Career path for IT pros

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Basically, age is a major factor in anybody's career. In Singapore, 35 onwards is considered 'old' and some sectors like tech it's even worse.

It's not a matter of how good you are but how the larger economy sees 'older folks' with a prejudice. There will always be a few lucky ones but the bigger picture always hold true most of the time.

Unfortunately, that's reality.

Age is definitely a factor. That is why providing more value as one ages and staying with current knowledge is something very important to stay relevant. Soft skill also makes a lot of differences when coming to mingle with decision makers.

Luckily as people outside the loop may see it, but it could be investment made in relationships too. Career is a multidimensional subject, isn’t it? :)
 

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It's hard to teach old dogs new tricks. :D
But if there is a will to learn, there will always be a way. :o
 

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Common trend among technical codes like us, are issues surrounding new tech update, cheaper outsourcing from cina/india and the unwillingness to ditch old practice. However with survival being the key here, I think me meant doing whatever it takes, be it becoming a PM/BA/Architect, or switching line to to tech sales/pre-sales, support etc.

With all that said, another very important aspect for tech coders like us, is the familiarization with a specific industry, the few most lucrative ones are Finance, Oil/Gas, Insurance etc. IT itself, had always been a supportive pillar, for different industry have difference weightage for the IT Pillar, unless of course, you are looking into consultancy and/or providing IT Solutioning service, that's a different ballgame and these industry tend to favor cheaper younger crowds.

I've spend >10 years in the Banking/Financial IT development realm. money is good, prospect is always high, however volatility is an issue. Tech advancement in banks are generally slow, and the core of the trade here is to muster the business process of the pillar you are supporting.
 

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It's hard to teach old dogs new tricks. :D
But if there is a will to learn, there will always be a way. :o

Well it is all up to oneself. No one can battle time, but one can prolong and stretch out the effects of it. That process doesn’t comes without effort. One can make it an on-going process that is built from day one, or one can make great leaps within a short period of time (I am talking about years). The former will be like a routine one will feel just the same as any other young person because a routine often don’t feel as laborious since it is emerged into one’s life, much like exercising.

I knew this when I am still early in the IT industry which is why I don’t feel like it is a hassle to always keep myself abreast of the current. It is an investment to make as part of this industry or in fact any other industries too :)
 

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In IT, there are many paths to walk

Network - It could be a MPLS solution, Layer 2 point to point, SD-WAN or even IoT. There are lots to read and think about. The trend now is into SD-WAN and IoT.

Cloud - Sort of network as well - you are talking about AWS, Azure and integrating Azure with Skype for business.

Software - BA in programming, coding, and software testing.

Project management in delivery

Sales and pre sales - solution selling.

There are many paths, but all are hard work.
 

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just curious.. is BA a role with good prospects?
or dying due to agile

IMO junior BA, waste time. Unless you are a veteran in that business domain, which makes your deep domain knowledge a real asset which can truly help in the technological evolution, otherwise, I don’t see how a green BA has more to offer than a software engineer learning about the business requirements on the fly.

Of course the size of your organisation matters, but if you set out to be a BA right from the start, how would you differentiate from a vendor engineer whom just enter the industry?

So far BA i saw are no different from just calling themselves end-users. I simply don’t find how they add value apart from doing liasons in the project meetings.
 

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Any advice for a 40+ yrs retrenched IT executive with only BSC in IT, and is cust helpdsk svc & desktop sppt/basic svr maint exp for the past 20+ yrs? The retrenchment jolted me awake and I'm really desperate now. I spent many nights soul searching and decided I should start fresh and learn coding. My ultimate aim is to become a software engineer and plan to learn front/backend/database programming. It's gonna be hard but I think this is the only way to save myself. Thoughts?
 

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Any advice for a 40+ yrs retrenched IT executive with only BSC in IT, and is cust helpdsk svc & desktop sppt/basic svr maint exp for the past 20+ yrs? The retrenchment jolted me awake and I'm really desperate now. I spent many nights soul searching and decided I should start fresh and learn coding. My ultimate aim is to become a software engineer and plan to learn front/backend/database programming. It's gonna be hard but I think this is the only way to save myself. Thoughts?

Well just trying to give you some encouragement. I think you pretty much nailed it, you are at a low point right now having you have not been keeping up to date with the industry requirements and trend.

That being said, 40+ while isn’t the most exciting year to kickstart a new career roadmap, would be better than you just stay put and not do anything about it. You must be prepared to lower your expectation, since it will be a hard time for you to compete against the younger and more hungry fresh grads.

I will recommend that while you are on a job hunt for an entry level SME software development job, that is if you wanted such a job, or if you are going to find a similar job to your previous job scope, do take up a private course on career conversion. AI and Big Data will not be a good fit despite they are hot topic. I will recommend Cloud computing, which might be a better reach for you, and in addition also software engineering skill set. It might be a hard 5 years battle at least but you wouldn’t be reaching retirement yet, so it will still helps along the way. All the best to you.
 

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Thanks Davidktw, my first priority is to find a job (any IT job related to my past skills) and take courses at night. Your suggestions are very helpful
 

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i started converting from maritime industry to IT back in 2018. Have bee picking up front end and backend capability before taking up devops role in 2019.
 

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Some observations about our industry in Singapore, its ... well, I will be frank and say its mostly tough. You read stories about tech boom in Europe and United States and think its great to join in, but Singapore is not Europe/United States. Remember, both the EU and US control their immigration pretty tightly but they can afford to do so since they already have a large base of tech people to choose from and the various countries of the former have pretty decent HR practices which they usually export overseas.

