M1 FIBRE BROADBAND DISCUSSION - Part 2

[xiaofan]

I am moving into my new 3 room BTO. Which M1 internet package should i subscribe for light gaming and lots of Netflix.
Thanks.

Lowest cost as of now is M1 3Gbps plan. And it should be good enough for your use cases.

 

[twosix]

Yes I agree with you, my point is 10G or 1G, it’s just a theoretical number. For residential use, very rarely does one need more than 100mbps for anything. You can buy the best 8K LG TV from Courts for $15,000 and stream the latest movie and you would only need 50mbps bandwidth. The top speed of a Civic is 200kmh, some people drive entire 10 years and the speed never once cross 120kmh. It’s just a number. In other words, Cat 5e is actually fine for home use, but some subscribers would feel cheated paying for 10G and leaving 9G untapped. The reason I sign for the 6Gbps plan was for the free BE805 and free BE805 only.

The decision is now mostly price. I agree with ur points on the speed. That's why pricing will define which plan I will take.

 

[hyperfuse]

Yes I agree with you, my point is 10G or 1G, it’s just a theoretical number. For residential use, very rarely does one need more than 100mbps for anything. You can buy the best 8K LG TV from Courts for $15,000 and stream the latest movie and you would only need 50mbps bandwidth. The top speed of a Civic is 200kmh, some people drive entire 10 years and the speed never once cross 120kmh. It’s just a number. In other words, Cat 5e is actually fine for home use, but some subscribers would feel cheated paying for 10G and leaving 9G untapped. The reason I sign for the 6Gbps plan was for the free BE805 and free BE805 only.

So actually...we should all just choose the cheapest value for money plan? Like Simba 10gbps also comes with free router?

 

[xiaofan]

So actually...we should all just choose the cheapest value for money plan? Like Simba 10gbps also comes with free router?

If you do not need much technical support and do not mind CGNAT (as well as some routing issues), then SIMBA is an okay option.

SIMBA basically has negiligible Fibre Broadband market share based on their own reports (25592 as of FY 2025 H2), despite the fast growth.
https://en.ocworkbench.com/simba-te...ofit-after-tax-and-updates-on-m1-acquisition/

For new users, I will recommend Starhub 3Gbps (S$29.55 with free HB410) and M1 3Gbps (S$32.90 with free TP-Link Archer BE230 or Asus RT-BE58U) over SIMBA 10 Gbps any time.

Reference:
⚡️ [Official] README First! 2025 SG ISP Comparison & Latest Promo Deals!
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...sg-isp-comparison-latest-promo-deals.6665380/

 

[hyperfuse]

If you do not need much technical support and do not mind CGNAT (as well as some routing issues), then SIMBA is an okay option.

SIMBA basically has negiligible Fibre Broadband market share based on their own reports (25592 as of FY 2025 H2), despite the fast growth.
https://en.ocworkbench.com/simba-te...ofit-after-tax-and-updates-on-m1-acquisition/

For new users, I will recommend Starhub 3Gbps (S$29.55 with free HB410) and M1 3Gbps (S$32.90 with free TP-Link Archer BE230 or Asus RT-BE58U) over SIMBA 10 Gbps any time.

Reference:
⚡️ [Official] README First! 2025 SG ISP Comparison & Latest Promo Deals!
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...sg-isp-comparison-latest-promo-deals.6665380/

So in layman terms, Simba has routing issues as compared to M1, starhub, Singtel?

 

[xiaofan]

So in layman terms, Simba has routing issues as compared to M1, starhub, Singtel?

Yes. Whether this is a real issue for you or not is another thing. Average users may not care too much.

To average users, lack of support is #1 issue.

CGNAT without static IPv4 cause some issues for some customers as well. I will call it #2 issue.

I am a SIMBA broadband user and for those who are considering it, please know that it is using CGNAT and shared IP addresses with its own set of problems. You will encounter more CAPTCHA screens and possibly failed transactions and authentication requiring location specific information.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...sg-isp-comparison-latest-promo-deals.6665380/

1. More about SIMBA as an ISP.

Main issues now for SIMBA, at least from the reports, are the following
1) Lack of support --> this can be a critical issue especially for average users who are not tech savvy
2) CGNAT without Static IPv4 add-on. SIMBA 10Gbps has native IPv6 which may help but it may still be an issue for those want to have a public IPv4 address. You can refer to the earlier discussion about CGNAT in this post.
3) There are some routing issues reported as well.

#2 (lack of support) is the main reason that I can not recommend SIMBA to average users as of now.

Power users know their use cases well -- so it is usually not an issue to go with their choice of ISPs. But I would not recommend power users to go for SIMBA either because of #2 (CGNAT without static IPv4 add-on).

