Proposal Ring - Part 2

[bedposthalo]

This is the H&A image of 1 of the diamonds i am considering, captured on my phone with the help of Casey..

This is the H&A image of the same diamond as above but captured by JannPaul.
They look exactly the same in symmetry. Only diff is the version provided by JP is brighter and more saturated.

 

[hollander]

This is the H&A image of 1 of the diamonds i am considering, captured on my phone with the help of Casey..

This is the H&A image of the same diamond as above but captured by JannPaul.
They look exactly the same in symmetry. Only diff is the version provided by JP is brighter and more saturated.

You have a very nice H&A, Super Ideal Round. Care to share the size and price thru PM? Thanks.

 

[Glitzger]

Went down to JP to view our customised wedding bands over the weekend and we were quite disappointed with the results after a year of discussion and anticipation. The wedding bands look quite different from the 3D imaging. Perhaps it was due to the use of serif fonts so while on 3D images, the curved ends of the letters look nice and elegant, it was not possible to replicate the same effect on the actual bands. In the end, the fonts look cheap, kiddy and clumsy. Wished that they would have warned us about the difference in the look and perhaps we will not have selected that font or not included text at all. We were also kind of surprised that they didn't do QC before showing us the bands. We are hoping now they can make the changes we want within the next two weeks. Haiz..

 

[Dicer181]

Here it is....

From my understanding, the polish/symmetry for the brilliant rose usually very good/very good or good/good.. its seldom excellent/excellent.

To sum things up, the
brilliant rose - 66 facets, no hearts and arrows
destinee royale - 81 facets, 10 hearts and arrows
solasfera - 91 facets, 10 hearts and arrows

It's a pity that the brilliant rose and destinee royale don't have the Ideal and ASET scope to compare the light performance... cos sometimes the shops put the diamond under the strong spotlight, which can be quite biased..

Found the gemex report of the brilliant rose aka leo diamond

Leo Schachter Diamonds – 4 generations of master diamond artisans handcraft the world’s most brilliant diamond.

compared with the solasfera
which scores the highest for all three points

You can see the performance of the solasfera compared to other diamonds here.. but one thing about hearts and arrows diamonds is you can see the arrows burning in the diamond.. for the modified rounds with no hearts and arrows, i find their sparkles to be smaller and abit messier..

Don't forget, when a diamond hits 0.7ct, it take a price premium too...

----Add on-----
Interesting review of the Leo Cut

Review of a Leo Cut : FAQ • Diamond Jewelry Forum - Compare Diamond Prices, Discussions & Diamond Information

The brilliant rose / leo diamond ideal scope

The solasfera ideal scope

Thanks! That's alot to digest... I went to see the Destinee royal yesterday and it was $10,100 for a 0.58 carat vs1 e... Wanted to compare the prices with Jann Paul's Solasfera but they were all busy with appointments... was told I needed to make an appointment for a session.. I scheduled myself for this weekend.. wait time is not too bad

 

[hollander]

Went down to JP to view our customised wedding bands over the weekend and we were quite disappointed with the results after a year of discussion and anticipation. The wedding bands look quite different from the 3D imaging. Perhaps it was due to the use of serif fonts so while on 3D images, the curved ends of the letters look nice and elegant, it was not possible to replicate the same effect on the actual bands. In the end, the fonts look cheap, kiddy and clumsy. Wished that they would have warned us about the difference in the look and perhaps we will not have selected that font or not included text at all. We were also kind of surprised that they didn't do QC before showing us the bands. We are hoping now they can make the changes we want within the next two weeks. Haiz..

That is sad to hear, what is the word from them about the outcome of your engagement ring? was it the engraving that was not met from the 3D image? are they willing to change it though you only have 2 weeks?

Do they have actual good looking engraving that you can choose from?

 

[NavalkruS]

Need some advice. I recently bought a diamond ring from Lee Hwa. At first I thought I got a good deal for a 0.43ct. E VVS2 for $4k.. and it is a triple excellent. It was only when I compared it with my friend’s diamond, that I realize my diamond looks sub-standard. My friends diamond is a 0.41ct. G VS1.

