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this shows singtel take pride with their eyeballs
all the cheap vps didn't have good routing with them , traffic have to hairpin via US
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Want to be fast go for 10Gbps internet.
Quality routing > high bandwidth plan
If you often venture to overseas sites/servers without local cdn (eg not Google/facebook/tiktok/yt), you start to realise anything >1Gbps is pointless because firstly
1) overseas connection itself has a throttled bandwidth 2) most lag is cause by high ping and jitters, packet losses and throttling caused by low quality or congested routes
Singtel and M1 users can see for themselves what I mean here:https://proof.ovh.net/. Wait for the applet to load and choose any IPv4 EU location like Gravelines or Limburg run the test during peak period
Doesn't matter whether 1Gbps or 10Gbps when your speed is throttled to 200kb/s due to trash routes taken
If you often venture to overseas sites/servers without local cdn (eg not Google/facebook/tiktok/yt), you start to realise anything >1Gbps is pointless because firstly
1) overseas connection itself has a throttled bandwidth 2) most lag is cause by high ping and jitters, packet losses and throttling caused by low quality or congested routes
Singtel and M1 users can see for themselves what I mean here:https://proof.ovh.net/. Wait for the applet to load and choose any IPv4 EU location like Gravelines or Limburg run the test during peak period
Doesn't matter whether 1Gbps or 10Gbps when your speed is throttled to 200kb/s due to trash routes taken
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Quality routing > high bandwidth plan
If you often venture to overseas sites/servers without local cdn (eg not Google/facebook/tiktok/yt), you start to realise anything >1Gbps is pointless because firstly
1) overseas connection itself has a throttled bandwidth 2) most lag is cause by high ping and jitters, packet losses and throttling caused by low quality or congested routes
Singtel and M1 users can see for themselves what I mean here:https://proof.ovh.net/. Wait for the applet to load and choose any IPv4 EU location like Gravelines or Limburg run the test during peak period
Doesn't matter whether 1Gbps or 10Gbps when your speed is throttled to 200kb/s due to trash routes taken
Night time , peak hour ? Tested from my mobile
Night time , peak hour ? Tested from my mobile
Ya like right now moi also getting max 2Mbps down on M1 and singtel mobile. same result at 7pm using friend's singtel broadband
U test Singtel ah? semo IP block is yours
M1's IPV6 to Gravelines/Limburg seems to be 1000x faster than IPV4.
Different routing on ipv6. Ipv4 downlink go by Singtel upstream
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No la. Not mainstream Telco.Ya like right now moi also getting max 2Mbps down on M1 and singtel mobile. same result at 7pm using friend's singtel broadband
U test Singtel ah? semo IP block is yours
Different routing on ipv6. Ipv4 downlink go by Singtel upstream
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Quality routing > high bandwidth plan
If you often venture to overseas sites/servers without local cdn (eg not Google/facebook/tiktok/yt), you start to realise anything >1Gbps is pointless because firstly
1) overseas connection itself has a throttled bandwidth 2) most lag is cause by high ping and jitters, packet losses and throttling caused by low quality or congested routes
Singtel and M1 users can see for themselves what I mean here:https://proof.ovh.net/. Wait for the applet to load and choose any IPv4 EU location like Gravelines or Limburg run the test during peak period
Doesn't matter whether 1Gbps or 10Gbps when your speed is throttled to 200kb/s due to trash routes taken
Singtel, wireless from my laptop (Acer Swift 2021 model with Intel AX201 WiFi 6 adapter), Asus TUF-BE6500 wireless router (2.5Gbe WAN port). I am using Singtel 5Gbps plan.
Singtel ZTE F8648P ONR bridged 10G LAN port --> Intel N100 OpenWRT virtual router --> 2.5G/10G switch --> TUF-BE6500 router --> wireless --> Acer Laptop running Windows 11 24H2
Results: using IPv4 (42.60.xxx.xxx, Singtel AS9506), about 7:40am, Saturday 28-Dec-2024
https://www.nperf.com/en/r/3553981477976708-A6oNnhjy
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Wired test results using the same laptop, Ugreen USB to 2.5Gbe adapter. This time is with IPv6.
