun.cn/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/2024052114460592.zip

leongws · Jul 21, 2024

Speed test for tonight. After 2130pm, there was a slight drop. I was streaming F1 race at 2130 so not sure is it related.

kukathe · Jul 21, 2024

xiaofan said:
I have not. My PVE machines are low end Intel N100 machine which does not have USB 4 ports. I will try Linux later on my Intel laptop.

But it is said that you need to rebuild the kernel driver module for Debian/Ubuntu/PVE. PVE is based on Debian.

Reference:
https://diyforfun.cn/1131.html
https://diyforfun.cn/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/2024052114460592.zip

tried the driver from 老高，didn't work
maybe related to the kernel 6.8
https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/thunderbolt-stopped-working-after-recent-update.150042/

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