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[lifezard]

True True.
But i'm concerned about society intolerance of different opinion ... started with the woke culture.
say something not popular or politically correct, you get cancelled.
that's how they end up in such a polarizing divided nation now.

I generally don't agree with cancel culture too, as do many liberal leaning and progressives. Many doing cancel culture are doing it out of their own selfish agenda and not for empathy and progression in society. But it takes 2 to clap. What some conservatives are doing, like banning abortions and promoting alternative history and science is not healthy too.

 

[Shinning_Wolf]

You sure? The identity of the killer was revealed. He's a far right white guy...

Doesnt fit your narrative

It turns out that he is a liberal person.
He was born into conservative family, but as he entered Harvard University, it brainwashed him


But it doesn't matter left or right, violence is never the answer.

 

[focus1974]

I generally don't agree with cancel culture too, as do many liberal leaning and progressives. Many doing cancel culture are doing it out of their own selfish agenda and not for empathy and progression in society. But it takes 2 to clap. What some conservatives are doing, like banning abortions and promoting alternative history and science is not healthy too.

True. both sides also have agenda and both sides also have over-zealous supporters, but i would opine it seems countries were more well-run before this culture took over. Look at Europe now. USA is now in the midst of resisting totally.

End of the day, majority decides what they want with their country. UK , Germany etc are all now trying to return to their origins.

 

[kreja]

It turns out that he is a liberal person.
He was born into conservative family, but as he entered Harvard University, it brainwashed him


But it doesn't matter left or right, violence is never the answer.

So far it seems like the only established facts are

- the engravings on the bullet
- the roomate is trans
- he is officially registered as unaffiliated to either parties
- he never voted in past 2 elections
- he grew up in a Republican family

The rest are just speculations and finger pointing and trying to gain political points out of the incident. Thats disgusting lol.

For all you know he is just a siao lang with access to a gun.

 

[lifezard]

True. both sides also have agenda and both sides also have over-zealous supporters, but i would opine it seems countries were more well-run before this culture took over. Look at Europe now. USA is now in the midst of resisting totally.

End of the day, majority decides what they want with their country. UK , Germany etc are all now trying to return to their origins.

Here s my counter question to you. 1950s was broadly regarded by Americans to be their golden age. When the American dream was real. Owning a car a house and most importantly a stable and well paying job to support the whole family. But it was also the age of segregation, where blacks and non whites were not allowed the same facilities and rights the dominant race, I.e. the whites did. Would you argue for a return to those times just because it represented the best days for a certain portion of the population but he'll for others?

I see the same thing happening in this forum, nostalgia for a supposed golden age in singapore and tendency to scapegoat external elements. Things change even if we don't, the rest of the world will too.

 

[Shinning_Wolf]

So far it seems like the only established facts are

- the engravings on the bullet
- the roomate is trans
- he is officially registered as unaffiliated to either parties
- he never voted in past 2 elections
- he grew up in a Republican family

The rest are just speculations and finger pointing and trying to gain political points out of the incident. Thats disgusting lol.

For all you know he is just a siao lang with access to a gun.

Yes especially the last part.

 

[boyinhersense]

Here s my counter question to you. 1950s was broadly regarded by Americans to be their golden age. When the American dream was real. Owning a car a house and most importantly a stable and well paying job to support the whole family. But it was also the age of segregation, where blacks and non whites were not allowed the same facilities and rights the dominant race, I.e. the whites did. Would you argue for a return to those times just because it represented the best days for a certain portion of the population but he'll for others?

I see the same thing happening in this forum, nostalgia for a supposed golden age in singapore and tendency to scapegoat external elements. Things change even if we don't, the rest of the world will too.

Don’t overthink it. TS is referring to the time before woke ideology.

The elite left thinks that because the WEST is so wealthy, they need to let the South Americans, Middle Easterners and Africans enter illegally, support them with taxpayer dollars and eventually naturalize them.