Wired latency is more consistent but the speed is actually slower -- probably just the effect of different test time.
Test done at about 8:00am, Saturday 28-Dec-2024
https://www.nperf.com/en/r/3553984842156755-088qj0Ey
Wired latency is more consistent but the speed is actually slower -- probably just the effect of different test time.
Test done at about 8:00am, Saturday 28-Dec-2024
https://www.nperf.com/en/r/3553984842156755-088qj0Ey
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On top of all of this, what’s the content and real-life situation? If for example it’s a 196 Kb/s stream of German opera, none of these measurements matter. Any of these test results will do fine. Your German opera stream will sound and perform exactly the same. In contrast, if you’re working for DW as a video editor and need to send and receive huge video recordings to/from Europe on tight deadlines, OK, maybe the quality and capacity of your ISP’s routes to Europe will matter — the fibre bandwidth into your home office, much less so. (How many people are DW video editors working at home in Singapore?)
Note that the Internet, especially internationally, is variable. With Russian and Chinese ships now intentionally dragging anchors to sever undersea links, expect some variable capacity constraints to certain destinations. And don’t worry about the fibre bandwidth into your home. Literally all contract offers, even the least expensive, are amazing in terms of how fast the link is between your home and NetLink Trust’s infrastructure.
Note that the Internet, especially internationally, is variable. With Russian and Chinese ships now intentionally dragging anchors to sever undersea links, expect some variable capacity constraints to certain destinations. And don’t worry about the fibre bandwidth into your home. Literally all contract offers, even the least expensive, are amazing in terms of how fast the link is between your home and NetLink Trust’s infrastructure.
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@Mach3.2 will like this test very much.
Your VQ results are quite decent.
Singtel is so so so bad with this test. You can see my test results below, using WiFi (but WiFi should not be the real issue here -- got good connection using RT-AX86U router at 3m distance only.
https://www.meter.net/tools/world-ping-test/#0-35860-9cfdc6
The above test was done on 15-August-2024.
Now it is 28-Dec-2024. Still using wireless, 4m away from Asus TUF-BE6500. The results look better now.
Singtel ZTE F8648P ONR bridged 10G LAN port --> Intel N100 OpenWRT virtual router --> 2.5G/10G switch --> TUF-BE6500 router --> wireless --> Acer 2021 Laptop running Windows 11 24H2 (Intel Core i5-1135G7 CPU, 16GB/512GB, Intel AX201 WiFi 6 adapter)
Tested twice.
https://www.meter.net/tools/world-ping-test/#0-149276-9d03a2
https://www.meter.net/tools/world-ping-test/#0-149283-9af745
Interesting. There are different paths taken for different Singtel IP blocks.Singtel, wireless from my laptop (Acer Swift 2021 model with Intel AX201 WiFi 6 adapter), Asus TUF-BE6500 wireless router (2.5Gbe WAN port). I am using Singtel 5Gbps plan.
