AMD 300x or else??

[monikernemo]

Powerful meh???

Powerful enough to force R9 290/X to drop price

 

[mib500]

Powerful enough to force R9 290/X to drop price

i loving it....

 

[FinalTidus]

Powerful enough to force R9 290/X to drop price

I agree that the GTX 970 is a powerful 3.5GB card.

But as many members here have said, once your VRAM exceeds 3.5GB, it is a crap card.

So it really depends on what games you are playing for the next 2-3 years, at what resolutions and settings.

Check out Jayz 2 Cents video and his benchmark tests on various games which exceeds 3.5GB.

For now my GTX 970 is still serving me well as I barely reach 2.5GB even at 1440p with Crysis 3 at max settings. But once you reach 4k things might be different.

In short, just treat the GTX 970 as a PURELY 3.5GB card and you won't be disappointed. Especially at the pricing.

But if you are the '4GB MEANS 4GB' customer, go ahead and get AMD R9 290/290X. Or topup for GTX 980.

 

[Mikiberry]

I agree that the GTX 970 is a powerful 3.5GB card.

But as many members here have said, once your VRAM exceeds 3.5GB, it is a crap card.

So it really depends on what games you are playing for the next 2-3 years, at what resolutions and settings.

Check out Jayz 2 Cents video and his benchmark tests on various games which exceeds 3.5GB.

For now my GTX 970 is still serving me well as I barely reach 2.5GB even at 1440p with Crysis 3 at max settings. But once you reach 4k things might be different.

In short, just treat the GTX 970 as a PURELY 3.5GB card and you won't be disappointed. Especially at the pricing.

But if you are the '4GB MEANS 4GB' customer, go ahead and get AMD R9 290/290X. Or topup for GTX 980.

Problem with the 970 is that once vram requirements exceeds 3.5 it throttles down to 1/8 of the advertised speed which is pretty dismal. If it was designed just as a 3.5 gb card then at most artifacts or slightly lower fps nia. This problem is so much worst when I had 970 ASUS Strix in SLI.

 

[monikernemo]

Problem with the 970 is that once vram requirements exceeds 3.5 it throttles down to 1/8 of the advertised speed which is pretty dismal. If it was designed just as a 3.5 gb card then at most artifacts or slightly lower fps nia. This problem is so much worst when I had 970 ASUS Strix in SLI.

What's your resolution? I think its not designed for 4k.

 

[mib500]

What's your resolution? I think its not designed for 4k.

actually by right there is no card design for 4k.... even for titan z....

 

[monikernemo]

actually by right there is no card design for 4k.... even for titan z....

Maybe the 390/x series with '3D'/Vertical Ram technology? Hahaha

 

[mib500]

Maybe the 390/x series with '3D'/Vertical Ram technology? Hahaha

it will burn your rig.... hahaha....

 

[monikernemo]

it will burn your rig.... hahaha....

Can fry egg? Or do some barbeque or marshmellows yumyum

 

[Mikiberry]

What's your resolution? I think its not designed for 4k.

Tried both 1080 and 1440 above 3.5gb.

 

[monikernemo]

Tried both 1080 and 1440 above 3.5gb.

Huh what game? Final tidus say crysis ultra only 2.5 GB at 1440P.

 

[Gattberserk]

actually by right there is no card design for 4k.... even for titan z....

GTX 980 SLI can pretty much power 4K to its max resolution alr.


With DP 1.3 around the corner, u can bet 4K display will becoming mainstream in very soon.


3.5 or not, I still dislike how NV want to cover it up with 4Gb. Now i abit skeptical on the upcoming GM200 if they will resort to such tricks again to the non-titan GM200.

 

[mib500]

GTX 980 SLI can pretty much power 4K to its max resolution alr.


With DP 1.3 around the corner, u can bet 4K display will becoming mainstream in very soon.


3.5 or not, I still dislike how NV want to cover it up with 4Gb. Now i abit skeptical on the upcoming GM200 if they will resort to such tricks again to the non-titan GM200.

dont worry it wont happen again... they learn their lesson as how powerful is sosial network can be....

 

[monikernemo]

GTX 980 SLI can pretty much power 4K to its max resolution alr.


With DP 1.3 around the corner, u can bet 4K display will becoming mainstream in very soon.

Can enlighten on how displayport update can power up 4k when our GPU cannot even handle 4k? I think 4k in common context is UHD instead of strictly 4k. Hahaha

 

[Gattberserk]

Can enlighten on how displayport update can power up 4k when our GPU cannot even handle 4k? I think 4k in common context is UHD instead of strictly 4k. Hahaha

Display port 1.3 increase the bandwidth limitation of 1.2, allowing display capability of 120 Hz in 4K resolution.


With that in mind going at 60Hz 4K would be more common when the high end model are 120Hz @ 4K. While I agree that the current GPU have difficulty in hitting the 4K max resolution but that is mainly because we are stuck in the old 28nm for almost 4 years.

The next leap which is 2 nodes jump in fab node, either its 16nm from TSMC, or 14nm from samsung. So I do expect a massive performance boost for the next true gen GPUs which shld be available by next year.


At 16nm, u can pack 3x more transistor in a given die size, that alone means that a die size of GM204 could pack up to 5-6K CUDA cores, thus its only matter of time before the GPUs department catch up with display output in performance.

 

[Tommorrow]

Huh what game? Final tidus say crysis ultra only 2.5 GB at 1440P.

From personal experience, AC Unity can hit almost 4GB vram usage on a GTX 980, at 1440p resolution.

This is after the latest patch though. Before that, my vram usage in AC Unity was around 3.1 to 3.3GB.

The good thing is, with the increase in vram usage, my fps also increased. Before, it was hovering around 45fps. Now it's about 55fps. Didn't change settings.

YMMV, of course : )

 

[idmanotic]

GTX 980 SLI can pretty much power 4K to its max resolution alr.


With DP 1.3 around the corner, u can bet 4K display will becoming mainstream in very soon.


3.5 or not, I still dislike how NV want to cover it up with 4Gb. Now i abit skeptical on the upcoming GM200 if they will resort to such tricks again to the non-titan GM200.

It will still be quite a long way before 4K becomes mainstream...... 2 x GTX980 is not exactly mainstream.

 

[Gattberserk]

It will still be quite a long way before 4K becomes mainstream...... 2 x GTX980 is not exactly mainstream.

Well like I said 16nm GPUs...


If next year 16nm card are out, GTX 980 at that point will easily be considered as mid-tier GPU.

 

[mib500]

Well like I said 16nm GPUs...


If next year 16nm card are out, GTX 980 at that point will easily be considered as mid-tier GPU.

i wonder what Nvidia gonna name for the new card.....

 

[Rogue]

Nvidia recent activity is really bad. False advertising, PR spin on adaptive sync, and really bad drivers. Then followed up with a response that allegedly implied that their buyers are stupid. After the class action suit, I hope US FTC will also follow up with another action to keep their shenanigans in check.

Funny thing is Nvidia abandoned their early "volta" stacked memory application and went with AMD/Hynix solution of HBM for their future cards.

Currently AMD R9-290 is still the best value card. On the other hand, AMD 390x will be great since it's using HBM but I need to see real performance benchmarks before a decision is made. My oversea friends will use their refunds for it happily though.

The nvidia products are either broken or astronomically overpriced. Will be avoiding for now, so it's either Intel or AMD for my various platforms...