Anyone is also using the StarHub UltraSpeed (10Gbps)? I am so frustrated. (Solved by upgrading ONR firmware.)

[Henry Ng]

OLTs with 100Gbps uplink and higher are also out there.

One example from Ubiquiti -- 4* SFP28 uplink, up to 100Gbps.
https://sg.store.ui.com/sg/en/collections/uisp-fiber-basestation-xgs-pon/products/uisp-fiber-olt-xgs

Then there are super high ones with up to 1.4Tbps.
https://www.thefastmode.com/technol...fastest-pon-olt-with-1-4-tbps-uplink-capacity

Hopefully, SH will use the 1.4 Tbps once and for all for this upgrade as it is quite troublesome to upgrade such backend equipment. I heard that for HDB flat, most of the time the OLT is in our Telecom room at the first floor. There are so many such Telecom rooms in the whole Sg so it will need a lot of manpower and time to upgrade so it will be better to do it once and for all. If use 100 Gbps then one day the issue will be back again.

 

[kevinlaikf]

Same issue here. Will probably swap out the EB810v eventually

Which router are you considering?

For me, its would be Asus, as I had already 2 Asus routers from my previous 1Gbps plan, it would be good to reuse them as Aimesh satellites.

 

[xiaofan]

Which router are you considering?
For me, its would be Asus, as I had already 2 Asus routers from my previous 1Gbps plan, it would be good to reuse them as Aimesh satellites.

If you are willing to pay, Asus ROG GT-BE98 at around S$1099 will last you in the next four years or more.

Cheap one will be Asus RT-BE88U (no 6GHz band, BE7200, with the same BCM4916 CPU as the GT-BE98, same 2GB RAM, same 256MB Flash, dual 10G ports --> one 10GBase-T and one SFP+ port; quad 2.5G ports and quad 1G ports), at RMB 2099, no local warranty though.
https://www.asus.com/networking-iot-servers/wifi-routers/asus-gaming-routers/rt-be88u/techspec/

I am going a different way -- to use mini PC plus WiFi AP (Asus TUF-6500 and Asus RT-AX86U) for my upcoming Singtel 5Gbps plan. If I stick with using Asus as the main router, I would go with RT-BE88U.

Dongknows review is good.
https://dongknows.com/asus-rt-be88u-dual-band-wi-fi-7-router-review/

Taobao link for reference.
【淘宝】限时官方立减344元 https://m.tb.cn/h.g9ytxX7f3rbOqSE?tk=N8oG3dOjEM9 CZ0015 「【全新WIFI7】华硕BE88U Wifi7路由器 企业级万兆无线 电竞游戏5G 家用高速双频路由智能组网7200M大户型覆盖」
点击链接直接打开 或者 淘宝搜索直接打开

 

[kevinlaikf]

I also had an older Netgear Orbi, I also doing comparison between Asus RT-BE88U and the bundle offer of Netgear Orbi 970. Based on my experience of both Asus and Netgear, Netgear ethernet backhaul more reliable.

These Asus and TP-Link 10Gbe router damn huge, unsightly too.. but Netgear Orbi are slick (just slightly bigger than the Dlink 686L).
With older Orbi, I can also reuse them too as satellites.
Too bad that Netgear had dropped the Nighthawk router series.

 

[Henry Ng]

If you are willing to pay, Asus ROG GT-BE98 at around S$1099 will last you in the next four years or more.

Cheap one will be Asus RT-BE88U (no 6GHz band, BE7200, with the same BCM4916 CPU as the GT-BE98, same 2GB RAM, same 256MB Flash, dual 10G ports --> one 10GBase-T and one SFP+ port; quad 2.5G ports and quad 1G ports), at RMB 2099, no local warranty though.
https://www.asus.com/networking-iot-servers/wifi-routers/asus-gaming-routers/rt-be88u/techspec/

I am going a different way -- to use mini PC plus WiFi AP (Asus TUF-6500 and Asus RT-AX86U) for my upcoming Singtel 5Gbps plan. If I stick with using Asus as the main router, I would go with RT-BE88U.