Singtel ZTE F8648P ONR bridged 10G LAN port --> Intel N100 OpenWRT virtual router --> 2.5G/10G switch --> TUF-BE6500 router --> wireless --> Acer Laptop running Windows 11 24H2
Results: using IPv4 (42.60.xxx.xxx, Singtel AS9506), about 7:40am, Saturday 28-Dec-2024
https://www.nperf.com/en/r/3553981477976708-A6oNnhjy
42.60.254.x goes through london IX peer
Code:
HOST: gra.lg.ovh.net Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1. AS16276 141.94.18.1 0.0% 3 0.4 0.3 0.1 0.4 0.1
2. AS??? 192.168.143.254 0.0% 3 0.4 0.4 0.3 0.4 0.1
3. AS??? 10.69.168.62 0.0% 3 0.5 0.6 0.5 0.7 0.1
4. AS??? 10.69.162.160 0.0% 3 0.5 0.6 0.5 0.7 0.1
5. AS??? 10.69.128.76 0.0% 3 0.4 0.6 0.4 0.7 0.1
6. AS??? 10.17.155.58 0.0% 3 0.8 1.0 0.8 1.2 0.2
7. AS??? 10.73.1.58 0.0% 3 0.5 0.5 0.4 0.6 0.1
8. AS??? 10.95.33.8 0.0% 3 1.1 1.1 1.0 1.1 0.0
9. AS16276 lon-thw-sbb1-nc5.uk.eu (91.121.215.179) 0.0% 3 4.1 4.1 4.1 4.1 0.0
10. AS??? 10.200.0.131 0.0% 3 3.7 3.9 3.7 4.2 0.3
11. AS??? 195.66.237.10 0.0% 3 3.5 3.6 3.5 3.9 0.2
12. AS7473 203.208.158.61 0.0% 3 171.3 173.8 171.2 178.9 4.5
13. AS7473 203.208.158.161 0.0% 3 171.5 171.6 171.5 171.8 0.2
14. AS7473 203.208.183.82 0.0% 3 171.9 171.7 171.6 171.9 0.1
15. AS7473 203.208.177.214 0.0% 3 174.0 174.1 174.0 174.3 0.1
16. AS3758 SN-SINQT1-BO117-ae4.singnet.com.sg (165.21.138.86) 0.0% 3 205.5 187.6 172.5 205.5 16.7
17. AS3758 165.21.138.246 0.0% 3 174.4 181.0 174.3 194.4 11.6
18. AS3758 165.21.193.22 0.0% 3 174.6 174.8 174.6 175.0 0.2
19. AS9506 bb151-192-120-253.singnet.com.sg (151.192.120.253) 0.0% 3 172.7 172.8 172.7 173.0 0.2
20. AS9506 bb42.60-254-1.singnet.com.sg (42.60.254.1) 0.0% 3 174.1 174.1 173.9 174.2 0.242.60.127.x goes through Zayo upstream
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HOST: gra.lg.ovh.net Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1. AS16276 141.94.18.1 0.0% 3 0.5 0.4 0.4 0.5 0.1
2. AS??? 192.168.143.254 0.0% 3 0.6 0.5 0.4 0.6 0.1
3. AS??? 10.69.168.62 0.0% 3 0.7 0.6 0.6 0.7 0.1
4. AS??? 10.69.162.162 0.0% 3 0.6 0.7 0.6 0.8 0.1
5. AS??? 10.69.128.80 0.0% 3 0.7 0.7 0.6 0.7 0.1
6. AS??? 10.17.146.2 0.0% 3 0.8 0.8 0.8 0.9 0.1
7. AS??? 10.73.0.76 0.0% 3 0.8 0.7 0.5 0.8 0.2
8. AS??? 10.95.33.8 0.0% 3 1.5 3.6 1.5 7.6 3.5
9. AS16276 be102.par-gsw-sbb1-nc5.fr.eu (91.121.215.177) 0.0% 3 5.7 5.3 5.0 5.7 0.3
10. AS??? 10.200.2.7 0.0% 3 5.5 5.3 5.1 5.5 0.2
11. AS??? zayo.par.franceix.net (37.49.237.180) 0.0% 3 11.8 8.8 5.1 11.8 3.4
12. AS6461 ae18.cr1.cdg12.fr.zip.zayo.com (64.125.26.68) 0.0% 3 8.2 7.9 7.8 8.2 0.2
13. AS6461 213.161.72.106 0.0% 3 7.7 7.9 7.7 8.4 0.4
14. AS7473 203.208.166.249 0.0% 3 165.9 165.5 165.2 165.9 0.4
15. AS7473 203.208.158.9 0.0% 3 165.5 165.5 165.4 165.7 0.2
16. AS7473 203.208.158.206 0.0% 3 165.5 165.6 165.5 165.6 0.1
17. AS7473 203.208.143.130 0.0% 3 166.9 166.1 165.7 166.9 0.7
18. AS3758 165.21.139.133 0.0% 3 165.6 165.7 165.6 165.9 0.1
19. AS3758 165.21.139.170 0.0% 3 165.8 165.9 165.8 165.9 0.0
20. AS3758 165.21.193.234 0.0% 3 166.9 171.6 166.1 181.9 8.9
21. AS??? ??? 100.0 3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
22. AS9506 bb42-60-127-1.singnet.com.sg (42.60.127.1) 0.0% 3 166.6 166.7 166.6 166.7 0.1116.15.49.x is the one I've gotten and tested the result 2Mbps few post up. Goes through germany DE-CIX peer.
