At 31, moving out of my family home saved my mental health

[Linguist]

SG's biggest mistake was embarking on the population ponzi scheme.

Back in 1995, GCT mentioned about your HDB only appreciating in value and then MBT later came out with the disastrous and idiotic "Asset Enhancement Scheme"

Back then, already got the Japan Property bubble burst in 1992 but they never learnt from this lesson.

Then after that got the Nassim Jade scandal, Tang Liang Hong and JBJ, etc. spoke about it and got sued and bankrupted because of it.

Honestly super bad optics during then.

Oh I see, 13 years ago. That is why I surprised so cheap now, think now should be around $850 per room as the norm at least ba. Last time I checked was around 1 year + ago liao.

Retirement not rent, I hope to withdraw my CPF to retire there next time. Penang safer than most parts of Malaysia, have to say the local government doing a very good job there.

Amenities, infrastructure all not bad too. Plus less crowded, SG is really too crowded liao. We really going to fight with Hong Kong to see who more crowded, at the rate our population rise.

Yes, agreed with you. Personal space is super important to mental health one, lack of personal space impacts mental health deeply, thus then later affects physical health too as well.

Wah... that scandal no activate CPIB for investigation?

https://kenjeyaretnam.com/2024/01/2...takes-me-back-to-the-hpl-nassim-jade-scandal/

And izzit true ministers, MP etc restricted to buying shares but not restricted to property purchases etc?

As quoted from website link above:
Ironically LHL said that as Deputy PM in charge of economic policy he could not be actively trading shares. Why would that restriction not also apply to property, an asset whose price the Government directly controls through its ownership of 80-90% of the land in Singapore and indirectly through taxation and spending decisions?

 

[coyote]

I believe anyone above 21 should been given a subsidised housing.

Sorry brother, I stopped reading at your first sentence. We are no communist nor socialist society. We are capitalist society where everyone have to work hard to earn their own keep. I think you have gotten the wrong ideology.

 

[ceestudent]

If Malaysians FT can rent a room to survive, why can't Singaporeans do the same?
Why young sinkie so weak-minded nowadays? I'm sure malaysian FT pay is lower than sinkie graduate. I'm not comparing people with expat package here.

 

[coyote]

If Malaysians FT can rent a room to survive, why can't Singaporeans do the same?
Why young sinkie so weak-minded nowadays? I'm sure malaysian FT pay is lower than sinkie graduate. I'm not comparing people with expat package here.

Exactly.

 

[weiess]

31yo char siew theory.

 

[articland05]

At 31, you should stop leeching on your parents and go rent outside.

Semo woke generation saved my mental health??! Geez

this one seems to be the family leech on him instead though... that's why he move out

 

[coyote]

All singles should start buying their HDB flat from age 21 (if they choose as 1 chance in life) and then allow them to discover how many sex partners and then possible chance of settling down or accidental babies. I rather single parent citizens then coming from elsewhere.

Singapore is land scares and extremely limited. Following your suggestions, our housing demand will excerbate because now you need twice the amount of units compared to previously. Then hdb prices will sky rocket.

That is just another unrealistic, selfish proposal from members here that never have our land limitations into consideration.

Sorry. Just no.

 

[lampano]

my bros and me all shifted out when in 20s.
best decision ever, really shape me out to be what i am today.

 

[MoeLanYong]

this one seems to be the family leech on him instead though... that's why he move out

It's his parents home. Bo koleng parents move out. So he has to imho

 

[kyang69]

Sometimes the people that treat you the worst are your own family, even siblings can have the desire to not see you succeed and will make your life a living hell if you are doing great at school or work.

That's why I am very cold towards my siblings later in life. Can't blame me if I don't feel sorry about it.

 

[TopGun]

Your child can also kick you out of their lives once they got their own place. No more visits from them, not even CNY.

Typical scums. Want to have babies but treat as if they owned them.

Hope your child disown you better when he grows up.

He kicked her daughter out during cny too, and was real proud of it. Maybe it came from the belief that the man is the head of the household.

 

[TopGun]

You were encouraged to get married and apply for BTO as young as possible. You did not get married is not government's fault right? If you cannot afford to buy, you could still rent a house or even a room also.

Well done. Now marriage becomes a tool.

 

[Lifeinmotion]

Singapore is land scares and extremely limited. Following your suggestions, our housing demand will excerbate because now you need twice the amount of units compared to previously. Then hdb prices will sky rocket.

That is just another unrealistic, selfish proposal from members here that never have our land limitations into consideration.

Sorry. Just no.

Nope. I don't agree. How then can we mooted for 6m and 10m ?

Why is it selfish? We nick the bud in terms of future divorce issue when housing become a problem for both parties. And there's safeguard - No one can have 2 chances of BTO. It's already in place. We just bring forward the age.

