Must read : Time Share Scam Awareness! Don't be the next victim!

[khimkee]

which support group u mean??

 

[kamakama]

I'm in the midst of fighting to get my money back... Please help!

@Pooh Lover: The person that you came in contact with is the same as the person who scammed and swiped my card without permission and trapped me into signing the contract for the new proposal... I'm now in the midst of trying to get the money back... I've been in contact with the police, banks and even CASE. CASE confirmed that I still fall under the Consumer's Protection (Fair Trading) Act of 5-days cooling off period for timeshare, timeshare-related and direct sales contract.. They have also prepared a letter and had me hand-deliver them with a due date of 30-Apr-12 for the company to respond to my cancellation notice and refund request.. But this Gary is nowhere to be contacted... If all else failed, I may need to go to the Small Claims Tribunal as well...

Where is this support group that I can contact??

 

[kamakama]

Yes, I was scammed last Sep. I paid $3,500 deposit. I went to the Small Claims Tribunal. Thank God, after the due process (which was long-drawn and a hassle), I managed to get back my hard-earned $$$ end of January this year. If you need help let me know.

Hi monkfish, I might need to go to the Small Claims Tribunal too. Can you please PM me? I need your advise on how to go through the procedures...

 

[maverick5595]

Hi to go to small claim court. You will need 3 copies of the claim form, photostat your ic , the scam company profile , the photostated contract. You have to google the sct yourself as I cannot post web link. Yesterday CASE got injunction against the crappy concorde and the crappy Boston Venture was mentioned. Google for it.

 

[kamakama]

Thanks maverick5595 for the information - I've found the report as well.

Just an update in case anyone is in similar situation. I've just response call from Gary, the guy from the discovery group. He said that the company will not be complying to my cancellation and refund request. He claimed that the agreement I signed was not a new contract but rather a service that the company provides. He also said that the company is not a timeshare nor timeshare-related and that they will be liaising directly with CASE to confirm this. I told them that I will be filing this in the Small Claims Tribunal, and he confidently said, "you go ahead and do that". I'm afraid that they might have found a loophole against the Consumer Protection (Fair Trading) Act... In any case, I will be heading down to CASE tomorrow to file this case with them before finally heading to Small Claims Tribunal by the end of the due date. Wish me luck.

 

[zong76]

Asia Travel Club.

Hi,

I was naive and ignorant 9 years ago in 2003 when I signed up a 10k package with ATC/IRN. I used the member once only. For the next 9 years, I did not receive any updates or info from them. Suddenly, this evening 5pm+ they called me up and asked me if im still a member and whether did i pay my maintenance fees. I scolded the other party but she just told me to go down to their office and clarify things out and pay for cancellation fees.....What can i do? Please advice me.

 

[Biosector]

Hi,

I was naive and ignorant 9 years ago in 2003 when I signed up a 10k package with ATC/IRN. I used the member once only. For the next 9 years, I did not receive any updates or info from them. Suddenly, this evening 5pm+ they called me up and asked me if im still a member and whether did i pay my maintenance fees. I scolded the other party but she just told me to go down to their office and clarify things out and pay for cancellation fees.....What can i do? Please advice me.

do not pay it. ask for a copy of the contract, if there's any proper one. if not, screw them.

 

[simlimsquaresafeshopping]

with lemon law out now, should be easier to get refunds and proper answers from these companies...

 

[mingli983]

cours montreux

sigh i've fallen for the cours montreux scam too!

am now paying up the 5.5K for half of the membership. became a member last year and only had one successful deal with them!

can anybody help? do i still go to CASE and file against them now?

regretting my ignorance to the max now.

 

[Biosector]

sigh i've fallen for the cours montreux scam too!

am now paying up the 5.5K for half of the membership. became a member last year and only had one successful deal with them!

can anybody help? do i still go to CASE and file against them now?

regretting my ignorance to the max now.

haiz.. " you cant con an honest man".. <-- Hustle series.. lol.. go CASE and invoke the lemon law. might help

 

[THOR666]

CONNECTION TOURS

i have been to connection tours and travel last september and did a termination for my cvc membership which i purchased with lgm and they sent me to murthy and co advocates for the termination process and last month i got my money back about 33k as wat they have told me so i dont thik its a scam