It looked more yellow even though my friend’s diamond was a G colour. It was obvious that my diamond had less sparkles and dull. It even looked slightly smaller even though mine is 0.02ct. bigger. I was hoping that maybe it was dirt on the diamond and tried washing it. I even brought it back to the shop to ask them to wash it thoroughly for me. But it made no difference.

When I went to check on my diamond, I read that IGI certificates are sub-standards and is not as good as GIA certificates. What pissed me off the most is that the sales guy clearly told me that IGI was as good as GIA! He told me that the standard was the same and it is popular. Am I able to bring this to the Singapore Consumer Association to complain of them deceiving me?

I came across this HCA tool Holloway Cut Advisor | HCA Tool | PriceScope that you guys are using for a diamond score. One of the factors needed is the depth % of the diamond, which my IGI certificate doesn’t even have.. argh.
I’m more or less convinced that I got screwed over.. You think I can try to get a refund by reporting to CASE?

 

[jhchoo85]

Need some advice. I recently bought a diamond ring from Lee Hwa. At first I thought I got a good deal for a 0.43ct. E VVS2 for $4k.. and it is a triple excellent. It was only when I compared it with my friend’s diamond, that I realize my diamond looks sub-standard. My friends diamond is a 0.41ct. G VS1.

It looked more yellow even though my friend’s diamond was a G colour. It was obvious that my diamond had less sparkles and dull. It even looked slightly smaller even though mine is 0.02ct. bigger. I was hoping that maybe it was dirt on the diamond and tried washing it. I even brought it back to the shop to ask them to wash it thoroughly for me. But it made no difference.

When I went to check on my diamond, I read that IGI certificates are sub-standards and is not as good as GIA certificates. What pissed me off the most is that the sales guy clearly told me that IGI was as good as GIA! He told me that the standard was the same and it is popular. Am I able to bring this to the Singapore Consumer Association to complain of them deceiving me?

I came across this HCA tool Holloway Cut Advisor | HCA Tool | PriceScope that you guys are using for a diamond score. One of the factors needed is the depth % of the diamond, which my IGI certificate doesn’t even have.. argh.
I’m more or less convinced that I got screwed over.. You think I can try to get a refund by reporting to CASE?

Sorry to hear that bro… IGI does have a softer standard. That’s why they are often priced cheaper than GIA. You can trying lodging a report to the Singapore Consumer Associated but I doubt they can do much about it.. After all, what was said to you was all verbal and they can always deny what they said to you. But you can try calling their hotline for advice.
Yeah, your IGI certificate does not show the Depth%. You can manually calculate it yourself by taking the depth mm divided by the width mm. So yours is 3.03 divide by 4.81 = 62.9%. (depth is too long)
From your certificate, your diamond has a HCA score of 4.0

GIA vs. AGS vs. EGL vs. others - Diamond Review Forum

GIA vs. IGI - Diamond Review Forum
Generally, the lower the cut, the less attractive the diamond is to sell. So they send it to other labs to make the diamond looks more attractive. It is up to the honesty of the seller to reveal the discrepancies to you.

 

[TurkMan]

Sorry to hear that bro… IGI does have a softer standard. That’s why they are often priced cheaper than GIA. You can trying lodging a report to the Singapore Consumer Associated but I doubt they can do much about it.. After all, what was said to you was all verbal and they can always deny what they said to you. But you can try calling their hotline for advice.
Yeah, your IGI certificate does not show the Depth%. You can manually calculate it yourself by taking the depth mm divided by the width mm. So yours is 3.03 divide by 4.81 = 62.9%. (depth is too long)
From your certificate, your diamond has a HCA score of 4.0

GIA vs. AGS vs. EGL vs. others - Diamond Review Forum

GIA vs. IGI - Diamond Review Forum
Generally, the lower the cut, the less attractive the diamond is to sell. So they send it to other labs to make the diamond looks more attractive. It is up to the honesty of the seller to reveal the discrepancies to you.

