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Didn't read the report, coz I don't know hot to interpret data. Just from the abstract, it seems for long distance runner, the advantage is just the final few hundred where sprinting may be required if the other guy is very close.

You are correct. The athletes are also higher trained than i originally imagined. Fitness was 2.4 timing around 7.9 mins on avg before the test. Just 6 weeks plyo training as intervention.....not months etc.

The key takeaways got typo i think......is not 23.9 but 3.9% avg improvement. (combined value between men and women). Some improved much more than others also, coz it ranged from 9.9% improvement to just 1.1% improvement. Though, still not too shabby........shd translate to 5K as well.

It's very good money that can be tapped coz the plyo training is not difficult or time consuming at all, dosage is 2x per week. Actually if office got quiet room, can even do there after lunch.....like how some of us are doing as well. :unsure:
The plyometric exercises consisted only of DJs (bounce drop jumps), with a total of 60 DJs per session (2 series of 10 jumps from a 20 cm box, 2 series of 10 jumps from a 40 cm box, and 2 series of jumps from a 60 cm box) for the TG.
For me actually i had been doing already for more than a year (similar dosage and frequency, sometimes just 1x per week actually), but just wondering how much is it aiding my 3k, 5k or even the occasional 6-8k. At least now i have an answer. But then for me a bit risky, i dont warm up one. 😓 :oops: But so far so good no issue in my grand scheme of things.

For 2.4k, the men were getting improvements in the 18s range on avg.
Might seem not a lot, but it is not insignificant in the 7-8 mins fit zai range.


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I got the details from another link :
https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/..._plyometric_training_on_endurance_and.13.aspx

Subjects
For the intervention, a group of competitive middle- and long-distance runners (22 menand 14 women; 22.1 ± 2.7 years of age) were recruited. They had a minimum of 2 years of competitive experience at national and international level, with personal best times that ranged from 3:50 and 4:27 (minutes:seconds) at the 1500 m (men and women, respectively) to 2:32 and 2:52 (hours:minutes) at the Marathon (men and women, respectively). Subjects had no explosive strength training experience in the last 6 months. Athletes completed (mean ± SD) 6.94 ± 1.8 running endurance training units per week, for a total running weekly volume of 67.2 ± 18.9 km (TG 64.7 ± 18.8 km; CG 70.0 ± 19.3 km; no significant difference between groups), where high intensity interval training bouts of long (i.e., >1 minuteute) duration were the preferred training method.

This training load was added to their respective competitive schedule. Although the V[Combining Dot Above]O2max was not measured, the whole group of athletes (including women) underwent a 2.4-km time trial running performance test in a mean of 7.9 ± 0.8 minutes before intervention, suggesting a high level of fitness in comparison with previous reports (28,34–36).


2.4-km Running Endurance Test​

This was the only test that took place outdoors. The wind velocity at all times was between 5.5 to 9.9 km·h−1, the relative humidity was 50–66%, and the temperature was 13–14° C (Chilean Meteorological Service, Santiago, Chile). Athletes were instructed to run for maximal performance. The head coach took results as a guide to select athletes for competition, so motivation was considered maximal. Athletes individually completed 6 laps in a 400-m outdoor polyurethane track. Because the middle- and long-distance runners recruited for the study compete in different distances, we choose a standard distance for all athletes (2.4 km), as all of them were accustomed to this test as part of their annual general fitness assessment battery. For the specific warm-up, 2 submaximal laps around the track were completed, and 4 minutes later athletes had 1 maximal attempt to complete the test.


After 6 weeks of treatment, a significant reduction was observed in 2.4 km (p < 0.01) and 20 m (p < 0.01) time test in the TG. Also, after training, the TG shows a significant difference in 2.4 km (p < 0.05) and 20 m (p < 0.05) time test in comparison with the CG (Table 1).