@Victim of Scam
I have been to connection tours and travel last september and did a termination for my cvc membership which i purchased with lgm and they sent me to murthy and co advocates for the termination process and last month i got my money back about 33k as wat they have told me so i dont thik its a scam
Same as you, we hv to wait, within 45days they say will refund our money.B4 we go down to their office, my husband checked with Case, what we supposed to do to prevent getting conned further. Case told us to send a registered letter of termination of the aggreement, so we did. We even go down personnally to give them the letter.As for the registered mail, is a precaution, if they did not refund us the money as agreed. Then we can report them to case and the authorities. When we first hand them the letter, the "Bobby Wiranto" the so called Boss told us to go somewhere and come back half an hours time, and everything will be ready. When we came back this guy told us to go next door to the Dynamitz tour office, and an Indian guy attend to us. He didn't give the letter of termination, but tried to con us further, by telling us some other crap, and continue with the membership. We told him we are not interested and we are in a hurry. So he told us to wait again while he get a form to fill in. A few minutes later he gave us the termination letter. they are all full of ****s and craps. they won't stop until they hv con us enough. When we were there, there were 2 couples waiting to be con. Pity on them, I just wish I could tell them that those people were scammers. My husband told me not to create a fuss there or we will not get our money back.We did not tell them that we know abt their scams, not for now, until we get our money back.

 

[THOR666]

cvc

have been to connection tours and travel last september and did a termination for my cvc membership which i purchased with lgm and they sent me to murthy and co advocates for the termination process and last month i got my money back about 33k as wat they have told me so i dont think its a scam

Would like to alert Concepts Vacation Club (CVC) Members to exercise caution when dealing with these 3 companies:

1. Concepts Club Services Pte Ltd @ POMO Building

• claimed to be the authorised service centre for CVC, including collection of maintenance fees from CVC Members
• company's logo looks like CVC
• has old documents from the defunct LGM Singapore Branch

2. Connection Tours & Travel @ Orchard Towers

• according to CVC's website, this company is the corporate office in Singapore
• claimed to be servicing CVC Members too and said that Concepts Club Services Pte Ltd is related to CVC

3. Dynamikz Netwerkz @ Orchard Towers

• Connection Tours & Travel uses this company's letterhead and rubber stamp in the documentation for a timeshare-related transaction

NOTE:

1. Concepts Club Services Pte Ltd and Connection Tours & Travel have a business relationship;

2. CVC Membership Services has however confirmed that CVC does not have any relationship with Concepts Club Services Pte Ltd;

3. To date, CVC Membership Services has not verified the information provided in CVC's website stating that Connection Tours & Travel is CVC's corporate office in Singapore.

 

[THOR666]

i got this from cvc website as i still got the login id before and i have also been to i generic before going to connection tous as i generic tried to upgrade or sell me another produck so i went to connection tours last sept and last mont i have recived my money back with a profit 33k beware of i generic as they are still on marketing basis for lgm and garraway they are not as honest as connection tours who will assit members Singapore - All CVC Member Enquiries


I-Generic B&M Tel: 68874780 Email: enquiries@igenericbm.com.sg Effective July 1st 2011 CVC has appointed the following servicing companies to replace Concepts Travel Services Pte Ltd in the delivery of travel and membership services for CVC in Singapore

Connection Tours Pte Ltd, a Singapore licensed travel agency, has been appointed to perform all travel servicing (including collection of annual dues) for CVC in Singapore

I-Generic B&M Pte Ltd has been appointed to undertake all other member servicing/enquiries in relation to CVC Memberships purchased from marketing agents in Singapore.

Connection Tours Pte Ltd contact details are as follows:

Connection Tours and Travel, 400 Orchard Road #04-24, Orchard Towers - Singapore 238875, Tel : (65) 67338484, Email : singapore@conceptsvacationclub.com

I-Generic B&M Pte Ltd contact details are as follows:

I-Generic B&M Pte Ltd , 89A Killiney Road Singapore 239534, Tel: (65) 68874780 or (65) 68874783, Email: enquiries@igenericbm.com.sg

CVC with its new service partners will continue to provide members great resort accommodation deals and other travel services together with exceptional membership servicing.

We encourage you to contact our new service partners for all your travel and member servicing needs.

