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There are several ways you can try to get your money back:
1. File a police report
2. File a complaint at CASE
3. File a complaint to ACRA
4. File a complaint to their building landlord.
5. File a complaint to Singapore Immigration and Registration. These foreign talent give others a bad name.
6. Lodge your claim via Small Claims Tribunal
7. Engage a law firm and back it up with a lawsuit if you have to.
8. Go to their office during their presentations and let the people going in know what happened to you.

I was a naive victim of Colonial Strategies (CS, run by the same David George Grimes, Peter Mitch Mabbort and company)

1) I filed a police report, but no action taken by the authorities. They say they got to amass large number of victims but over the years I'm sure there are many victoms but how come still no action?!?!

2) I went to CASE, after which CS immediately ceased all direct communications with me. CASE become the middleman, just relay msg to & fro, no help at all. In fact few of us believe they offer more harm than help. What evidence we found, CASE informed CS, who in turn used it to further fine tune their contracts & tactics. I have compared my contract in 2010 with another guy from early 2009, we can see the "improvement" in the newer version.

3) I called ACRA, they just tell me they only take action if they infringe "company law"

4) never tried, but I guess most landlord in SG are greedy, so long as it's not formally illegal, they heck care whatever their tenants do.

5) never tried, but I guess ICA will act like the police.

6) That's what I did, got back my full amount :)

7) Planning to do that if SCT failed, lucky SCT judge ruled in my favor. I guess last thing those conmen want is mass media attention. If really have to take civil suit, I'll make sure the mass media knows of it. Guess our authorities only take serious action when everyone on street knows, eg the Sunshine Empire MLM.

8) I think someone did mention he went with a bunch of frens during their presentation, kick up a ruckus & got his money back. U got to find burly guys who can talk loud though :D

Have anyone:
1) Default payment totally and nothing happens, even after those threats of legal letters.
2) Get SCT's help?
3) Get one of these so call timeshare buyers' help successfully without getting money cheated again.

Thanks very much.

1) When I did not pay full to CS, they called me daily yo "remind" me, peppered with threats of lawyers, courts etc. Nothing happened to me.

2) SCT was a great help to most of us. Provided you fulfil their criteria.

3) My advice, don't get conned again.
 

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I am new to this website and was searching online for Titan Asset Management when i came across this forum. I was told by Titan too that they will be able to terminate my Viva Le Concierge membership and recover back the investment. I am not sure if i should believe them so i would appreciate if anyone can advise me if they had managed to recover back any of the monies

For the information of all timeshares owners, i did an ACRA search on Titan Asset Management. They are a limited exempt private company which is just incorporated on 10 May 2011 with a paid up capital of $100.

On top of that the sole director of the company is actually the director of ELITE NETWORKs CORPORATION PTE LTD which is also another timeshare company located in Ngee Ann City. Hope the information helps for other time share owners

whoever told you that they can help you, most probably a scam. same thing happened to my friend. Lucky I stopped her before she took up 25k credit card loan to pay for the "court" fee. We checkout the acedamy of law website and the company that claim they are law firm, isn't in the list of registered law firm.
 

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Im stucked with a GSI agreement also that I signed in 07.

I was called by elite networks too. anka_83, did you go down? I have not and I have my doubts of what they can do. SCAM I suspect.

For SCT, I read on the website if your claim is less than 10k and within a year since you signed the agreement, then you can try. Mine is a few year already, looks like I can forget about SCT.

I have tried defaulting on my payment as well, but end up getting a registered mail threatening me to pay up before they send me a legal letter. So I went back to my GIRO payment again.

Anyone have actually successfully get rid of their agreement? I don't care if I can get the money back or not. I just want to get rid of it.

Have anyone:
1) Default payment totally and nothing happens, even after those threats of legal letters.
2) Get SCT's help?
3) Get one of these so call timeshare buyers' help successfully without getting money cheated again.

Thanks very much.

No worries dude, just one of the usual tactics to milk more money out from you. I've accompany my friend to get legal consultant on this before. According to the lawyer, if they sue you, they'll have to payout whatever incentives that they're suppose to pay my friend first. Too costly and not worth it. Just ignore even if they sent you lawyer letter.
 

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AX Holdings...

Just canceled my appt with AX Holdings today @ Burlington... The person was damned pissed off after asking for my reason of cancellation - as if I care!!! He gave personal assurance that there will be no hard selling etc, can walk away with the free gift after the 75 mins of presentation... blah!! blah!!

Maybe can anyone truly share if they'd gotten such a good deal [just plainly attending the session for the whole duration & walked away with the free gifts as promised without being harassed/ pressured to sign/ buy any deals/ packages??]... Think I still strongly believe that "Nothing is for FREE" in this world; if it's FREE, be cautious!!! :s8:

If these companies are really scam, is there any way they can be highlighted to the relevant authorities?? These "black sheeps" are really giving a bad reputation to Singapore & also cheating away the hard-earned $$$ of us!!! We should not condone their actions & see more innocent & gullible people being swindled of their $$$ - & let them continue to be let off & enjoy their lives @ our expenses!!!
 