Code:
HOST: gra.lg.ovh.net Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1. AS16276 141.94.18.1 0.0% 3 0.5 0.4 0.4 0.5 0.1
2. AS??? 192.168.143.254 0.0% 3 0.4 0.5 0.4 0.5 0.1
3. AS??? 10.69.168.62 0.0% 3 0.4 0.6 0.4 0.7 0.2
4. AS??? 10.69.162.162 0.0% 3 0.6 0.7 0.6 0.8 0.1
5. AS??? 10.69.128.80 0.0% 3 0.6 0.6 0.6 0.7 0.1
6. AS??? 10.17.149.112 0.0% 3 0.9 0.8 0.7 0.9 0.1
7. AS??? 10.73.0.122 0.0% 3 0.5 0.7 0.5 0.9 0.2
8. AS??? 10.95.33.10 0.0% 3 2.9 2.3 1.9 2.9 0.6
9. AS16276 be10.fra-fr5-sbb2-nc5.de.eu (54.36.50.151) 0.0% 3 9.2 9.6 9.2 9.8 0.3
10. AS16276 fra-fra15-sbb2-8k.de.eu (57.128.121.53) 0.0% 3 11.3 11.4 11.3 11.7 0.2
11. AS??? 10.200.6.199 66.7% 3 10.9 10.9 10.9 10.9 0.0
12. AS??? cc3-decix.ix.singtel.com (80.81.196.212) 0.0% 3 169.1 166.0 161.5 169.1 4.0
13. AS7473 203.208.183.89 0.0% 3 166.9 164.8 163.4 166.9 1.9
14. AS4845 7473203.208.158.206 0.0% 3 164.2 163.9 163.0 164.4 0.7
15. AS7473 203.208.143.130 0.0% 3 161.9 163.2 161.9 165.4 1.9
16. AS3758 165.21.139.133 0.0% 3 162.3 169.8 162.1 185.0 13.1
17. AS3758 165.21.139.170 0.0% 3 162.3 164.3 162.0 168.4 3.6
18. AS3758 165.21.193.234 0.0% 3 162.4 164.2 162.4 167.6 2.9
19. AS??? ??? 100.0 3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
20. AS9506 bb116-15-49-1.singnet.com.sg (116.15.49.1) 0.0% 3 167.0 166.3 164.9 167.0 1.2Notice this germany route is the same one being shared to M1 customers and have the same issue.
M1 IPv4 result
M1 IPv6
Trace M1
Code:
HOST: gra.lg.ovh.net Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1. AS16276 141.94.18.1 0.0% 3 0.4 0.3 0.3 0.4 0.1
2. AS??? 192.168.143.254 0.0% 3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.0
3. AS??? 10.69.168.62 0.0% 3 0.6 0.6 0.5 0.6 0.1
4. AS??? 10.69.162.162 0.0% 3 0.6 0.6 0.4 0.7 0.2
5. AS??? 10.69.128.82 0.0% 3 0.7 0.6 0.4 0.7 0.2
6. AS??? 10.17.151.118 0.0% 3 0.8 0.8 0.8 0.9 0.1
7. AS??? 10.73.1.36 0.0% 3 0.6 0.6 0.5 0.7 0.1
8. AS??? 10.95.33.8 0.0% 3 1.7 1.6 1.4 1.7 0.1
9. AS16276 fra-fr5-sbb1-nc5.de.eu (213.186.32.213) 0.0% 3 9.5 9.5 9.2 9.7 0.3
10. AS??? 10.200.0.13 66.7% 3 11.0 11.0 11.0 11.0 0.0
11. AS??? cc3-decix.ix.singtel.com (80.81.196.212) 0.0% 3 173.2 171.3 168.0 173.2 2.9
12. AS7473 203.208.154.173 0.0% 3 172.9 171.3 167.9 173.2 3.0
13. AS7473 203.208.183.130 0.0% 3 172.7 171.0 167.0 173.2 3.4
14. AS7473 203.208.150.106 0.0% 3 241.2 239.3 235.5 241.2 3.3
15. AS4773 220.246.65.202.unknown.m1.com.sg (202.65.246.220) 0.0% 3 243.2 241.6 238.7 243.2 2.5
16. AS4773 182.246.65.202.unknown.m1.com.sg (202.65.246.182) 33.3% 3 243.0 241.6 240.1 243.0 2.1
17. AS4773 1.0.245.49.unknown.m1.com.sg (49.245.0.1) 0.0% 3 243.7 242.6 240.5 243.7 1.8Precisely. Never felt any bottleneck or slowness with local connections on 500Mbps. For me there is almost no situation in the house where everyone consumes concurrent 500Mbps 24/7. If let's say a 4K 60 streams at 25Mbps, I need 20 devices watching the same stream concurrently to exhaust the bandwidth on 500Mbps plan.
