Asus GT-AX11000/Pro, RT-AX89X, , GT-AX6000, RT-AX88U Pro, RT-AX86U/Pro, RT-AX86S, TUF-AX6000, RT-AX82U (V1/V2), TUF-AX5400, RT-AX5400 and TUF-AX4200

[Legend2127]

looking for advice.

my current house layout got a bomb shelter smack right in the middle of the whole house which is affecting my mesh wifi signals causing frequent speed drops and disconnections.

my ont and current router is located right in front of the bomb shelter(living room tv console) and I’m arranging to pull lan cables to my game room and master bed room(furthest room) from the main router location.

should I keep my existing xt8 (buggy firmware for wired backhual) to do wired mesh or change to the GT-AX6000 and get another node to do wired mesh?

 

[kashix]

looking for advice.

my current house layout got a bomb shelter smack right in the middle of the whole house which is affecting my mesh wifi signals causing frequent speed drops and disconnections.

my ont and current router is located right in front of the bomb shelter(living room tv console) and I’m arranging to pull lan cables to my game room and master bed room(furthest room) from the main router location.

should I keep my existing xt8 (buggy firmware for wired backhual) to do wired mesh or change to the GT-AX6000 and get another node to do wired mesh?

What firmware are you on? Why is it buggy? I implement a few units for my clients in ethernet backhaul, yet to hear any issues though.

 

[Legend2127]

What firmware are you on? Why is it buggy? I implement a few units for my clients in ethernet backhaul, yet to hear any issues though.

I’m on 3.0.0.4.386_49873. Running wireless backhual as I do not have lan ports in my rooms.

my node seems to resync every now and then causing connection drops regardless which room I move my node to, it’s the same.

another reason is due to wired backhaul, the 3rd 5ghz band will be made redundant according to what I read online which made me think of changing to better dual and routers when I get my lan cables run into my rooms.

 

[kashix]

I’m on 3.0.0.4.386_49873. Running wireless backhual as I do not have lan ports in my rooms.

my node seems to resync every now and then causing connection drops regardless which room I move my node to, it’s the same.

another reason is due to wired backhaul, the 3rd 5ghz band will be made redundant according to what I read online which made me think of changing to better dual and routers when I get my lan cables run into my rooms.

Why is your 3rd 5ghz redundant? When you run them properly in ethernet backhaul mode, you are able to use all 3 frequencies for fronthaul already

have you done a reset and re-pair them again?

 

[Legend2127]

Why is your 3rd 5ghz redundant? When you run them properly in ethernet backhaul mode, you are able to use all 3 frequencies for fronthaul already

have you done a reset and re-pair them again?

The lan cable has yet to be run in the house. I know very little about front haul…

 

[kashix]

The lan cable has yet to be run in the house. I know very little about front haul…

you have yet to run lan cable yet you mentioned the xt8 have buggy ethernet backhaul firmware? Contradicting yourself leh ...

anyways, I don't know what you have read so far, but don't worry so much, just fix up your lan cable 1st, run your xt8 in wired backhaul mode and observe, if cannot then you buy ax6000 to fix

 

[mambo31]

No you are only using 1Gbps in this case. And you are using the wrong port to connect to the RT-AX86U

Option 1: two separate networks, move your TP-Link M3 Deco to another port of ONR.

ONR Port 1 (unbridged port) -- TP Link M3 deco
ONR Port 4 (bridged port) --> AX86U WAN Port
AX86U LAN Port 1 -->
AX86U LAN Port 2 --> PS5
AX86U LAN Port 3 --> Sonos speaker
AX86U LAN Port 4 -->

Option 2: single networks, dual WAN load balancing.

ONR Port 1 (unbridged port) -- AX86U WAN2 Port (set to LAN1)
ONR Port 4 (bridged port) --> AX86U WAN Port
AX86U LAN Port 2 --> PS5
AX86U LAN Port 3 --> TP Link M3 deco
AX86U LAN Port 4 --> Sonos speaker

Hi, can check if set dual wan in router, it’s WAN and ethernet LAN?

 

[xiaofan]

Hi, can check if set dual wan in router, it’s WAN and ethernet LAN?

