Consumed MC can be declined?

[reddevil0728]

I did already post why they revoke it.

Sorry correction, yes you did.

You know the reason they cancel, cause too many ML. But that doesn’t mean they don’t think your illness is not genuine what. W diff things

 

[Weepya]

Sorry correction, yes you did.

You know the reason they cancel, cause too many ML. But that doesn’t mean they don’t think your illness is not genuine what. W diff things

Thats the thing, i'm so confused as of right now. They are currently bringing the AWOL report to my step father for signing and idk what that is.

 

[reddevil0728]

Being charged does not necessarily mean you will be found guilty. If all your documents are in order, you have observed the necessary protocols and you have been genuine, you have nothing to fear.

If you feel that your case has been handled inappropriately, then the proper protocol is to either bring it up the chain of command, or via the feedback unit. If these avenues have been exhausted, then you can consider seeking help from your MP.

Beyond this, it is pointless to speculate further on an online forum.



Correct. Only the issuing doctor (or his superior, if in a public hospital) can revoke the MC. The MC after all represents the doctor's professional opinion on the serviceman fitness for duty. The CO cannot revoke an opinion, but he can choose not to defer to it.

MC and ML are often (wrongly) used interchangeably, but in situations like these precision in language is important.

Yes definitely, in social conversation, mc and ml used interchangeably ppl can understand. But for this situation is important to be precise.

But I’m just a bit puzzled, if the CO can choose not to honour the Medical Leave, given by virtue of the MC, then like that if the patient end up suffering the consequences of what the medical leave aims to prevent, isn’t that strange?

 

[reddevil0728]

Thats the thing, i'm so confused as of right now. They are currently bringing the AWOL report to my step father for signing and idk what that is.

What makes you think we know what that is?

 

[Weepya]

Yes definitely, in social conversation, mc and ml used interchangeably ppl can understand. But for this situation is important to be precise.

But I’m just a bit puzzled, if the CO can choose not to honour the Medical Leave, given by virtue of the MC, then like that if the patient end up suffering the consequences of what the medical leave aims to prevent, isn’t that strange?

Exactly, My DXO says he's charging me with AWOL since jan, that includes the first 2 weeks of leave i took, My medical appointments and also the 2 weeks of MC given by the SAF MO.

 

[reddevil0728]

Exactly, My DXO says he's charging me with AWOL since jan, that includes the first 2 weeks of leave i took, My medical appointments and also the 2 weeks of MC given by the SAF MO.

Erm pls don’t conflate the 2 things.

 

[Weepya]

Erm pls don’t conflate the 2 things.

Oh..sorry sorry

 

[Lurkerdoc]

What do you mean (his superior, at a public hospital) ?

Care in public hospitals is usually provided by a team of doctors. Within the team there are junior doctors supervised by a consultant (the Dr in charge).

E.g. A junior doctor gives an inappropriate MC. Senior doctor (i.e. the consultant in charge) can revoke the MC.

Yes definitely, in social conversation, mc and ml used interchangeably ppl can understand. But for this situation is important to be precise.

But I’m just a bit puzzled, if the CO can choose not to honour the Medical Leave, given by virtue of the MC, then like that if the patient end up suffering the consequences of what the medical leave aims to prevent, isn’t that strange?

Then the CO himself will be liable for disciplinary action. That's why the Medical Corps exists to provide a counter check. Although the CO is the one making the final decision, this is usually after consultation with the Medical Corps. The Medical Corps will not hesitate to argue in defence of genuine/riskier cases.

Most COs are not so foolhardy as to ignore the opinion of both the primary doctor and the Medical Corps if they are in agreement. Most people won't want to take the risk upon themselves nowadays. That said, I am by no means guaranteeing that idiocy does not exist.

 

[reddevil0728]

Care in public hospitals is usually provided by a team of doctors. Within the team there are junior doctors supervised by a consultant (the Dr in charge).

E.g. A junior doctor gives an inappropriate MC. Senior doctor (i.e. the consultant in charge) can revoke the MC.



Then the CO himself will be liable for disciplinary action. That's why the Medical Corps exists to provide a counter check. Although the CO is the one making the final decision, this is usually after consultation with the Medical Corps. The Medical Corps will not hesitate to argue in defence of genuine/riskier cases.

Most COs are not so foolhardy as to ignore the opinion of both the primary doctor and the Medical Corps if they are in agreement. Most people won't want to take the risk upon themselves nowadays. That said, I am by no means guaranteeing that idiocy does not exist.

Oh ok la. U r being very precise here.