2. Issue with CGNAT (MR, VQ and SIMBA) and workarounds
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/myrepublic-fibre-part-5.4981088/page-340#post-149246011
Majority of users will be okay with CGNAT but some users get affected (eg: cannot do port forwarding or hosting services).

VQ/MR provide static IPv4 add-on for those who hit the limit of CGNAT.

Unfortunately SIMBA does not have that add-on. It provides public IPv6 for 10Gbps plan users as a potential work-around but not able to sort out all issues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT

• Carrier-grade NAT usually prevents the ISP customers from using port forwarding, because the network address translation (NAT) is usually implemented by mapping ports of the NAT devices in the network to other ports in the external interface. This is done so the router will be able to map the responses to the correct device; in carrier-grade NAT networks, even though the router at the consumer end might be configured for port forwarding, the "master router" of the ISP, which runs the CGN, will block this port forwarding because the actual port would not be the port configured by the consumer.[7] In order to overcome the former disadvantage, the Port Control Protocol (PCP) has been standardized in the RFC 6887.
• In cases of banning traffic based on IP addresses, a system might block the traffic of a spamming user by banning the user's IP address. If that user happens to be behind carrier-grade NAT, other users sharing the same public address with the spammer will be inadvertently blocked.[7] This can create problems for forum and wiki administrators attempting to address disruptive actions of a single malicious user sharing an IP address with legitimate users.

 

[MajiMax]

Yes. Your old GPON ONT needs to be changed to the new XGS-PON ONT.

Am I able to setup the new WIFI 7 router first before the technician personal come to do the ONT activation, or the setup must be done together with the ONT activation?

The steps to change router still applies? https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...ussion-part-2.5658375/page-431#post-137248619

Thank you.

 

[xiaofan]

Am I able to setup the new WIFI 7 router first before the technician personal come to do the ONT activation, or the setup must be done together with the ONT activation?

The steps to change router still applies? https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...ussion-part-2.5658375/page-431#post-137248619

Thank you.

1) Yes you can do that, set up your WiFi 7 router first with your current GPON ONT, before the new XGS-PON ONT gets activated.

2) "Releasing MAC address" no long applies for M1. You may need to wait for 15 minutes. Shut down the ONT, wait for 15 minutes, then power up the ONT and the new router together.

 

[MajiMax]

1) Yes you can do that, set up your WiFi 7 router first with your current GPON ONT, before the new XGS-PON ONT gets activated.

2) "Releasing MAC address" no long applies for M1. You may need to wait for 15 minutes. Shut down the ONT, wait for 15 minutes, then power up the ONT and the new router together.

Thank you Sir, tonight I go try setup the new router

 

[zjlim86]

My M1 broadband is eligible for re-contract. does M1 offer promotion for recontract? based on what i check so far, 6gbps and 10gbps is at $47.90 and $63.90 respectively. will there be like endo of year promotion etc or promotion when my contract is near end?

 

[Asus80]

My M1 broadband is eligible for re-contract. does M1 offer promotion for recontract? based on what i check so far, 6gbps and 10gbps is at $47.90 and $63.90 respectively. will there be like endo of year promotion etc or promotion when my contract is near end?

go M1 shop re-contract better

 

[xiaofan]

My M1 broadband is eligible for re-contract. does M1 offer promotion for recontract? based on what i check so far, 6gbps and 10gbps is at $47.90 and $63.90 respectively. will there be like endo of year promotion etc or promotion when my contract is near end?

M1 10Gbps without router is at S$34.90 per month, for both new user and recontract.
https://www.m1.com.sg/home-broadband

As for M1 6Gbps recontract offer, you may have to check toward the end of contract.

 

[xiaofan]

M1 Shop new user offer, just saw it at M1 Jurong Point.

M1 6Gbps plan at S$36.90 per month with free Archer BE805 or Asus BE92U, S$2 cheaper than the price of S$38.90 per month on the website .

M1 10Gbps ONR plan is also cheaper for new users at S$36.90 per month with all-in-one WiFi 6 Huawei ONR plus free Archer BE230 or RT-BE58U (website price is at S$38.90 per month). I will not recommend this M1 10Gbps ONR plan myself. Search my previous reply to see why.

 

[zjlim86]

go M1 shop re-contract better

M1 10Gbps without router is at S$34.90 per month, for both new user and recontract.
https://www.m1.com.sg/home-broadband

As for M1 6Gbps recontract offer, you may have to check toward the end of contract.

M1 Shop new user offer, just saw it at M1 Jurong Point.

M1 6Gbps plan at S$36.90 per month with free Archer BE805 or Asus BE92U, S$2 cheaper than the price of S$38.90 per month on the website .