What I find is so many people are misled into thinking upgrading to 10Gbps will fix all lag when there are so many variables beyond local port speed like adapter/router speed and further upstream bandwidth issues. Salesmen are trained to convince you why <3Gbps is the reason you have lag.
The above test was done on 15-August-2024.
Now it is 28-Dec-2024. Still using wireless, 4m away from Asus TUF-BE6500. The results look better now.
Singtel ZTE F8648P ONR bridged 10G LAN port --> Intel N100 OpenWRT virtual router --> 2.5G/10G switch --> TUF-BE6500 router --> wireless --> Acer 2021 Laptop running Windows 11 24H2 (Intel Core i5-1135G7 CPU, 16GB/512GB, Intel AX201 WiFi 6 adapter)
Tested twice.
https://www.meter.net/tools/world-ping-test/#0-149276-9d03a2
https://www.meter.net/tools/world-ping-test/#0-149283-9af745
Impressive changes within 3-4 months. Seems they have made latency improvements to EU in general. M1 still mostly the same and now doing worse than Singtel if going by the number of reds.
M1 current results: https://www.meter.net/tools/world-ping-test/#0-149324-1e0bde
What I find with M1 is that, Europe is solid only if going through Arelion bi-directional. But often it is not the case, you will see destination bound go via Arelion, then source bound can either go by Vodafone (not so stable like arelion) or USA (higher ping which causes the reds in the test results). Sometimes don't even have Arelion path at all and ping goes above 300.
I suspect M1 will only have good ping if both M1 and the destination host purchases good IP transit to each other. Unlike VQ or Singtel now who advertise their IX routes in EU taking bi-directional connectivity into their own hands and does not depend on destination host having premium IP transit back to SG.
Time to take M1 out of the "better EU latency among the big 3 ISPs"?
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IPv4 mtr result, from my main OpenWRT virtual router.
IPv6 mtr result, from my main OpenWRT virtual router.
Bash:
My traceroute [v0.95]
OpenWrt (42.60.14x.xxx) -> gra.lg.ovh.net (141.94.18.80) 2024-12-28T12:17:25+0800
Keys: Help Display mode Restart statistics Order of fields quit
Packets Pings
Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1. bb42-60-143-254.singnet.com.sg 0.0% 110 1.6 1.5 1.0 4.9 0.5
2. 165.21.193.22 0.0% 110 3.6 4.0 2.0 31.9 5.1
3. 165.21.193.21 0.0% 110 1.9 3.8 1.4 56.6 6.4
4. 165.21.138.245 0.0% 110 2.1 2.8 1.4 26.4 3.5
5. SN-SINQT1-BO403-ae1.singnet.com.sg 0.0% 110 2.2 1.8 1.3 2.2 0.2
6. 203.208.177.213 0.0% 110 2.3 3.2 1.9 25.5 4.1
7. xn-lhrcl1-bo706.ix.singtel.com 0.0% 110 4.2 3.6 1.9 43.6 4.8
8. 203.208.158.9 0.0% 109 2.7 3.3 2.3 25.2 2.8
9. 203.208.153.118 0.0% 109 162.6 162.2 161.4 167.3 1.0
10. 203.208.178.221 0.0% 109 167.9 162.5 161.5 189.7 3.1
11. 203.208.178.222 0.0% 109 161.8 162.2 161.4 174.9 1.7
12. ldn-b3-link.ip.twelve99.net 0.0% 109 160.5 160.6 160.0 168.3 0.8
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16. lon-thw-sbb1-nc5.uk.eu 0.0% 109 162.2 162.7 162.2 163.3 0.3
17. be103.gra-g1-nc5.fr.eu 0.0% 109 163.7 178.6 163.0 316.2 33.9
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25. 141.94.18.80 0.0% 109 165.8 165.4 165.1 165.8 0.2IPv6 mtr result, from my main OpenWRT virtual router.