Do bear in mind that the HCA score is a filter only. It's not able to detect everything.. Still need to use the other scopes.

 

[hnrch42]

Need some advice. I recently bought a diamond ring from Lee Hwa. At first I thought I got a good deal for a 0.43ct. E VVS2 for $4k.. and it is a triple excellent. It was only when I compared it with my friend’s diamond, that I realize my diamond looks sub-standard. My friends diamond is a 0.41ct. G VS1.

It looked more yellow even though my friend’s diamond was a G colour. It was obvious that my diamond had less sparkles and dull. It even looked slightly smaller even though mine is 0.02ct. bigger. I was hoping that maybe it was dirt on the diamond and tried washing it. I even brought it back to the shop to ask them to wash it thoroughly for me. But it made no difference.

When I went to check on my diamond, I read that IGI certificates are sub-standards and is not as good as GIA certificates. What pissed me off the most is that the sales guy clearly told me that IGI was as good as GIA! He told me that the standard was the same and it is popular. Am I able to bring this to the Singapore Consumer Association to complain of them deceiving me?

I came across this HCA tool Holloway Cut Advisor | HCA Tool | PriceScope that you guys are using for a diamond score. One of the factors needed is the depth % of the diamond, which my IGI certificate doesn’t even have.. argh.
I’m more or less convinced that I got screwed over.. You think I can try to get a refund by reporting to CASE?

Have you got any photos of the actual ring?

 

[NavalkruS]

Sorry to hear that bro… IGI does have a softer standard. That’s why they are often priced cheaper than GIA. You can trying lodging a report to the Singapore Consumer Associated but I doubt they can do much about it.. After all, what was said to you was all verbal and they can always deny what they said to you. But you can try calling their hotline for advice.
Yeah, your IGI certificate does not show the Depth%. You can manually calculate it yourself by taking the depth mm divided by the width mm. So yours is 3.03 divide by 4.81 = 62.9%. (depth is too long)
From your certificate, your diamond has a HCA score of 4.0

GIA vs. AGS vs. EGL vs. others - Diamond Review Forum

GIA vs. IGI - Diamond Review Forum
Generally, the lower the cut, the less attractive the diamond is to sell. So they send it to other labs to make the diamond looks more attractive. It is up to the honesty of the seller to reveal the discrepancies to you.

I saw the HCA score video posted on JP facebook

My Leehwa diamond ring look so much worse then their 2.4 HCA!!
They did not explain about IGI certificate, only kept saying is a very good certificate and same as GIA just different company!
Blame myself for not doing more research..

 

[NavalkruS]

Have you got any photos of the actual ring?

I will post it when i have time..sianzzzz

 

[NavalkruS]

Do bear in mind that the HCA score is a filter only. It's not able to detect everything.. Still need to use the other scopes.

I am thinking of ordering one? Correct me if i am wrong, i need the heart-and-arrow... ideal-scope... aset-scope
Now the diamond is already in a ring..from what i read online, must be used on the diamond without the ring. still thinking to order or not..like no point already since already got the ring..

buy already i also dont know how to use anyway

 

[Des126]

I am thinking of ordering one? Correct me if i am wrong, i need the heart-and-arrow... ideal-scope... aset-scope
Now the diamond is already in a ring..from what i read online, must be used on the diamond without the ring. still thinking to order or not..like no point already since already got the ring..

buy already i also dont know how to use anyway

It is not a 57 facet Round Brilliant. The report indicated that it is a modified round brilliant.

What brand is this diamond from Lee Hwa?

 

[[GorgeouS]]

Thanks! That's alot to digest... I went to see the Destinee royal yesterday and it was $10,100 for a 0.58 carat vs1 e... Wanted to compare the prices with Jann Paul's Solasfera but they were all busy with appointments... was told I needed to make an appointment for a session.. I scheduled myself for this weekend.. wait time is not too bad

If I'm not wrong, you'll be able to get a Solasfera of the same specs at half that price.