Dongknows review is good.
https://dongknows.com/asus-rt-be88u-dual-band-wi-fi-7-router-review/

Taobao link for reference.
【淘宝】限时官方立减344元 https://m.tb.cn/h.g9ytxX7f3rbOqSE?tk=N8oG3dOjEM9 CZ0015 「【全新WIFI7】华硕BE88U Wifi7路由器 企业级万兆无线 电竞游戏5G 家用高速双频路由智能组网7200M大户型覆盖」
点击链接直接打开 或者 淘宝搜索直接打开

At least BE-88U is better than that TP-LINK.

 

[kimsix]

actually eb810v by SH have the same top end specs of current consumer routers.

like mobile soc, qualcomm, broadcom and mediatek sell soc for every wifi gen to third parties.

it is tplink firmware lazier than asus, add SH isp inbetween, makes it worse!

we have been asking for firmware update, tplink SH keeps saying soon....

 

[TanKianW]

actually eb810v by SH have the same top end specs of current consumer routers.

like mobile soc, qualcomm, broadcom and mediatek sell soc for every wifi gen to third parties.

it is tplink firmware lazier than asus, add SH isp inbetween, makes it worse!

we have been asking for firmware update, tplink SH keeps saying soon....

HW + SW has always been a package.

Great HW + subpar SW (FW) = subpar equipment.

Only when good in both departments = good equipment.

The problem is most consumers are so overwhelmed or engrossed in the hardware spec sheet, they often overlooked the SW (FW). In my experience, TPlink has one of the worst. Starting with their cheapo 5-port smart managed switches that can hang (massive packet loss) with no reason after a period of 24/7 operation. In the end, swapped out every single one of them on the field. Even the 2.5G POE switch I am using now (coz no better alternative yet!) can power some devices while some (same model) will just not connect! Good work! ​

 

[lobukong]

If currently using 2 Asus router and having severe WIFI problem, wouldn't it be a little risky to add another Asus to the system and hope WiFi to improve?

Since wired connection is OK, suggest to keep using current router as a wired router then get some Unifi or other brand AP? As money for AP will have direct impact on your WiFi and it's cheaper than high end consumer routers.

 

[xiaofan]

I also had an older Netgear Orbi, I also doing comparison between Asus RT-BE88U and the bundle offer of Netgear Orbi 970. Based on my experience of both Asus and Netgear, Netgear ethernet backhaul more reliable.
These Asus and TP-Link 10Gbe router damn huge, unsightly too.. but Netgear Orbi are slick (just slightly bigger than the Dlink 686L).
With older Orbi, I can also reuse them too as satellites.
Too bad that Netgear had dropped the Nighthawk router series.

Nighthawk RS700S is not bad.
https://dongknows.com/netgear-nighthawk-rs700s-wi-fi-7-router-review/

If you are willing to pay for Netgear Orbi 970's exorbitant price, by all means go ahead. Netgear Orbi is better consumer mesh solution than Asus AImesh.

I will for sure not pay for Netgear Orbi. For the money I will go for pfSense mini PC plus Ubiquiti switch plus Ubiquiti Unifi APs.

But I am not willing to pay that much, so I will use mini PC plus Asus TUF-6500 and Asus RT-AX86U (or my other 2.5G capable APs like ZTE BE7200 Pro+, TP-Link TL-7DR6560 and Xiaomi BE5000)

 

[xiaofan]

actually eb810v by SH have the same top end specs of current consumer routers.
like mobile soc, qualcomm, broadcom and mediatek sell soc for every wifi gen to third parties.
it is tplink firmware lazier than asus, add SH isp inbetween, makes it worse!
we have been asking for firmware update, tplink SH keeps saying soon....

There is a reason why Asus is more expensive than TP-Link.

But there is a easy solution for you, use the TP-Link as an AP, get an Intel N305 CPU based mini PC to run pfSense as the main router.

 

[kimsix]

There is a reason why Asus is more expensive than TP-Link.

But there is a easy solution for you, use the TP-Link as an AP, get an Intel N305 CPU based mini PC to run pfSense as the main router.

ironic thing is tplink appears to have responsive customer services, they reply to emails, forums, pm, quite prompt! fake front!

 

[shadez9]

just signed up for a SH 10gbs Broadband package. Any one here use Deco BE65 or BE85 was their router? If so how is the performance? Thanks

 

[xiaofan]

ironic thing is tplink appears to have responsive customer services, they reply to emails, forums, pm, quite prompt! fake front!