Bash:
My traceroute [v0.95]
OpenWrt (2400:d802:xxxx::xxxx:xxxx) -> gra.lg.ovh.net (2001:41d0:304:300::bb9) 2024-12-28T12:20:42+0800
Keys: Help Display mode Restart statistics Order of fields quit
Packets Pings
Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1. 2400:d801:4001:611:: 0.0% 107 1.3 1.4 1.1 2.3 0.2
2. 2001:c20:3c00::6 0.0% 107 2.4 4.0 1.6 32.7 5.4
3. 2001:c20:3c00::7 0.0% 107 1.7 4.7 1.3 48.7 8.7
4. 2001:c20:0:3::35 0.0% 107 2.2 5.6 1.4 39.9 7.3
5. 2001:c20:0:3::a 0.0% 107 1.9 1.9 1.5 2.8 0.2
6. 2001:c10:80:2::a21 0.9% 107 2.5 3.7 1.8 32.7 4.7
7. 2001:c10:80:1::a129 0.0% 107 2.5 3.3 2.1 19.6 2.2
8. (waiting for reply)
9. 2001:41d0:aaaa:100::9 0.9% 107 187.5 181.0 171.8 191.0 5.2
10. 2001:41d0:aaaa:100::9 0.9% 107 188.6 180.5 171.9 195.3 5.2
11. 2001:41d0:aaaa:100::8 52.3% 107 167.5 167.1 166.6 167.6 0.2
12. be104.gra-g2-nc5.fr.eu 47.7% 107 272.9 172.9 165.8 304.3 25.0
13. vl100.gra-d2-a75.fr.eu 0.0% 107 166.0 165.8 165.2 166.3 0.2
14. 2001:41d0:0:50::5:11f 0.0% 107 166.0 165.8 165.3 168.1 0.3
15. 2001:41d0:0:50::1:9d3b 0.0% 107 165.3 165.1 164.7 165.6 0.2
16. 2001:41d0:0:1:3::ae33 0.0% 107 164.9 165.0 164.6 165.4 0.2
17. 2001:41d0:0:1:3::a73d 0.0% 107 165.0 165.3 164.8 165.7 0.2
18. 2001:41d0:0:1:3::aa44 0.0% 107 165.1 165.2 164.9 165.6 0.2
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20. 2001:41d0:304:300::bb9 0.0% 106 165.8 165.6 165.2 166.1 0.2- Joined
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If you see your speedtest result you will know you are wrong. If you are on 1Gbps plan then no way you can get 2896 Mbps DL, the most is 300 Mbps only. I tested many times. If 1Gbps to US it can be just 30 to 300 Mbps only with ipv6.Quality routing > high bandwidth plan
If you often venture to overseas sites/servers without local cdn (eg not Google/facebook/tiktok/yt), you start to realise anything >1Gbps is pointless because firstly
1) overseas connection itself has a throttled bandwidth 2) most lag is cause by high ping and jitters, packet losses and throttling caused by low quality or congested routes
Singtel and M1 users can see for themselves what I mean here:https://proof.ovh.net/. Wait for the applet to load and choose any IPv4 EU location like Gravelines or Limburg run the test during peak period
Doesn't matter whether 1Gbps or 10Gbps when your speed is throttled to 200kb/s due to trash routes taken
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