M1 10Gbps ONR plan is also cheaper for new users at S$36.90 per month with all-in-one WiFi 6 Huawei ONR plus free Archer BE230 or RT-BE58U (website price is at S$38.90 per month). I will not recommend this M1 10Gbps ONR plan myself. Search my previous reply to see why.

guess have to make a trip to the shop then..

@xiaofan currently now my hardware are not 10gbps friendly yet. what router do you recommend to make full use of the 10Gbps once my hardwares are up? Sorry if this is a repeat question and I would appreciate if you point me to the right direction. I have been comparing 10Gbps from all the telco and find that M1 give the best option yet ASUS RT-BE92U may not be the best route since it only have 2.5Gbps lan. Am eyeing ROG Rapture GT-BE98 but would be from myrepublic and the monthly is high

 

[xiaofan]

guess have to make a trip to the shop then..

@xiaofan currently now my hardware are not 10gbps friendly yet. what router do you recommend to make full use of the 10Gbps once my hardwares are up? Sorry if this is a repeat question and I would appreciate if you point me to the right direction. I have been comparing 10Gbps from all the telco and find that M1 give the best option yet ASUS RT-BE92U may not be the best route since it only have 2.5Gbps lan. Am eyeing ROG Rapture GT-BE98 but would be from myrepublic and the monthly is high

Unfortunately Asus 10G capable WiFi 7 routers with 6GHz Band are not cheap.

So you may have to go with either RT-BE92U, or ZenWiFi BT10 plus a mixed 10G/2.5G switch (about S$100 if buying from Taobao) or pure 10G switch (about S$150 to S$200 if buying from Taobao), if you are reluctant to go for higher end ones like Asus ZenWiFi BQ16 or ROG GT-BE98.

I kind of give up on Asus 10G capable WiFi 7 router myself. Now I use 10G capable Mini PC as main router, then use TP-Link Archer BE805 (10G capable) or Asus TUF-BE6500 (2.5G capable) as main AP. Asus RT-AX86U is used as secondary AP for legacy 2.4GHz devices.

 

[Jurong640]

M1 Shop new user offer, just saw it at M1 Jurong Point.

M1 6Gbps plan at S$36.90 per month with free Archer BE805 or Asus BE92U, S$2 cheaper than the price of S$38.90 per month on the website .

M1 10Gbps ONR plan is also cheaper for new users at S$36.90 per month with all-in-one WiFi 6 Huawei ONR plus free Archer BE230 or RT-BE58U (website price is at S$38.90 per month). I will not recommend this M1 10Gbps ONR plan myself. Search my previous reply to see why.

wow that is good deal. online is $34.90 without any router, now $36.90 with BE805

 

[xiaofan]

wow that is good deal. online is $34.90 without any router, now $36.90 with BE805

That S$34.90 per month without router is for M1 10Gbps plan.

The S$36.90 per month with Archer BE805 in-store offer is for M1 6Gbps plan. But I will say this is a better deal than the 10Gbps ONT without router offer at S$34.90 per month.

On the other hand, previous M1 6Gbps offer price was lower at S$34.90 per month with free Archer BE805. It was even lower at S$32.90 per month for some targeted recontract users (offers given around 22 Jan 2025 and 22 Feb 2025, and maybe later).

 

[hyperfuse]

Unfortunately Asus 10G capable WiFi 7 routers with 6GHz Band are not cheap.

So you may have to go with either RT-BE92U, or ZenWiFi BT10 plus a mixed 10G/2.5G switch (about S$100 if buying from Taobao) or pure 10G switch (about S$150 to S$200 if buying from Taobao), if you are reluctant to go for higher end ones like Asus ZenWiFi BQ16 or ROG GT-BE98.

I kind of give up on Asus 10G capable WiFi 7 router myself. Now I use 10G capable Mini PC as main router, then use TP-Link Archer BE805 (10G capable) or Asus TUF-BE6500 (2.5G capable) as main AP. Asus RT-AX86U is used as secondary AP for legacy 2.4GHz devices.

boss, can u kindly link me those pure 10G switch in taobao?

 

[xiaofan]

boss, can u kindly link me those pure 10G switch in taobao?

You can check out this thread.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...and-switch-rj45-version-no-sfp-ports.7072646/

 

[Jurong640]

That S$34.90 per month without router is for M1 10Gbps plan.

The S$36.90 per month with Archer BE805 in-store offer is for M1 6Gbps plan. But I will say this is a better deal than the 10Gbps ONT without router offer at S$34.90 per month.

On the other hand, previous M1 6Gbps offer price was lower at S$34.90 per month with free Archer BE805. It was even lower at S$32.90 per month for some targeted recontract users (offers given around 22 Jan 2025 and 22 Feb 2025, and maybe later).

yup. price is going down, i recontracted to 6gbps in January for $32.90