You can select the secondary WAN port to be any of the LAN port.
https://www.asus.com/in/support/FAQ/1011719/

 

[mambo31]

Do I have to enable WAN aggregation? Or use the 2.5G port?

 

[mambo31]

Sorry, read that Dual WAN will be disabled if WAN aggregation is enabled.

So my current setup is now as follows:

ONR Port 1 --> AX86U Port 1 (configured to Dual WAN as LAN1, secondary)
ONR Port 4 --> AX86U WAN port (primary)
AX86U Port 2 --> PS5
AX86U Port 3 --> TP Link deco mesh
AX86U Port 4 --> Sonos speaker

I'm getting average 150mps on 2.4ghz, 700mbps on 5Ghz and 300mbps on my mesh network (auto switch 2.4 and 5ghz).

Is this ok?

 

[xiaofan]

Sorry, read that Dual WAN will be disabled if WAN aggregation is enabled.
So my current setup is now as follows:
ONR Port 1 --> AX86U Port 1 (configured to Dual WAN as LAN1, secondary)
ONR Port 4 --> AX86U WAN port (primary)
AX86U Port 2 --> PS5
AX86U Port 3 --> TP Link deco mesh
AX86U Port 4 --> Sonos speaker
I'm getting average 150mps on 2.4ghz, 700mbps on 5Ghz and 300mbps on my mesh network (auto switch 2.4 and 5ghz).
Is this ok?

Which equipment are you using for this test? Sound like normal wireless speed but not using the full potential of the router and 1+1 Gamer Plan.

In order to fully test the potential of this system, you need to use wired client with 2.5G network adapter and connect that to the 2.5G port (configured as LAN). You will be able to get >1.7Gbps using Ookla SpeedTest.

In order to test the full potential using wireless, then you need a PC/laptop with Wifi 6 adapter (Intel AX200/201 based). Do not use iPhone which does not support 160MHz channel. You should be able to get >1Gbps at close range.

 

[mambo31]

Which equipment are you using for this test? Sound like normal wireless speed but not using the full potential of the router and 1+1 Gamer Plan.

In order to fully test the potential of this system, you need to use wired client with 2.5G network adapter and connect that to the 2.5G port (configured as LAN). You will be able to get >1.7Gbps using Ookla SpeedTest.

In order to test the full potential using wireless, then you need a PC/laptop with Wifi 6 adapter (Intel AX200/201 based). Do not use iPhone which does not support 160MHz channel. You should be able to get >1Gbps at close range.

I'm using a macbook pro 2017 model which I think does not support wifi6

 

[xiaofan]

I'm using a macbook pro 2017 model which I think does not support wifi6

I see. Then your wifi speed is pretty good already.

I believe your Mac Pro 2017 has 3x3 80MHz wifi spec on the 5GHz band, so the theoretical max PHY speed is at 1300Mbps at 5GHz and getting 700Mbps+ is considered normal.

I am not so sure if there are any USB AX adapter for your Macbook Pro 2017. But I think it is not worth even if you can find one. The 3x3 AC adapter is pretty good already.

But if you have Windows laptop or Desktop PC, it is pretty cheap to upgrade to Wifi 6 using Intel AX200 (AX3000) M2 or PCIE adapter. The USB AX adapter is a bit more expensive and of lower performance (usually AX1800).

Speedtest result (1m close range) for my Acer Windows 11 laptop with built-in Intel AX201 adapter, using RT-AX82U. RT-AX86U will have better and more consistent results (800-900 Mbps).

 

[xiaofan]

I'm using a macbook pro 2017 model which I think does not support wifi6

If you want to test whether your 1+1 pan or your Dual WAN Load Balancing setup is working or not, you can use two clients, if you do not have wired clients with 2.5G Ethernet adapter.

1. To check if the 1+1 plan is really giving about 2Gbps or not.
Remove ONR Port 1 to RT-AX86U WAN2 connection so that RT-AX86U only got one WAN connection from ONR Port 4 (bridged port).

Use two wired clients (both with gigabit Ethernet adapter), one connects to the RT-AX86U LAN port, the other connect to the ONR port 2 (or Port 3).

Carry out SpeedTest at the same time, the combined download speed should usually be above 1800Mbps.