They think that because of slavery and years of discrimation, there should be lenient laws and affirmative action to benefit the blacks regardless of their capabilities and qualifications.

Don’t even get me started on why they want to promote the normalization of LGBTQ to children to the point where preteens are encouraged to take hormone shots and ‘transition’.

The West have always had soft power and for the most part, it has been benign if not somewhat liberal compared to more conservative Asia mores. But this whole woke ideology they are exporting? Screw that. I’m glad Trump is there to take them on.

 

[lifezard]

Don’t overthink it. TS is referring to the time before woke ideology.

The elite left thinks that because the WEST is so wealthy, they need to let the South Americans, Middle Easterners and Africans enter illegally, support them with taxpayer dollars and eventually naturalize them.

They think that because of slavery and years of discrimation, there should be lenient laws and affirmative action to benefit the blacks regardless of their capabilities and qualifications.

Don’t even get me started on why they want to promote the normalization of LGBTQ to children to the point where preteens are encouraged to take hormone shots and ‘transition’.

The West have always had soft power and for the most part, it has been benign if not somewhat liberal compared to more conservative Asia mores. But this whole woke ideology they are exporting? Screw that. I’m glad Trump is there to take them on.

But again what exactly is woke? different people seems to define it differently. Which confuses me a lot? A lot of people here seems to conflate all kinds of things they don't like as woke. To the point that the name itself losing whatever meaning it originally had.

Does cancel culture count as woke?
Does blm count as woke?
Does dei count as woke?
Does lgbt affirmative movements count as woke?
Does belief in women abortion rights count as woke ?
Does socialism/communism and belief in social and equality count as woke?
Does even obamacare count as woke?

If so what exactly is 'the time before' you guys are talking about? You seem to imply there was a break between past struggles for civil rights and the movements when you wrote don't overthink it. But i don't. The struggles is a continuation from the past the way I see it.

 

[boyinhersense]

But again what exactly is woke? different people seems to define it differently. Which confuses me a lot? A lot of people here seems to conflate all kinds of things they don't like as woke. To the point that the name itself losing whatever meaning it originally had.

Does cancel culture count as woke?
Does blm count as woke?
Does dei count as woke?
Does lgbt affirmative movements count as woke?
Does belief in women abortion rights count as woke ?
Does socialism/communism and belief in social and equality count as woke?
Does even obamacare count as woke?

If so what exactly is 'the time before' you guys are talking about? You seem to imply there was a break between past struggles for civil rights and the movements when you wrote don't overthink it. But i don't. The struggles is a continuation from the past the way I see it.

Still overthinking it.

Woke is relative to people considering their leanings but the best measure is how most of time it’s against common sense and majority opinion.

If you agree that transgender women should be allowed to participate in women’s sports, you are woke. Simple.

And you sound like an apologist for the woke.

 

[Mila Azul]

 

[lifezard]

If you agree that transgender women should be allowed to participate in women’s sports, you are woke. Simple.

I believe they should be given a platform to compete, though not in the same contests as a traditionally defined biological woman. I don't know if you would call that woke. If you think that is I am woke then.

And you sound like an apologist for the woke.

I dunno. You tell me exactly is your definition of woke is and I will tell you if I am or not. Woke or woke apologist.

 

[jimboyboy]

This Charlie Kirk is really amazing. Can talk to a porn actress with respect and openness.

See their interesting exchange at the beginning of the podcast.

If you don't have much time, just watch the first 10mins. It's enough to tell you why he's not the bad guy that the left have been insisting.

 

[focus1974]

Here s my counter question to you. 1950s was broadly regarded by Americans to be their golden age. When the American dream was real. Owning a car a house and most importantly a stable and well paying job to support the whole family. But it was also the age of segregation, where blacks and non whites were not allowed the same facilities and rights the dominant race, I.e. the whites did. Would you argue for a return to those times just because it represented the best days for a certain portion of the population but he'll for others?