 

[[GorgeouS]]

Sorry to hear that bro… IGI does have a softer standard. That’s why they are often priced cheaper than GIA. You can trying lodging a report to the Singapore Consumer Associated but I doubt they can do much about it.. After all, what was said to you was all verbal and they can always deny what they said to you. But you can try calling their hotline for advice.
Yeah, your IGI certificate does not show the Depth%. You can manually calculate it yourself by taking the depth mm divided by the width mm. So yours is 3.03 divide by 4.81 = 62.9%. (depth is too long)
From your certificate, your diamond has a HCA score of 4.0

GIA vs. AGS vs. EGL vs. others - Diamond Review Forum

GIA vs. IGI - Diamond Review Forum
Generally, the lower the cut, the less attractive the diamond is to sell. So they send it to other labs to make the diamond looks more attractive. It is up to the honesty of the seller to reveal the discrepancies to you.

Even if it's verbal, he might still have a chance. They mis-represented the diamond certificate by claiming it is on par with GIA when it's not. That's just dishonesty.

 

[jhchoo85]

Sorry to hear that bro… IGI does have a softer standard. That’s why they are often priced cheaper than GIA. You can trying lodging a report to the Singapore Consumer Associated but I doubt they can do much about it.. After all, what was said to you was all verbal and they can always deny what they said to you. But you can try calling their hotline for advice.
Yeah, your IGI certificate does not show the Depth%. You can manually calculate it yourself by taking the depth mm divided by the width mm. So yours is 3.03 divide by 4.81 = 62.9%. (depth is too long)
From your certificate, your diamond has a HCA score of 4.0

GIA vs. AGS vs. EGL vs. others - Diamond Review Forum

GIA vs. IGI - Diamond Review Forum
Generally, the lower the cut, the less attractive the diamond is to sell. So they send it to other labs to make the diamond looks more attractive. It is up to the honesty of the seller to reveal the discrepancies to you.

Oh yes. This is not a 57 faceted round. My bad! See the facet structure on the certificate, there is an extra facet on the bezel.
Should be the perfect rose range (73 facets). HCA score will not be applicable then.

 

[bedposthalo]

I am thinking of ordering one? Correct me if i am wrong, i need the heart-and-arrow... ideal-scope... aset-scope
Now the diamond is already in a ring..from what i read online, must be used on the diamond without the ring. still thinking to order or not..like no point already since already got the ring..

buy already i also dont know how to use anyway

Oh yes. This is not a 57 faceted round. My bad! See the facet structure on the certificate, there is an extra facet on the bezel.
Should be the perfect rose range (73 facets). HCA score will not be applicable then.

Perfect rose is very similar to Brilliant Rose with poorer light return and looser certificate of IGI.
Buy already then don't sad riaos. If not good enough for proposal ring then u can try reset it into a 4 dian jing and get another ring.

 

[babyjyo]

I am thinking of ordering one? Correct me if i am wrong, i need the heart-and-arrow... ideal-scope... aset-scope
Now the diamond is already in a ring..from what i read online, must be used on the diamond without the ring. still thinking to order or not..like no point already since already got the ring..

buy already i also dont know how to use anyway

You can use the scopes even if it is mounted. The only thing you cant see is the hearts. If you were to choose one, ideal scope is the most important.

 

[Glitzger]

That is sad to hear, what is the word from them about the outcome of your engagement ring? was it the engraving that was not met from the 3D image? are they willing to change it though you only have 2 weeks?

Do they have actual good looking engraving that you can choose from?

It's actually our wedding bands and not the engagement ring. Jann is currently getting their craftsman to rework it and he assures that the changes can be done. It's not really engraving but rose gold with enamel. Hopefully the bands will be much better in two weeks' time. Will post pics once I collect them.

 

[hollander]

It's actually our wedding bands and not the engagement ring. Jann is currently getting their craftsman to rework it and he assures that the changes can be done. It's not really engraving but rose gold with enamel. Hopefully the bands will be much better in two weeks' time. Will post pics once I collect them.

Pardon me ;-), can wait to see the finish product, can you share the 3D Render as well?

Thanks.