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Herold International Service

herold intnl act a a legal adviser. they are different from harold intnl - pls take note.

Hi June10

Have you engage herold to cancel & recover your membership? How's progress now? Are they truly genuine? :s11:
 

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Herold International

Received call from this Herold International, was trying to search for detail of anyone gone there but last i manage to find was someone recommend to go there but did not give detail ......can anyone share some light on this

Hi Kendoall

Yes I receive call from them too...Have you been there? Do you think they are genuine? I've placed deposit...
 

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Hi June10

Have you engage herold to cancel & recover your membership? How's progress now? Are they truly genuine? :s11:


I've placed a deposit with Herold too but withdrawn it within the 5 day cooling period, due to some financial difficulties. Their charges are too high for me... So after some serious consideration, i decided not to go ahead.

Anybody had any experience with Rhino Consultancy? They are previously located at Temasek Boulevard but had recently moved to Giffard Mansion @ Balestier Road.
Would like to know more about this company.... Was approached by them to do a resale or termination of contract from D8.

Thanks in advance
 

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Herold International Singaopore?

before you ack that letter suggest you approach herold international first !

Hi, by mentioning Herold International in your thread, is there any possibility that you've received help/advice from them?

I'm in need of this information as I've got issues pertaining to Timeshare scams.

Please help!
 

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Herold International Singaopore?

Hi Kendoall

Yes I receive call from them too...Have you been there? Do you think they are genuine? I've placed deposit...

Hi,

We also received call from them. You mentioned that you'd placed deposit. How are their services? Are they genuine?

Please help! We're desperate for our timeshare issues too.

Thanks!
 

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My advise to all who were scammed/victimized, do not get conned again to putting more money down.

If you can get back your hard earned $$$, good for you, if not just treat it as a expensive lesson learnt, spread the words to others to prevent them being conned. Do not give more $$$ to those con artist to spend.

FYI, the company (CS, now changed name & shifted to OCBC centre) that sells dubious timeshare also sell services tht "help" people offload their existing timeshare, landbanking.
 

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Herold International - ATC timeshare

Hello All,

I have been receiving many calls from Herold Intl recently regarding the timeshare I'm holding. They mentioned working hand-in-hand with developer (ATC in my case - I think) to assist people like me in Singapore.

They also mentioned that any termination letter must be from ATC Thailand and not their Singapore office. So wonder why ATC set up office in Singapore then..?

Any of you out there have dealing with Herold Intl? If yes, how is the outcome? Also, anyone sucessfully terminate with ATC?

Regards,
Francis
 

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Discovery8

Did any1 manage to cancel the membership for discovery8 without paying extra $$

I have pay 50% of the 25 year membership which about 9k.

I went CASE mid june to get them to help me to write a letter to discovery8 to get them cancel my membership without paying extra.

End up discovery8 call me last nite n told me i need to pay 30% of the balance amount before i can cancel my membership.

So i went CASE today again. The officer told me, CASE can only help me to nego to pay lower amount but they cant help me to get them to waive off the 30% which i suppose to pay.

Tat officer even advise me if i do not wish to pay to cancel the membership i just ignore their call n lawyer as discovery8 or timeshare will seldom send the lawyer letter or court summon to get the $$ as discovery8 need to pay alot more just to get the balance back.

I wish to know for those ppl who buy frm discovery8. did anyone of you manage to cancel the membership without paying?
Or even ignore them will do without any legal issue involved.
 

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For those who have received calls from company who said they'll help ppl like you, IGNORE THEM!

Most likely it's a scam. my friend was scammed a total of 50k over 8yrs from 4 different companies because she always believe it when they said they'll help her get her money back.
 

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Guys, anyone can adv.. My wife have stop payment to ERI n we have recrive a lawyer letter from ERI. We willing to forgo the 16k we have paid.
We went to the CASE but they can't do anything.what should we do?? I don't wished to carry on paying them $$
 

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Guys, anyone can adv.. My wife have stop payment to ERI n we have recrive a lawyer letter from ERI. We willing to forgo the 16k we have paid.
We went to the CASE but they can't do anything.what should we do?? I don't wished to carry on paying them $$

Just ignore them. There is nothing you can do about your timeshare, nor do you need to keep on paying if you do not intend to use it anymore.
 

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Just ignore them. There is nothing you can do about your timeshare, nor do you need to keep on paying if you do not intend to use it anymore.