If you say we are land scarce then why give out so many land sales for Condo ? How many condo are HOLDers and are empty ? So in that case we should punish all landlords with empty flats that are not rented out or stayed in.

Why do you think we need twice the amount of public houses? Can you quantify and justify? Do you think every single will start choinging to buy HDB at 21 or wait for the partner and if they can even afford it at that age.

Been kiasu and kiasi, Singaporean will scheme all the way to make sure they maximise their HDB lottery. Only those who really want a flat young and/or live alone will start to plan and buy early.

My stance stays.

Every Singapore citizen (not PR) should have fundamental rights to public housing and bringing the age forward will help defray later society impact as more chose not to get married, and stop marrying for sake of BTO and possibility of magic - increase in local population because they have more chance to procreate before marriage.

 

[Mr BBFA]

If Malaysians FT can rent a room to survive, why can't Singaporeans do the same?
Why young sinkie so weak-minded nowadays? I'm sure malaysian FT pay is lower than sinkie graduate. I'm not comparing people with expat package here.

Malaysian rent a room cos they need a roof over their head. If they got sg relative confirm will go over and stay one

 

[darkelf]

Singapore is land scares and extremely limited. Following your suggestions, our housing demand will excerbate because now you need twice the amount of units compared to previously. Then hdb prices will sky rocket.

That is just another unrealistic, selfish proposal from members here that never have our land limitations into consideration.

Sorry. Just no.

Then start building more. Reclaim more land for space.
Remove the dumb bto system and go back to the housing model before the 2000s.
Don't ask us to breed when there are no shelter for us to live in.

 

[Lifeinmotion]

Cherry picking data of vacant private residence

2015 1Q
- 2447 vacant landed properties
- 19899 non-landed properties

2025 2Q
- 6200 vacant landed properties
- 23827 non-landed properties

Even with higher population we still get more vacant properties not stayed in

Possible reasons
- we either have too much housing in private
- it's too expensive and people are staying together more
- we have many landed houses we can possibility take back or they are so expensive that renting out or selling them is an issue.

 

[Kwein]

If Malaysians FT can rent a room to survive, why can't Singaporeans do the same?
Why young sinkie so weak-minded nowadays? I'm sure malaysian FT pay is lower than sinkie graduate. I'm not comparing people with expat package here.

Singaporean too pampered and entitled lah
only know how to complain

 

[krikering]

Nope. I don't agree. How then can we mooted for 6m and 10m ?

Why is it selfish? We nick the bud in terms of future divorce issue when housing become a problem for both parties. And there's safeguard - No one can have 2 chances of BTO. It's already in place. We just bring forward the age.

If you say we are land scarce then why give out so many land sales for Condo ? How many condo are HOLDers and are empty ? So in that case we should punish all landlords with empty flats that are not rented out or stayed in.

Why do you think we need twice the amount of public houses? Can you quantify and justify? Do you think every single will start choinging to buy HDB at 21 or wait for the partner and if they can even afford it at that age.

Been kiasu and kiasi, Singaporean will scheme all the way to make sure they maximise their HDB lottery. Only those who really want a flat young and/or live alone will start to plan and buy early.

My stance stays.

Every Singapore citizen (not PR) should have fundamental rights to public housing and bringing the age forward will help defray later society impact as more chose not to get married, and stop marrying for sake of BTO and possibility of magic - increase in local population because they have more chance to procreate before marriage.

Malaysian rent a room cos they need a roof over their head. If they got sg relative confirm will go over and stay one

Not actually, if relative(s) no children and house big enough is ok but too many people can be troublesome living under a roof too.

HDBs now getting smaller and smaller liao, if pack too many people is just a recipe for disaster. Personal space is vital for mental well-being.

Then start building more. Reclaim more land for space.
Don't ask us to breed when there are no shelter for us to live in.

Precisely, embarking on a population ponzi scheme is the worst ever decisions made by our leaders. Can't believe they still want follow Hong Kong, after seeing how disastrous the consequences there

 

[mummynew]

Think a simpler tweak govt can do probably is to allow singles who want to get out from their nuclear families to use CPF to pay rentals, subject to a cap (like the average rental rate of a single room).

I empathise with those who are trapped in non-conducive living environments and subject themselves to mental stress due to lack of cash to tide themselves through. Govt needs to help these people by allowing them to use their own money to help themselves.

Getting out of toxic living environments or adults who want to live alone for whatsoever reasons likely to yield better overall long term population 'quality' (in terms of lesser crimes, sucides, mental medical costs, possibility of higher creativity etc).

Human behaviours are changing fast but govt is not following the trend fast enough.

 

[jywy2005]

On the other end of the spectrum, those residents who are living alone, nobody will know if they suddenly fall sick or even uplorry…

It’s a double edged sword.