Door bell with camera recommendations

[smoking.goblin]

Hi, any recommendations for outdoor video doorbell? My 70 year old parents spend most of their time on the 2nd floor of their house. Thinking of getting them a video doorbell so they won't have to keep walking up and down whenever someone is at the gate.

You can try Ring doorbell with Solar charger

 

[winningeleven]

same here! just installed the Eufy dual battery doorbell recently at my new place, and tapped it to the default bto doorbell switch wires to make it powered


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I am using wired eufy 2k doorbell and same as u did. Make sure of the hdb wiring.

U mean u could convert the latest dual eufy camera battery version into wired? Coz I see many sellers are selling the battery version and wonder where to get the wired version.

 

[tkdboi]

I am using wired eufy 2k doorbell and same as u did. Make sure of the hdb wiring.
U mean u could convert the latest dual eufy camera battery version into wired? Coz I see many sellers are selling the battery version and wonder where to get the wired version.

I didn't do any special conversion. but mine shows the powered icon ever since I connected it lol. I believe if I do turn off the switch it will switch to battery power but I haven't had to manually check power or do anything on it for the past 3 months already



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[winningeleven]

I didn't do any special conversion. but mine shows the powered icon ever since I connected it lol. I believe if I do turn off the switch it will switch to battery power but I haven't had to manually check power or do anything on it for the past 3 months already



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After reading your previous post. I went to youtude and finding out more about the battery version and wired version. Then I know there is some difference on the Eufy doorbell.

Actually Battery version can be wired too. All battery version comes with a home based that u used to connect your home Internet connection and the video is saved thru there. It is also acted as doorbell chime.

Wired version does not have the homebase and all the videos are saved internally into the memory of the doorbell. If someone go ripped off the doorbell. U won't be able to view the video since u need the doorbell to connect your home WiFi to view video. Unlike the battery home based.

As wired version is always be ON and standby to record.. It will able to record 3 second before motion detection. Unlike battery. Only record after motion is detected. By the time it might be too late for some scenarios like thief who stole your parcel or shoes outside..

 

[HelIoo]

any recommendation on tuya wireless doorbell + motion recording into sd card that can be install onexisting door peephole?

bought one but the response on motion to record is slow.

 

[wacko]

any recommendation on tuya wireless doorbell + motion recording into sd card that can be install onexisting door peephole?

bought one but the response on motion to record is slow.

typically battery powered devices are like that, you won't get the recording of the first few seconds.

 

[McKee14]

hi all! I've read articles online that doorbell cameras are illegal to be installed at HDB houses if the camera is facing common corridor. is this true?

I'm looking to install one but is afraid of contravening any laws as my unit is directly facing the common corridor walkway to the lift.


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[elvintay07]

hi all! I've read articles online that doorbell cameras are illegal to be installed at HDB houses if the camera is facing common corridor. is this true?

I'm looking to install one but is afraid of contravening any laws as my unit is directly facing the common corridor walkway to the lift.


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Got such law? You actually enhancing the security lei.

 

[wacko]

hi all! I've read articles online that doorbell cameras are illegal to be installed at HDB houses if the camera is facing common corridor. is this true?

I'm looking to install one but is afraid of contravening any laws as my unit is directly facing the common corridor walkway to the lift.


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Got such law? You actually enhancing the security lei.

https://www.mnd.gov.sg/newsroom/par...or-metal-gate-facing-the-common-corridor-area

 

[elvintay07]

https://www.mnd.gov.sg/newsroom/par...or-metal-gate-facing-the-common-corridor-area

Door bell and cctv different lei.

 

[wacko]

Door bell and cctv different lei.

feel free to justify that to HDB and SPF.

 

[elvintay07]

Aiya, if scare then just use the conventional doorbell la. Or no doorbell even better. Just use hand knock on the door lo.

 

[elvintay07]

feel free to justify that to HDB and SPF.

Maybe to discuss so it benefit everyone. I need to put on my intellectual hat so that I can discuss this with HDB and SPF scholars

CCTV means “closed-circuit television” and is commonly known as a video surveillance technology. “Closed-circuit” means broadcasts are limited (closed) to a selected group of monitors, unlike “regular” TV, which can be received and viewed by whoever sets up a reception device.

Video doorbells are doorbells that have a built-in camera to help protect your home from package theft and burglary.

If we assess like a professor marking exam papers, both are obviously different. Now back to the NEA assessment. HDB flat owners are not allowed to install CCTV cameras at their unit's main door facing the common corridor or common areas, to protect the privacy of their neighbours.