Yours sincerely,

Concepts Vacation Club

have been to connection tours and travel last september and did a termination for my cvc membership which i purchased with lgm and they sent me to murthy and co advocates for the termination process and last month i got my money back about 33k as wat they have told me so i dont think its a scam

 

[THOR666]

i got this from cvc website as i still got the login id before and i have also been to i generic before going to connection tous as i generic tried to upgrade or sell me another produck so i went to connection tours last sept and last mont i have recived my money back with a profit 33k beware of i generic as they are still on marketing basis for lgm and garraway they are not as honest as connection tours who will assit members Singapore - All CVC Member Enquiries


I-Generic B&M Tel: 68874780 Email: enquiries@igenericbm.com.sg Effective July 1st 2011 CVC has appointed the following servicing companies to replace Concepts Travel Services Pte Ltd in the delivery of travel and membership services for CVC in Singapore

Connection Tours Pte Ltd, a Singapore licensed travel agency, has been appointed to perform all travel servicing (including collection of annual dues) for CVC in Singapore

I-Generic B&M Pte Ltd has been appointed to undertake all other member servicing/enquiries in relation to CVC Memberships purchased from marketing agents in Singapore.

Connection Tours Pte Ltd contact details are as follows:

Connection Tours and Travel, 400 Orchard Road #04-24, Orchard Towers - Singapore 238875, Tel : (65) 67338484, Email : singapore@conceptsvacationclub.com

I-Generic B&M Pte Ltd contact details are as follows:

I-Generic B&M Pte Ltd , 89A Killiney Road Singapore 239534, Tel: (65) 68874780 or (65) 68874783, Email: enquiries@igenericbm.com.sg

CVC with its new service partners will continue to provide members great resort accommodation deals and other travel services together with exceptional membership servicing.

We encourage you to contact our new service partners for all your travel and member servicing needs.

Yours sincerely,

Concepts Vacation Club

 

[henry832]

beware of Asialinx, better not to meet them

 

[jasonaw]

Hi PoohLover,

I think we should be together in this, I have also met them up regarding my iDiscover package, and was contemplating taking the same actions as you have.

*** I did a ACRA business search on the so called "trustee" company called The Gold Guarantee, it is ALSO owned by the boss of The Discovery Group "Mr Lee". How can the same owner be both the issuer of the so called "warrant", that guarantees the payout, and at the same time be the trustee? It's like saying give me cash to buy gold from me, I will keep the gold in trust for you and guarantee return it to you in 15 years time plus interest.

When I questioned them about the how I can trust the trustee, they just shooed me off that I can either face the fact that I need to repay the rest of the amount owed for the iDiscover scheme, or let them manage the scheme by topping up an amount.

This same owner now owns all the shares of iDiscover, with the "old" boss Jerry Tan still listed a director.

They told you they spent $1 mil to buy the company? Today they told me is $3mil. Everything is just not right - nothing is truth from them.

Anyone else being scammed by iDiscover and The Discovery Group should try and join together to see how we can help ourselves. Either by going to CASE, hire a lawyer together to bring a class-action suit against them to revoke the contracts we have with them, or even report their unscrupulous scheme to CAD for investigations.

Please PM or text me at 93840020


Jason

My wife and I were also conned by the above scammers, We were asked to meet them today, after we lodged a CASE complain against them about changing T&C (USD change to Euro) and having very poor after-sales and product.

When we reached there, they told us up-front that they will not refund us any of our $10,500 already paid to them (despite the fact that we have not used their service, due to the limited hotels and discounts offered) because the previous owner (iDiscover) has "taken away" the money and the new owner (a certain Mr Lee, owner of Discover Group) bought up iDiscover (so-called) and himself is looking to recover the cost by getting us to pay the remaining $10,500 (total of $21,000 in all) or alternatively, change our so-called travel service into some kind of "consolidated investment" with unbelievable compounded returns of 23% over 15 years ($73,000 returns for $26,000 investment - the new "investment" plan has more cash top-up). It even beats what George Soros or Warren Buffet can do (simply too good to be true).

When asked what backs up such a ridiculous claim or "promise" (the "Business Manager", Gary said that it's not a promise himself), we were shown a sample of the 3 "gold warrent" certificates signed for by a certain unheard of "Gold Pte Ltd" (which itself is not being monitored by MAS), probably some commodity derivative of gold (which is sky-high at the moment), provided the gold does exists and the warrant or underwriting company are real and does not "default". Not trusting any of these, we refused to submit to either of these 2 options, which required even more money.