Treatment​

The plyometric training intervention period lasted for 6 weeks, as this time frame had shown to be adequate for significant endurance related adaptations (28,36,37), and was carried out during the initial part of the competition season. No reduction in running endurance training volume was applied to the TG (i.e., the TG and CG kept their usual volume of running endurance training during the intervention). The athletes were instructed to maintain their usual dietary habits for the entire duration of the study and they did not perform plyometric exercise during intervention (other than the planned explosive exercises for the TG). Before the initiation of the plyometric training period, the athletes were instructed as to the proper execution of all the exercises to be done during this period. The plyometric training took place 2 days per week (with at least 48 hours of rest between sessions) because this training frequency had been shown to induce significant explosive-related and endurance-related adaptations in endurance athletes (36), with significant superior efficiency as compared with higher training frequencies (6). Plyometric training sessions lasted less than 30 minutes and were completed immediately before the endurance training. Standard warm-up (i.e. 5 minutes of submaximal running and several displacements, 20 submaximal vertical jumps and 10 submaximal longitudinal jumps) was used before the main part of the training session. The plyometric exercises consisted only of DJs (bounce drop jumps), with a total of 60 DJs per session (2 series of 10 jumps from a 20 cm box, 2 series of 10 jumps from a 40 cm box, and 2 series of jumps from a 60 cm box) for the TG. This volume has been used in previous studies, obtaining significant positive results (4,6). The rest period between repetitions was of 15 seconds, as previously recommended (31), and between series was of 2 minutes. The control group did not perform plyometric training and underwent the same testing protocols as the TG.

Athletes from the TG used the same surface (i.e., wooden floor) to complete all the plyometric training sessions. Athletes were instructed to place their hands on their hips and step off the platform with the leading leg straight to avoid any initial upward propulsion, ensuring a drop height of 20, 40, and 60 cm. They were instructed to jump with maximal intensity for maximal height and minimum contact time in every jump. These instructions were intended to maximize explosive strength requiring fast SSC. A researcher was always present during training sessions, motivating athletes to give their maximum effort in each jump.
 
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Of coz, the other one (general) other thing that is of coz the plyometrics can help reduce running injuries......via srengthening of tendons ligaments etc. This is a more indirect effect, of coz.......running injuries severity vary so much and how much it affects the ability to train differs from person to person.
ie Some might not get injured at all, while others have damn jialat lingering even chronic recurring injuries.

More of an aid for you to train consistently without any drama, i guess.
 

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I’ve grown older and more anxious, perhaps because after searching for sunscreen, I started seeing information about skin cancer caused by sun exposure. :ROFLMAO:

I think changing training time period is most practical for us. Arm sleeves and sunscreen a bit terok to be used in sports and training.......at least that is how i feel.

Start the day early ba........end before 8am, at most extend to 8am. Zero worries liao.
This works for us as well, coz the temperature damn terok.
 

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I was sitting on the fence where to sign for eco run, coz I might have a surgery coming up for my hemorrhoids.

You tried Diosmin before? Forget Daflon or disper, too ex. Only thing is that confirmed lab grade etc.....and micronized.


I tried this before......quite good. That time AMZ got offer, i think newbie offer when the pdt first came out, S$43 for 1 big bottle of 365 capsules, shipped. But later raised price.
https://www.amazon.sg/Original-Ingredients-Capsules-Magnesium-Verified/dp/B09SGMMD35/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2OEF8AYWC9B9B&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.m3P8udb4etEG_yD01VYsFwxnMrX-kUP2w9PvF9DYEczK08-L98nlRen5qMP_mwnmA2DY2ik-VqbfWqR581qVci0vAnOSqRRqD-HLKmRpRVi1Oq7frU9AfnWivhna8g69hn3mLNo7UAoR0YARzseiol47q_c4TDiALFNk0GD0cKN8UJrLijmQ2aiAxSiH9lZqXWpiggcHSvyxWdwD-gumEAS77ve35dMhqnvhE-hSwnOTmYPFg5TzSeoKYjasdLecJ7JtMnsVxDAh6oLD27qJVWrYq8LWuOhpTiOb5glsWms.dN0XtD1SyPvLr2I9gOxhcmdDa3oZpIFb5SU0n8O9TmE&dib_tag=se&keywords=diosmin&qid=1770885701&sprefix=diosmin,aps,234&sr=8-8


This on iherb also works good. I using, as general maintenance. Super cheap for lifelong maintenance dosage or to counter any trigger episodes.
Start to makan as soon as you feel the itch, coz you ate spicy stuff and/or go toilet a bit soft/watery stools, which is one main trigger for me.