 

[Weepya]

Care in public hospitals is usually provided by a team of doctors. Within the team there are junior doctors supervised by a consultant (the Dr in charge).

E.g. A junior doctor gives an inappropriate MC. Senior doctor (i.e. the consultant in charge) can revoke the MC.



Then the CO himself will be liable for disciplinary action. That's why the Medical Corps exists to provide a counter check. Although the CO is the one making the final decision, this is usually after consultation with the Medical Corps. The Medical Corps will not hesitate to argue in defence of genuine/riskier cases.

Most COs are not so foolhardy as to ignore the opinion of both the primary doctor and the Medical Corps if they are in agreement. Most people won't want to take the risk upon themselves nowadays. That said, I am by no means guaranteeing that idiocy does not exist.

So what does that mean?

 

[reddevil0728]

So what does that mean?

What does what mean.

 

[SinglePaul]

I personally feel that if ur illnesses are genuine & all ur MCs are proven & endorsed to be genuine then u are safe!

U should bring this out to the higher authority (if u are allowed to do so) to seek redress that u are wrongfully & unfairly accused of something u hv not committed!

 

[Weepya]

I personally feel that if ur illnesses are genuine & all ur MCs are proven & endorsed to be genuine then u are safe!

U should bring this out to the higher authority (if u are allowed to do so) to seek redress that u are wrongfully & unfairly accused of something u hv not committed!

Like i've stated before, if the doctors here let me go through mutiple tests to see if i really do have a genuine sickness, then i have nothing to fear from them giving me the MC cause it's a legit sickness since young which is asthma and depression since a kid when i witness my moms death first hand.

 

[Weepya]

Care in public hospitals is usually provided by a team of doctors. Within the team there are junior doctors supervised by a consultant (the Dr in charge).

E.g. A junior doctor gives an inappropriate MC. Senior doctor (i.e. the consultant in charge) can revoke the MC.



Then the CO himself will be liable for disciplinary action. That's why the Medical Corps exists to provide a counter check. Although the CO is the one making the final decision, this is usually after consultation with the Medical Corps. The Medical Corps will not hesitate to argue in defence of genuine/riskier cases.

Most COs are not so foolhardy as to ignore the opinion of both the primary doctor and the Medical Corps if they are in agreement. Most people won't want to take the risk upon themselves nowadays. That said, I am by no means guaranteeing that idiocy does not exist.

Turns out its my CO who is retaking all of ML/MC back because its too many. Can they really do that without MO?

 

[reddevil0728]

I personally feel that if ur illnesses are genuine & all ur MCs are proven & endorsed to be genuine then u are safe!

U should bring this out to the higher authority (if u are allowed to do so) to seek redress that u are wrongfully & unfairly accused of something u hv not committed!

no such thing as not allowed to do so 1 lor.

Like i've stated before, if the doctors here let me go through mutiple tests to see if i really do have a genuine sickness, then i have nothing to fear from them giving me the MC cause it's a legit sickness since young which is asthma and depression since a kid when i witness my moms death first hand.

if the doctors here...? you mean did they didn't?

Turns out its my CO who is retaking all of ML/MC back because its too many. Can they really do that without MO?

If we say cannot here, you go tell ur CO, someone in hwz say cannot. why u go take?

 

[Weepya]

no such thing as not allowed to do so 1 lor.
if the doctors here...? you mean did they didn't?

If we say cannot here, you go tell ur CO, someone in hwz say cannot. why u go take?

I'm asking a genuine question leh

 

[reddevil0728]

I'm asking a genuine question leh

I am giving you a genuine reply.

 

[Purplestars]

Read this again:



They are valid as medical opinions. But that is a completely separate matter from the decision to grant medical leave.

As others have pointed out, if one indeed has a genuine illness, one has nothing to fear.

LOL WTF! Valid as medical opinion means not valid right.

Then MCs cannot be used as sick leave outside as well as it is only a valid medical opinion?

 

[Purplestars]

Don't be too harsh on TS, he is just a scared little boy who doesn't know his rights.

If your MCs are all valid and given by actual doctors and MOs, just hold your ground and tell your CO to fuck off. Call SAF hotline if you have to. It's another empty threat to scare the conscripts into not taking MCs, they will back down like a pussy if you stick to your guns.

 

[yusoffb01]

if you are really innocent, then your superior is having a power trip. get your story right in terms of timeline then start practicing explaining the situation. when you are charged in court, you will have a chance to explain yourself again and the judge will give your sentence accordingly.

Your superior would have come up with an investigation report. eg on this date, you were not in camp or were late.

to defend yourself you need to know why your superior charged you, and come up with an answer explain beforehand eg why those days you awol.