Singapore? Anything above SGD3600 is basically an EP, mitigated by that Fair Consideration Framework. You might think you are very valuable but I learnt the hard way several times is that when someone else is paying you, what matters is the stuff you bring to the table. Agism is an issue as well.

First some historical background. The government first "open the floodgates" era (before 2005 elections) brought in a glut of cheap IT personnel from a range of countries, including well, India. What happened is a great many of well paid and well treated IT staff was retrenched off from many companies. There was also "systematic discrimination" (not just in IT) that took the government a long time to even admit openly >> Fair Consideration Framework was implemented in 2013. So locals were really turned off on the tech side of things for a time.

If you are young and really like the work, by all means continue since I assume you will keep yourself updated. More importantly is that be sociable, show human / leadership qualities, take up responsibilities and do not turn down opportunities into more senior stuff like being a team or tech lead or things that are more people facing like consulting (which is really that). That will add value to your technical / business domain portfolio.

Take charge of your career.
 
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Study cyber security can go where work ah actually? Is there a FAANG equivalent for cyber security people?
 

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Well just trying to give you some encouragement. I think you pretty much nailed it, you are at a low point right now having you have not been keeping up to date with the industry requirements and trend.

That being said, 40+ while isn’t the most exciting year to kickstart a new career roadmap, would be better than you just stay put and not do anything about it. You must be prepared to lower your expectation, since it will be a hard time for you to compete against the younger and more hungry fresh grads.

I will recommend that while you are on a job hunt for an entry level SME software development job, that is if you wanted such a job, or if you are going to find a similar job to your previous job scope, do take up a private course on career conversion. AI and Big Data will not be a good fit despite they are hot topic. I will recommend Cloud computing, which might be a better reach for you, and in addition also software engineering skill set. It might be a hard 5 years battle at least but you wouldn’t be reaching retirement yet, so it will still helps along the way. All the best to you.

Hi david, just want to know why you mention that AI and Big Data will not be a good fit despite they are hot topic.i am in similar situation as him so i will like to find out more. When you mention cloud computing, does it including data center infrastructure skillset?

Thank in advance.
 

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Hi david, just want to know why you mention that AI and Big Data will not be a good fit despite they are hot topic.i am in similar situation as him so i will like to find out more. When you mention cloud computing, does it including data center infrastructure skillset?

Thank in advance.

In a harsh manner, one has to reflect onto one's capability at times. Obviously no one else can tell you what you can be because simply they do not know enough. But any individual will want to be truthful for his/her own sake. The advise is merely given as a 3rd party, recipient should ponder over it and assess if it is appropriate.

I was advising based on the following description
Any advice for a 40+ yrs retrenched IT executive with only BSC in IT, and is cust helpdsk svc & desktop sppt/basic svr maint exp for the past 20+ yrs? The retrenchment jolted me awake and I'm really desperate now. I spent many nights soul searching and decided I should start fresh and learn coding. My ultimate aim is to become a software engineer and plan to learn front/backend/database programming. It's gonna be hard but I think this is the only way to save myself. Thoughts?

While I advocate 活到老学到老,it doesn't mean the way at which one will absorb at the age of 40-50 is the same as one whom is 10-20. Also the mentality/心境 is different.

AI and BIG DATA is a radically different field as oppose to the normal software engineering and system engineering. Based on the past 20 years experience of the said poster, his/her lowest lying fruit, IMHO, is cloud computing. Starting afresh to pick up all the necessary fundamentals to be successful in AI and Big Data is a rush timeline for someone whom is in one's 40s while mainly only experienced as a system engineer. Even software engineering will be a significant jump.

On the other hand, cloud computing is extension from system engineering with a good mixture of devops; hence the inclusion of a software engineering skill set. Future employers looking for a cloud computing certified engineer will regard his/her past experience as a system engineer a relevant skill set. AI and BIG DATA does not regard system engineers as prior skill set.

Does it answer your doubt to my recommendation ? :)
 

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While I advocate 活到老学到老,it doesn't mean the way at which one will absorb at the age of 40-50 is the same as one whom is 10-20. Also the mentality/心境 is different.

AI and BIG DATA is a radically different field as oppose to the normal software engineering and system engineering. Based on the past 20 years experience of the said poster, his/her lowest lying fruit, IMHO, is cloud computing. Starting afresh to pick up all the necessary fundamentals to be successful in AI and Big Data is a rush timeline for someone whom is in one's 40s while mainly only experienced as a system engineer. Even software engineering will be a significant jump.

On the other hand, cloud computing is extension from system engineering with a good mixture of devops; hence the inclusion of a software engineering skill set. Future employers looking for a cloud computing certified engineer will regard his/her past experience as a system engineer a relevant skill set. AI and BIG DATA does not regard system engineers as prior skill set.

Does it answer your doubt to my recommendation ? :)

Hi David, thanks for replying again. I thought you previously replied me already?

Anyway, just to update you that I managed to find a job as Project Manager. And the work is very very hectic and busy. End up now i don't have time to study...
 

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Hi David, thanks for replying again. I thought you previously replied me already?

Anyway, just to update you that I managed to find a job as Project Manager. And the work is very very hectic and busy. End up now i don't have time to study...

I was replying to someone else. The other poster asked about why I gave you the advices earlier. I'm glad you have found a PM job. Keep upgrading yourself - Don't stop. :)

We all have no time, time has to be squeezed out from our lives. The evergreen IT landscape doesn't stop for any of us. :)
 

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I was replying to someone else. The other poster asked about why I gave you the advices earlier. I'm glad you have found a PM job. Keep upgrading yourself - Don't stop. :)

We all have no time, time has to be squeezed out from our lives. The evergreen IT landscape doesn't stop for any of us. :)

Do you study during office hours? Or at home? Wife doesn't complain? :s13:
 
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