Actually I can see TP-Link makes progress in the following aspects.
1) better firmware support durations for its consumer routers. But this may not be applicable to service provider models.
2) upgrade firmware of the Archer series to support EasyMesh which is better than OneMesh (still not as good as Deco mesh though).
3) reliable HW

I can actually recommend people to go with TP-Link Archer BE805 for the 10Gbps plan, I can also recommend Deco BE85 once the price goes down, as long as they do not have high requirements on the firmware features.

 

[Henry Ng]

Actually I can see TP-Link makes progress in the following
1) better firmware support durations for its consumer routers. But this may not be applicable to service provider models.
2) upgrade firmware of the Archer series to support EasyMesh which is better than OneMesh (still not as good as Deco mesh though).
3) reliable HW

I can actually recommend people to go with TP-Link Archer BE805 for the 10Gbps plan, I can also recommend Deco BE85 once the price goes down, as long as they do not have high requirements on the firmware features.

The problem with this router is 4 x 1G LAN and not 4 x 2.5G LAN. I think the BE900 is good.

 

[kevinlaikf]

Actually u just need a cheap and reliable dual-10G wifi router and a multi-gig switch.
I am very concern about the power consumption.

Like a fridge, a router usually is a 365x7x24 device.
Switch off-on frequently is worse than having it running non-stop, high wattage devices very prone to damage on frequent power start.

 

[Mach3.2]

Not an expert here but supposedly TDMA is used and this should not be the limit. So I do not think what you say is right. The OLT uplink may be the first real limit, then there are other limit up the signal chain.

https://www.cablelabs.com/blog/10g-epon-vs-xgs-pon
In both 10G-EPON and XGS-PON, a scheme called Time Division Multiple Access (TDMA) is used to share the fiber’s upstream resource. In this scheme, each user (the ONU at the user’s premises) is granted a share of time during which they are allowed to transmit data. At all other times, the user is “silent” while other users transmit data.

It's still time slicing the same 10Gbps. When someone transmit, other's can't.

What i was driving at is it's a shared link between 24 people. So long someone on the same PON port is downloading stuff, your available bandwidth will be limited.

The 40GbE OLT uplink will only become the bottleneck if the cumulative traffic from the OLT's PON ports max out at 40Gbps.

 

[Henry Ng]

Actually u just need a cheap and reliable dual-10G wifi router and a multi-gig switch.
I am very concern about the power consumption.

Like a fridge, a router usually is a 365x7x24 device.
Switch off-on frequently is worse than having it running non-stop, high wattage devices very prone to damage on frequent power start.

yes this is true.

 

[Henry Ng]

It's still time slicing the same 10Gbps. When someone transmit, other's can't.

What i was driving at is it's a shared link between 24 people. So long someone on the same PON port is downloading stuff, your available bandwidth will be limited.

The 40GbE OLT uplink will only become the bottleneck if the cumulative traffic from the OLT's PON ports max out at 40Gbps.

The problem is more and more people signed up 10Gbps plan and keep downloading big files. If all the users do not care to surf the internet then we will be ok during peak hours.

 

[xiaofan]

It's still time slicing the same 10Gbps. When someone transmit, other's can't.
What i was driving at is it's a shared link between 24 people. So long someone on the same PON port is downloading stuff, your available bandwidth will be limited.
The 40GbE OLT uplink will only become the bottleneck if the cumulative traffic from the OLT's PON ports max out at 40Gbps.

Again, I tend to think you are not correct here. It depends on how the SpeedTest apps works. It may not need to continuously hog the 10Gbps link. It may work well with TDMA.

Anyway, I may be totally wrong here, but I hope the insiders (those in the ISP industry and know how OLT works) can chime in and clear the doubt.

 

[xiaofan]

Actually u just need a cheap and reliable dual-10G wifi router and a multi-gig switch.
I am very concern about the power consumption.
Like a fridge, a router usually is a 365x7x24 device.
Switch off-on frequently is worse than having it running non-stop, high wattage devices very prone to damage on frequent power start.

Dual 10G true WiFi 7 router = power hungry with the current technology.

As for cheap, it depends on your definition of cheap. When it comes to wireless router, I consider pretty cheap as below S$200, S$200 to S$400 as reasonably priced, S$400 to S$600 as acceptable but towards the expensive side, and above S$600 as expensive.

With this definition, Dual 10G true WiFi 7 router = NOT cheap.