I see the same thing happening in this forum, nostalgia for a supposed golden age in singapore and tendency to scapegoat external elements. Things change even if we don't, the rest of the world will too.

We are in agreement the world moves forward and we keep up with times. That's why I say ultimately majority decides what they want with their country. But it does not mean we cannot take learning points from the success of the bygone years and the failures of the bygone years. I always tell my kids to take learning points , good things learn. not good things don't learn. So, you are tied to the colors. But let's instead examine the work ethics (the good) and what is bad (segregation). What we are seeing now would be the opposite. Work ethics declining but segregation and division is more because of the failed integration of illegal migrants(emphasis) and refugees are key sticking points in the community, DEI has upturn meritocracy. Maybe people need to be pulled back to the middle ground.


This diagram is quite funny to me .. and actually represents kinda the shift if you are in the middle.

 

[ProLogic]

The main fault is that it is too easy to get a gun in the US. In Utah state in particular, you can even openly carry a gun on campus.

So any deranged or self-radicalised guy can shoot first, talk later.

Source

Tiagong irregardless of how easy or difficult it ish to obtain guns in the US the intent of the 2nd Amendment ish for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves again non-law-abiding people who ish pose a threat to life, e.g. deranged or self-radicalised guy who shoot first, talk later.o

 

[trento]

Charlie Kirk


Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Zero sympathy from me.

It's the risk of being someone like tat in USA. Martin Luther for eg. Bopian one. Not tay i disagree with Kirk but open mouth there usually end up like Gandhi

 

[johnsonheng]

His father turned him in while his partner is fully collaborating with the fbi who will be pursuing the death penalty. Must be true love.

Because it a matter of time he get caught. Surrender may get lighter sentence. Also the partner will sure help the police. She lucky she or he never get arrested by police.

 

[SkyShroud]

But again what exactly is woke? different people seems to define it differently. Which confuses me a lot? A lot of people here seems to conflate all kinds of things they don't like as woke. To the point that the name itself losing whatever meaning it originally had.

Does cancel culture count as woke?
Does blm count as woke?
Does dei count as woke?
Does lgbt affirmative movements count as woke?
Does belief in women abortion rights count as woke ?
Does socialism/communism and belief in social and equality count as woke?
Does even obamacare count as woke?

If so what exactly is 'the time before' you guys are talking about? You seem to imply there was a break between past struggles for civil rights and the movements when you wrote don't overthink it. But i don't. The struggles is a continuation from the past the way I see it.

Hear me out! I know originally woke simply means to become aware of something. That technically makes all of us here woke. However, words evolve with time. Now it means woken up to extreme.

One can be supportive of anything but what methods you use to achieve what you want is the main point. The extreme would use manipulation, force, coercion, silencing, oppression etc to achieve it. That is to say Charlie Kirk's killer is a woke.

 

[BlackWing1977]

It is really incredible how some people can hate and be so utterly disgusting... even when the man is dead, and the wife is grieving and posted a video of her in front of his body in the coffin, probably to update his fans and supporters since this is quite a big deal across US and maybe the world, people on X can just say she is grifting or accusing her of craving attention... I am like what??

 

[lifezard]

Hear me out! I know originally woke simply means to become aware of something. That technically makes all of us here woke. However, words evolve with time. Now it means woken up to extreme.

One can be supportive of anything but what methods you use to achieve what you want is the main point. The extreme would use manipulation, force, coercion, silencing, oppression etc to achieve it. That is to say Charlie Kirk's killer is a woke.

Ok if you are criticising the methods rather the intentions, I am in general agreement with you. I do feel the way a lot of these activists try to bring about their agenda is a tad too radical and extreme at times and brings about great disruption to the society, even if the intentions were originally good.

Which brings me back to Charlie Kirk, I do think he was going in the same direction for his agenda too, a tad too provocative for some people's liking, and to his own peril.

 

[asymmetric]