2. To check if the Dual WAN Load balancing is really giving nearly 2Gbps or not.

Connect back the dual wan connections to the RT-AX86U (ONR Port 1 and Port 4).

Connect two wired clients (both with gigabit Ethernet adapter) to RT-AX86U LAN Port 2 and 3.

Carry out SpeedTest at the same time, the combined download speed should usually be around 1800Mbps.

 

[Thunderlip]

One way to test Dual WAN load balancing, is to login to your Asus router, go to QoS and click Internet speedtest. This is directly between router and ONR.

 

[Qubicfactor]

One way to test Dual WAN load balancing, is to login to your Asus router, go to QoS and click Internet speedtest. This is directly between router and ONR.

Do note that if testing directly from router there is a speed bottleneck due to the CPU having to do both routing and benchmarking

 

[xiaofan]

Interestingly the Internet SpeedTest function is not working on my Asus RT-AX82U router. The WebUI error message is like this: "This function is temporarily disabled due to Internet disconnection".

xiaofan@RT-AX82U-83E0:/tmp/home/root# ookla -L
[2022-09-18 09:41:14.129] [error] ConfigurationError -
Could not retrieve or read configuration (Configuration)
{"type":"log","timestamp":"2022-09-18T01:41:14Z","message":
"Configuration - Could not retrieve or read configuration
(ConfigurationError)","level":"error"}

The ARM Linux binary works fine but you can see that download speed is limited by the CPU power.

xiaofan@RT-AX82U-83E0:/tmp/mnt/AsusUSB3/root# ./speedtest

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     1.64 ms   (jitter: 0.10ms, low: 1.54ms, high: 1.85ms)
    Download:   748.11 Mbps (data used: 1.0 GB)
                 10.63 ms   (jitter: 5.25ms, low: 1.67ms, high: 60.92ms)
      Upload:   927.29 Mbps (data used: 1.3 GB)
                 13.49 ms   (jitter: 2.92ms, low: 3.95ms, high: 37.59ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/3497a592-7f23-4a83-8c03-c8bd96bf2167

Becuase of this reason I actually have a Linux container which is attached to the RT-AX82U (mainly running Pi-hole but also tools like Ookla SpeedTest and iperf3, running under PVE).

root@ubuntuct1:~# speedtest

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     1.79 ms   (jitter: 0.14ms, low: 1.66ms, high: 1.89ms)
    Download:   943.61 Mbps (data used: 424.8 MB)                                                 
                  3.56 ms   (jitter: 6.03ms, low: 1.81ms, high: 209.43ms)
      Upload:   946.79 Mbps (data used: 1.1 GB)                                                 
                 11.55 ms   (jitter: 0.54ms, low: 3.96ms, high: 16.72ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/ba1d01eb-5049-4a0b-b6fa-863f368cf6e5

 

[xiaofan]

Do note that if testing directly from router there is a speed bottleneck due to the CPU having to do both routing and benchmarking

I agree you here in general since my RT-AX82U will have problem running either Ookla Speedtest and iperf3 due to the slow BCM6750 CPU.

What about RT-AX86U (or others with BCM4908/BCM49408 or higher end CPU)? I tend to believe it should be good enough to get the full wired speed when running Ookla SpeedTest and iperf3.

 

[cscs3]

I’m on 3.0.0.4.386_49873. Running wireless backhual as I do not have lan ports in my rooms.

my node seems to resync every now and then causing connection drops regardless which room I move my node to, it’s the same.

another reason is due to wired backhaul, the 3rd 5ghz band will be made redundant according to what I read online which made me think of changing to better dual and routers when I get my lan cables run into my rooms.

Wireless backhual is not a very reliable solution. The 2 router placement is bery important. They need to maintain in a very good coverage to start with.

 

[Qubicfactor]

I agree you here in general since my RT-AX82U will have problem running either Ookla Speedtest and iperf3 due to the slow BCM6750 CPU.

What about RT-AX86U (or others with BCM4908/BCM49408 or higher end CPU)? I tend to believe it should be good enough to get the full wired speed when running Ookla SpeedTest and iperf3.

Merlin himself said that there is a bottleneck. I personally tested myself and yes, I can't get full gigabit speeds using the built in speedtest