Out of curiosity, I asked Gary why would that "Mr Lee" want to buy such a scam company like iDiscover, which already has so many complains and has very poor after-sales/mediocre product-line. The answer very much surprised me - aside from Mr Lee being very rich (net-worth 20 million and can spent millions easily), the new owners want to change the direction of the company, such that the existing 5000 members can take their minds of travel (meaning no longer interested in providing this service) and instead wait every 5 years for the pay-out return of $23,000 each time (aka that "investment" thing, backed by the 3 "gold warrants"). No thanks, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Side note, assuming $1 million was spent to buy the iDiscover scam company solely to get hold of the 5000 sheeps (previous owners already "ran away" with previous deposits), each sheep is only worth $200 to the new owner. Thus, only 71 more sheeps to cough out $10,500 to break even...

Sigh, takes an unethical businessman to buy a legalized ah long...

 

[jasonaw]

Hi. I am also looking at a recourse against them. Please contact me so we can work on this together?

Thanks maverick5595 for the information - I've found the report as well.

Just an update in case anyone is in similar situation. I've just response call from Gary, the guy from the discovery group. He said that the company will not be complying to my cancellation and refund request. He claimed that the agreement I signed was not a new contract but rather a service that the company provides. He also said that the company is not a timeshare nor timeshare-related and that they will be liaising directly with CASE to confirm this. I told them that I will be filing this in the Small Claims Tribunal, and he confidently said, "you go ahead and do that". I'm afraid that they might have found a loophole against the Consumer Protection (Fair Trading) Act... In any case, I will be heading down to CASE tomorrow to file this case with them before finally heading to Small Claims Tribunal by the end of the due date. Wish me luck.

 

[jasonaw]

Hi Natasa,

I am in the same situation as you. I think we can do something about it.
Please PM or SMS me, 93840020.

Jason

Hi Everyone. I am also a victim of idiscover in 2009 ... and have instructed them to sell my membership since 2010 ... which of cse till now has NOT been sold. They have since being bought over (so call) and is now THE DISCOVERY GROUP PTE LTD. I went down last sat to their new office (Colin called and said to update me on the membership), and realise i CANNOT SELL my membership anymore! The only option i have left is to PUMP IN MORE CASH ... to get a GOLD WARRANT! Can we go to the CASE TOGETHER! I have already paid my membership in full, and seems like its GONE.

 

[THOR666]

cvc

ignore this joker - he is definitely a crony from connections/dynamikz...visit the other thread on the thailand/dynamikz saga and join the dots....

a good samartian i believe i know that you were the ex lgm staff that sold me a cvc membership not only me you have scammed a lot of ppl at least connection tours and travel was there to help me recover my monies .......good samartian (roslan)

 

[THOR666]

concepts vacation club

i got this from cvc website as i still got the login id before and i have also been to i generic before going to connection tous as i generic tried to upgrade or sell me another produck so i went to connection tours last sept and last mont i have recived my money back with a profit 33k beware of i generic as they are still on marketing basis for lgm and garraway they are not as honest as connection tours who will assit members Singapore - All CVC Member Enquiries


I-Generic B&M Tel: 68874780 Email: enquiries@igenericbm.com.sg Effective July 1st 2011 CVC has appointed the following servicing companies to replace Concepts Travel Services Pte Ltd in the delivery of travel and membership services for CVC in Singapore

Connection Tours Pte Ltd, a Singapore licensed travel agency, has been appointed to perform all travel servicing (including collection of annual dues) for CVC in Singapore

I-Generic B&M Pte Ltd has been appointed to undertake all other member servicing/enquiries in relation to CVC Memberships purchased from marketing agents in Singapore.

Connection Tours Pte Ltd contact details are as follows:

Connection Tours and Travel, 400 Orchard Road #04-24, Orchard Towers - Singapore 238875, Tel : (65) 67338484, Email : singapore@conceptsvacationclub.com

I-Generic B&M Pte Ltd contact details are as follows:

I-Generic B&M Pte Ltd , 89A Killiney Road Singapore 239534, Tel: (65) 68874780 or (65) 68874783, Email: enquiries@igenericbm.com.sg

CVC with its new service partners will continue to provide members great resort accommodation deals and other travel services together with exceptional membership servicing.

We encourage you to contact our new service partners for all your travel and member servicing needs.

Yours sincerely,

Concepts Vacation Club