https://sg.iherb.com/pr/nature-s-life-lemon-bioflavonoids-1-000-mg-100-tablets/24044

Both no GI issues one, way less risk than even Creatine 5g, so go ahead and hoot.
Sometimes the second one i serious itch and can feel the pain coming, i gar gar hoot 3000mg and 3X daily as initial high dose first 24hr loading. :unsure: :oops: No GI issues, and still alive. :unsure:
 

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I dont know my grade of hemmoriods tho.....but most prob is grade 2. A new specialist very fast came in to tell me go operation......but i declined. Initially was i went in with another gasteroenterologist to do normal scope, end up diagnosis is hemmoriods.

Every now and then sure got trigger episode and i think after that also got 2X serious bout, as serious as literally 3-5 days i sit down also pain until need to sit on 1 butt cheek only. Once serious enough that underwear also got blood from the sitting down. So yeah, not super benign type.
All times bioflavonoids, diosmin can help.

Now i know, first sign of itch, go hoot liao. It's like activated charcoal and food poisoning, first feeling of stomach got that wierd feeling, somewhat bloated, i go hoot liao. Dont let it lao sai or you kena fever, that time a bit late liao. People procrastinate and delay whenever they get food poisoning, it is largely treatable one, but gotta act very fast, plus sufficient charcoal tabs (every few hours 6-12 x 250mg with initial loading dosage 12-18 tablets/capsules if serious wanna vomit kinda feeling, i am not joking....)

And oh yeah......after this if got lao sai, the hemmoriods axe hole itchy feeling sure come one. Very common.

ps I hate operations.
 
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I think changing training time period is most practical for us. Arm sleeves and sunscreen a bit terok to be used in sports and training.......at least that is how i feel.

Start the day early ba........end before 8am, at most extend to 8am. Zero worries liao.
This works for us as well, coz the temperature damn terok.


Wearing protection will be more cost-effective.


I can't help with timing—I work shifts, so I only have time for a brisk walk during certain periods, like at night or around noon.
 

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that's what he said !

Basket, talking about similar, nowadays i barely can stand up......serious. Hence i even asked about replacement T terapy if anyone here got do or not.

No access to viagra too. So i just DIY sua.

I more scared about prostate issues (and the C word), to be honest. The risk is actually same as Breast for women, both of which are above colorectal.
 

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Basket, talking about similar, nowadays i barely can stand up......serious. Hence i even asked about replacement T terapy if anyone here got do or not.

No access to viagra too. So i just DIY sua.

I more scared about prostate issues (and the C word), to be honest. The risk is actually same as Breast for women, both of which are above colorectal.

huh, cannot stand so DIY ?
 

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No joke.

Actually, runners here, even 3-5k runners, shd come to Pinnacle Duxton or similar 43-49 sty HDBs and try running up, 2 steps at a time. Can be considered to be somewhat decent high rep strength training mixed with cardio, do it slow controlled rep.....zone 2 if your base is good enough and you are able to, that'll guarantee more emphasis on strength aspect. So, 2 in 1.
That time 2016 to around 2019 i climbed stairs only, before i started to do racewalking, bloody boring tho.

If really serious about power generation / resistance, go pack your backpack and buy some drinks and put in it .

I actually use that sometimes with bands, i go Kun Hai / Scarlet load up my 500ml bottles of Kang Shi bo teas (max 15 bottles, so 7.5kg) and also my resistance bands to do my dips. Resistance bands only really train the top/fully extended part of the dip where the band tension is highest.


I actually did serapong hill Sentosa with a mini test last weekend, strength quite impt.....i managed to slowly climb up (bicycle) with my HR getting past Z2 a bit (max 138, otherwise low 130s...prefer to be not over 130 but not in my current fitness state). Cannot stop/fall down....anyway regardless if stop coz insufficient strength while trying to keep low HR , it's literally impossible to start on the bike again unless skills very good.
 
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Wearing SCSM singlet leh...... mai siao siao

BTW, try not to use the railings for assistance. Do 8 - 12 reps of this would be good for those after longer distances. (go down take lifts of coz)

Timing for his 1 rep is 6:54.

 

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What is interesting is reading the comments on this video, there are many ang mo already owned this Dynafish XiaoNian.

 
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