CPF Account Value Thread 2023

Okenba

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For someone who derive so much satisfaction from work, u r spending alot time in hwz on a weekday. Y is that? U sld be working.
He doesn't get satisfaction from his work. He gets satisfaction in being paid for it. He said it himself that getting paid is the most important part. He's a bean counter. Like to see his bank account go up.
If that is what life is about for him, then let him be lah.
 

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Comparing with other people is bad for your mental health 😅
Your target should be for your passive income > current expenses, in order to reach financial independence. Whether you want to Retire Early after achieving FI, everyone is different, depends on your job and personality.

I also see no reason to criticise someone with large amounts in OA. And what is large to some may be small to others. If they have 'enough', what reason is there for them to put in effort to get 'more'?
 

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If life payout is deducted from his RA means he has opted for Basic Plan. In normal case the deductions would last to just before 90 when RA is $0 and therefrom he continue to receive life payout from the pool, albeit a slightly lower payout. If he uplorry before 90, whatever left in RA goes to his nominee.
Just like to know. After 65 years old and started CPF Life payout .Do the CPF member still receive any interest in his own RA account from 65 to about 90 years old.
 

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Just like to know. After 65 years old and started CPF Life payout .Do the CPF member still receive any interest in his own RA account from 65 to about 90 years old.
Whichever CPFL plan you choose, as long as you still have RA, it will keep earning interest until RA is exhausted is zeroed.

If you choose Standard or Escalating Plan, your RA will be zeroed. If you choose Basic Plan, you still have RA and interest will be paid on RA till it is exhausted.
 
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Whichever CPFL plan you choose, as long as you still have RA, it will keep earning interest until RA is exhausted is zeroed.

If you choose Standard or Escalating Plan, your RA will be zeroed. If you choose Basic Plan, you still have RA and interest will be paid on RA till it is exhausted.
but if on basic plan and CPFL started, no point to top up the RA account anymore right?
 

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Comparing with other people is bad for your mental health 😅
Your target should be for your passive income > current expenses, in order to reach financial independence. Whether you want to Retire Early after achieving FI, everyone is different, depends on your job and personality.

I also see no reason to criticise someone with large amounts in OA. And what is large to some may be small to others. If they have 'enough', what reason is there for them to put in effort to get 'more'?
there are contradictions in your post.
"Your target should be for your passive income > current expense"
"no reason to criticise someone with large amounts in OA"

someone with large amount of oa is not helping passive income > current expense. even if passive income > current expense, does it hurt if passive income >>> current expense?

and if large oa is small to the guy, then showing off here is the only thing that is achieved.
 

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but if on basic plan and CPFL started, no point to top up the RA account anymore right?
Whichever CPFL plan you choose, as long as you still have RA, it will keep earning interest until RA is exhausted is zeroed.

If you choose Standard or Escalating Plan, your RA will be zeroed. If you choose Basic Plan, you still have RA and interest will be paid on RA till it is exhausted.
Any advantage for you to do Topping up RA at 65 years old and CPF life start withdraw?
 

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but if on basic plan and CPFL started, no point to top up the RA account anymore right?
Any advantage for you to do Topping up RA at 65 years old and CPF life start withdraw?
Sure, there's a point/advantage to topping up a Retirement Account: higher monthly CPF LIFE payouts for the rest of your life (and higher residuals if/when there are residuals). That's true regardless of the payout plan.
 

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Just like to know. After 65 years old and started CPF Life payout .Do the CPF member still receive any interest in his own RA account from 65 to about 90 years old.
If you choose Basic Plan, your RA account will continue to earn 4% plus extra interest. If u choose the other 2, all interest goes to the pool.
 

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Any advantage for you to do Topping up RA at 65 years old and CPF life start withdraw?
It is simple common sense, I just answer this question: Can I earn more than 4% pa interest risk free with my monies outside RA? We are living in a different "short term era" of rising interest rates which CPF cannot catch up!
 
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It is simple common sense, I just answer this question: Can I earn more than 4% pa interest risk free with my monies outside RA? We are living in a different "short term era" of rising interest rates which CPF cannot catch up!
very good. while we are in this short term era, enjoy it while it last. next time when rates drop, then you top up your ra with cash
 

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Sure, there's a point/advantage to topping up a Retirement Account: higher monthly CPF LIFE payouts for the rest of your life (and higher residuals if/when there are residuals). That's true regardless of the payout plan.
im talking about topping up the RA acc after the CPFL has already started and not before start of CPFL, are u sure the payout would increase ?
 

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im talking about topping up the RA acc after the CPFL has already started and not before start of CPFL, are u sure the payout would increase ?
Any top up would increase payout the month after. But why top up why money outside RA is earning more.
 

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If you choose Basic Plan, your RA account will continue to earn 4% plus extra interest. If u choose the other 2, all interest goes to the pool.
...which is factored into your (higher) CPF LIFE monthly payout.
It is simple common sense, I just answer this question: Can I earn more than 4% pa interest risk free with my monies outside RA? We are living in a different "short term era" of rising interest rates which CPF cannot catch up!
Since even 6 month T-bills are currently yielding >4%, yes. But that doesn't necessarily mean you should withdraw dollars from RA to chase T-bills or other securities. That's because you may not be able to put RA dollars back when market interest rates are lower.
im talking about topping up the RA acc after the CPFL has already started and not before start of CPFL, are u sure the payout would increase ?
Of course! Where do you think those dollars go? Pluto?

In the past there used to be something called Additional Monthly Payouts (AMPs) that were available as an option, but now it's simpler. Whenever you top up a Retirement Account after CPF LIFE payouts have started the CPF Board will automatically recompute your monthly payout amount every July then adjust it upward to account for your top up. That's true of every payout plan. The increase is for life.
 

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Any top up would increase payout the month after. But why top up why money outside RA is earning more.
Actually, no, at least not by default. The CPF Board automatically recomputes every July. I think you can ask the CPF Board to recompute sooner, but I'm not sure about that. If the CPF Board can recompute sooner the increase will be slightly less.
 

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Actually, no, at least not by default. The CPF Board automatically recomputes every July. I think you can ask the CPF Board to recompute sooner, but I'm not sure about that. If the CPF Board can recompute sooner the increase will be slightly less.
Inflows from Nov 2021 go straight to increase life payout and no more amp. So what default you referring to?

Anyway, my point is not so much on when is payout but the rational of topping up.
 
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Inflows from Nov 2021 go straight to increase life payout and no more amp. So what default you referring to?
They do, but in that event the CPF Board (by default anyway) recomputes CPF LIFE payouts once per year, in July. That's also when any actuarial adjustments are made (if they're made).

However, you may be able to ask for (and get) an earlier recomputation after a top up if you contact the CPF Board.
 

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They do, but in that event the CPF Board (by default anyway) recomputes CPF LIFE payouts once per year, in July. That's also when any actuarial adjustments are made (if they're made).

However, you may be able to ask for (and get) an earlier recomputation after a top up if you contact the CPF Board.
What you saying is not what CPF saying. Those were under amp. From 2021 no more amp.
 

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im talking about topping up the RA acc after the CPFL has already started and not before start of CPFL, are u sure the payout would increase ?
After CPFL is started, you can still topup RA but these monies go to increase your CPFL premium to trigger a revision in your monthly payout. Effective 2022 (not sure when it started), all topups will go to CPFL premium (depending on the plan you joined), CPF will trigger the change in your CPFL policy, I think is every July, which in turn will trigger the revised monthly payout. Now the website is useless, cannot find what I want!
 
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