To all fellow timeshare victimes:

Whatever the case, we, timeshare holders, must stop believing that timeshares can be terminated by other party because it simply cannot be done so through a 3rd party (unless you sign off authorizing a lawyer or arbitrator to act on your behalf - in which case will cause you lots of legal fees). Anyway, the timeshare contract is biased and there is no exit clause, so may not be valid in court. I have heard from lawyers that a good valid contract always comes with termination clauses. For e.g. see your telco contracts for mobile phone subscription. If any term is unclear in a contract, it is subject to negotiation between the parties in the contract.

We must also stop believing that timeshares can be sold/transferred because this industry is not regulated. Why would anyone buy over something that is deem no good by so many of us, unless that someone is a person who truly appreciate timeshare and doesn't mind paying for it (see Tuesday Straits Times Life), or that someone is just like us when we first buy it, succumbing to hard sell or con technique. In such case, by your conscience, would you still want to transfer your liability to another potential victim?

On the same note about selling/transferring timeshare, nobody would help you sell/transfer your timeshare unless the deal maker (I call it broker) gets benefit out of the deal. Industry names this benefit as "commission" or "broker fee". If you choose to seek this path, you can offer to pay the broker whenever the deal is done, not pay him in advance for any administration fee. Just like when you sell a house, the agent only get paid when the deal is completed. However, I won't even consider selling an "apple" that I bought especially since I know the "apple" is bad inside. In addition, the timeshare companies would never help you sell/transfer timeshare because it is not in their interest to do so. If there is a willing buyer, they might as well sell a new timeshare, getting a new person to pay additional maintenance fee (note that there is no limit to the timeshares, unlike company shares which is regulated). Why would the companies compromise their existing revenue?

Then do you continue paying the maintenance fee for your timeshare? Ask yourself, do you believe in paying for something that you do not want anymore? There are sure ways to terminate it yourself, at least on your own wishful thinking. For me, it is as simplier as not continuing to paying for my timeshare. If the company sue me, I will be happy to challenge them in Court and let the Judge decides who is right or wrong. I have confident in my case, some facts such as "pressure selling", misrepresentations, skewed contract, sure can win over the jury. I know they won't take legal action because this will make those timeshare or marketing companies look worst.

I give you examples of common contracts that terminate naturally in this way. E.g. telco, utilities contract. Usually, the service provider will revoke the service and refuse dealing with you until you pay up what you had used. The service provider can sue you for the arrears of what you had used, not what you are supposed to pay under the contract but didn't use. An e.g. closer to timeshare is the membership fees that members are paying for using the clubs, say a country club. Even if you don't pay the monthly subscription fee, a club will just refuse service to you, void your membership and bar you from the club.

An even closer e.g. but not so applicable (because Timeshare is a membership of owning vacation, not owning holiday properties); the monthly maintenance fee for condominum. It is true that you have to pay the maintenance fee as long as you own the strata title and the Strata Management Committee has the right to recover arrears from owners even if they don't stay in the property. But hey, strata title is limited and owner physically own a property. How is Timeshare comparable? Definitely no. Not even certificates, like company shares, are issued, only paper contract. Nor does it really have an intrinsic value (this being derive from something that has abundance supply, thus has limited value) to be resold. Landbanking is better because at least they issue title deeds, just not sure how valid it is when things happen.

Hope this gives you light. Anyway, money lost is lost, just stop it from losing more and don't dwell over it. Find peace within yourself and move on.
 

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Wow, I thought these kind of timeshare scams has died down. I was once approached too on orchard road and they said I won the big prize after some card scracthing but I told them if it's so good, they can keep it for themselves.

Idon't believe in freebies dropping from the sky.
 

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Hi,

We also received call from them. You mentioned that you'd placed deposit. How are their services? Are they genuine?

Please help! We're desperate for our timeshare issues too.

Thanks!

dun sign any doc with any company who call u tat they can recover ur lost $$, u will end up paying another papers u sign,
the timeshare tat u buy , no ppl will wan to buy frm u. all is a scam. dun believe them.
 

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iDiscover

Hi,

I have been reading this thread recently and realized I have also been scammed. I signed up for the membership last Dec (in 2010) and has been paid the $10K using credit card via installment.

May I ask what I can do now to stop paying and cancel the membership? Because it was paid via credit card, I cannot simply stop paying as I am actually paying the bank now. It's ok if I cannot recover my payment for the past 6 months, but I don't want to continue paying for it.

Please advise.
 

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idiscover sucks

Hi,

I have been reading this thread recently and realized I have also been scammed. I signed up for the membership last Dec (in 2010) and has been paid the $10K using credit card via installment.

May I ask what I can do now to stop paying and cancel the membership? Because it was paid via credit card, I cannot simply stop paying as I am actually paying the bank now. It's ok if I cannot recover my payment for the past 6 months, but I don't want to continue paying for it.

Please advise.

I cancel my policy since May waited till now refund not in yet. Keep on saying the cheque is not ready all these bull****. Anyone face same problem or want cancel policy pls call me at 9299926.
 
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