2 argument:
(1) Doorbell is not CCTV
(2) HDB got “private” corridor? Serious boh? Unless you are staying in landed, all corridor are common lei. Even the piece in front of your HDB flat is common. To conclude, CCTV cannot install outside HDB front door but doorbell camera can. End of the day also depends on your neighbours. Heng I don’t stay in HDB so don’t care

 

[wacko]

Maybe to discuss so it benefit everyone. I need to put on my intellectual hat so that I can discuss this with HDB and SPF scholars

CCTV means “closed-circuit television” and is commonly known as a video surveillance technology. “Closed-circuit” means broadcasts are limited (closed) to a selected group of monitors, unlike “regular” TV, which can be received and viewed by whoever sets up a reception device.

Video doorbells are doorbells that have a built-in camera to help protect your home from package theft and burglary.

If we assess like a professor marking exam papers, both are obviously different. Now back to the NEA assessment. HDB flat owners are not allowed to install CCTV cameras at their unit's main door facing the common corridor or common areas, to protect the privacy of their neighbours.

2 argument:
(1) Doorbell is not CCTV
(2) HDB got “private” corridor? Serious boh? Unless you are staying in landed, all corridor are common lei. Even the piece in front of your HDB flat is common. To conclude, CCTV cannot install outside HDB front door but doorbell camera can. End of the day also depends on your neighbours. Heng I don’t stay in HDB so don’t care

https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/legally-install-cctvs-home-business-singapore/
sorry you wasted your breath

 

[elvintay07]

Thanks. Paiseh HDB folks, back to mechanical doorbells
Law are confusing. In the case of peepholes, no approval from the Town Council is required as they are attached to your door and are considered to be within your HDB unit. However, as discussed above, you should be sensitive to your neighbours’ concerns. If your neighbours feel that it is overly intrusive and amounts to a surveillance of the common areas, they can lodge a complaint to HDB. If someone attached doorbell camera on their door, is it considered to be within their HDB unit huh? Bro Wacko can help clear this doubt?

 

[wacko]

Thanks. Paiseh HDB folks, back to mechanical doorbells
Law are confusing. In the case of peepholes, no approval from the Town Council is required as they are attached to your door and are considered to be within your HDB unit. However, as discussed above, you should be sensitive to your neighbours’ concerns. If your neighbours feel that it is overly intrusive and amounts to a surveillance of the common areas, they can lodge a complaint to HDB. If someone attached doorbell camera on their door, is it considered to be within their HDB unit huh? Bro Wacko can help clear this doubt?

if laws are all straightforward, we don't need lawyers. the main door is the owner's property, the wall outside of the main door is common property. hence I believe anything attached to the main door would be considered within the HDB unit.

i think this is currently a massive grey area, many HDB dwellers have installed such devices, be it on their main doors, or on the adjacent external facing wall. all of these cameras will point at common areas which it is not unreasonable for same floor neighbours to deem as overly intrusive (it can monitor the timings of when their children leave and return homes for example). some of these cameras are even able to capture the insides of neighbouring units, which I think is a straightforward no contest. so just be aware of all these, and do what you do with eyes wide open.

 

[elvintay07]

if laws are all straightforward, we don't need lawyers. the main door is the owner's property, the wall outside of the main door is common property. hence I believe anything attached to the main door would be considered within the HDB unit.

i think this is currently a massive grey area, many HDB dwellers have installed such devices, be it on their main doors, or on the adjacent external facing wall. all of these cameras will point at common areas which it is not unreasonable for same floor neighbours to deem as overly intrusive (it can monitor the timings of when their children leave and return homes for example). some of these cameras are even able to capture the insides of neighbouring units, which I think is a straightforward no contest. so just be aware of all these, and do what you do with eyes wide open.

I say already mah. HDB where got private area one. Unless u say it is inside

 

[wacko]

I say already mah. HDB where got private area one. Unless u say it is inside

the main door and gate is considered "private" property, and not common property, if that is what you are asking.

 

[elvintay07]

the main door and gate is considered "private" property, and not common property, if that is what you are asking.

But you still take images/ footage outside common area. I think if one hero mount cctv onto main gate, then I presume also grey.

 

[wacko]

But you still take images/ footage outside common area. I think if one hero mount cctv onto main gate, then I presume also grey.

yes, and the HDB context has 2 facets. 1 is do you require a town council approval to install a CCTV or CCTV-like device, to which the answer is yes if the device is to be in a common area (e.g. external facing wall adjacent to the main door). 2 is any neighbour will be able to object to such a device (doesn't matter where they are installed), if they can substantiate that it is intruding on their privacy. the 2nd facet is essentially a catch all, if you don't have a pre-existing reason for installing a CCTV or CCTV-like device (e.g. unwarranted loan shark harassment). hence in HDB context, it is basically GG once a neighbour complains.