Electric toothbrush

[WussRedXLi]

300ml water tank.


It takes 53 seconds to empty a full water tank. Not too bad.
Panasonic AA is 40 seconds with a fully recharged set, on average would be around 50 seconds. But note the Panasonic has a 160ml reservoir.

The pressure PSI of the h2oflosser is power, would not be lower than the Panasonic or Waterpik AAs. Coupled with the higher flowrate, absolutely no complaints with regards to the power.

So the issue is that coz it is so power, newbies with lousy gums health (typical) would find it difficult to use, coz for sure the first week would be a bloody sink and sore gums every single time this is used.

As you can see in the latter part of the video, the power dialed down is not very obvious with the water stream hitting the shampoo bottle. Just a little, like 30% down.


The mechanical switch seems good, very clicky, i think will be able to survive 2 years. The NiMH pack is 1500mAh 4.8V, anyway it's a 4-cell pack.
With my experience with chinese NiMH, this should last 1 year before you can find the performance degrading, maybe 2 years tops. Of coz these are not Eneloops, which'd easily let you use 3-4 years, even more.


I think 1-2 years of usage should not be of any issue. If heng, can use 2-3 years mark, more than enough for this cost.

The battery pack is not moddable or serviceable due to the small size. Past few posts i have mentioned that users modded theirs with 18650s (aircon cleaning), i believe they were modding another h2oflosser (countertop versions).

 

[WussRedXLi]

With the waterpik AA, once you changed to the pik pocket periodontal tip, you'd find the flowrate + PSI pressure drop a lot.

With the h2oflosser + periodontal "pik pocket" tip (not the normal jet tip), it doesn't really drop much. You hold your hand in front of the stream, you still can feel heckloads of power.

So be aware of this, this is a powerful little bugger, no doubt.

 

[WussRedXLi]

5 tips altogether. Basically i'd be using the jet tip and periodontal pik pocket tip.
There are 2 colour coded jet tips (red and blue). 1 pik pocket. 1 orthodontic (braces) tip.
1 maciam like spatula thingy, maybe for the gums or what.....won't really be using this i guess.

 

[WussRedXLi]

With this one, you don't even have to go buy a charger + set of NiMH, if you do not have such things at home. So that's an added saving.

Only "issue" is that presumably from my previous experience, the chinese NiMH would only go max of about 2 years. But that's to be expected and i feel it's pretty ok.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Same as you, mine also just almost touching 2 years and spoiled. Now trying to find any water flosser that has pik pocket tip to grab locally and immediately not. Feels very weird not to use it....

Nice. Please do a review of the h2ofloss. Need to dump my Philips airfloss liao. Thanks!

Can go ahead and get the h20flosser. Won't regret, i guarantee.

Cheapest + fast (ninjavan overseas warehouse / 快递 + ninjavan local last mile), not using normal China post air mail + local post).
edit - btw there is no perfect carrier........though things like 顺丰 international is like China DHL, but expensive.

SGD22 only, after 15% discount voucher applied (- SGD 3.88).

https://shopee.sg/h2ofloss-hf-3-premium-Oral-Irrigator-Teeth-Cleaning-Machine-i.15334894.1416452267



The NiMH battery pack (4 cells) did not pose an issue.

 

[huatkia]

Can go ahead and get the h20flosser. Won't regret, i guarantee.

Cheapest + fast (ninjavan overseas warehouse / 快递 + ninjavan local last mile), not using normal China post air mail + local post).
edit - btw there is no perfect carrier........though things like 顺丰 international is like China DHL, but expensive.

SGD22 only, after 15% discount voucher applied (- SGD 3.88).

https://shopee.sg/h2ofloss-hf-3-premium-Oral-Irrigator-Teeth-Cleaning-Machine-i.15334894.1416452267



The NiMH battery pack (4 cells) did not pose an issue.

Thanks a lot for the review bro! Will proceed to buy it. The flosser is real noisy eh?

 

[WussRedXLi]

Thanks a lot for the review bro! Will proceed to buy it. The flosser is real noisy eh?

Something like operating 2 x Panasonic or 2 x Waterpik AAs.

Nothing too unbearable.

I mean, every time i floss it's just within 1 min, 1 tank each time.

A lot of our so-called issues reported by locals and ang mohs are actually first world problems. Some say Philips sonicare is better coz the sound is more refined than oral b, and so the Philips sound more like a professional dental instrument.

I roll eyes.


Of coz, then again....i DIY ultrasonic scaling also...so, your mileage may vary.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Of coz, for other things like HEPA air purifier, then the noise is going to be one of the main factors in selection for me. That really contributes to fatique during 8-10hr use.

We need it coz my sons and I are susceptible to allergic rhinitis. (genetic)

 

[Ender]

300ml water tank.


It takes 53 seconds to empty a full water tank. Not too bad.
Panasonic AA is 40 seconds with a fully recharged set, on average would be around 50 seconds. But note the Panasonic has a 160ml reservoir.

The pressure PSI of the h2oflosser is power, would not be lower than the Panasonic or Waterpik AAs. Coupled with the higher flowrate, absolutely no complaints with regards to the power.

So the issue is that coz it is so power, newbies with lousy gums health (typical) would find it difficult to use, coz for sure the first week would be a bloody sink and sore gums every single time this is used.

As you can see in the latter part of the video, the power dialed down is not very obvious with the water stream hitting the shampoo bottle. Just a little, like 30% down.


The mechanical switch seems good, very clicky, i think will be able to survive 2 years. The NiMH pack is 1500mAh 4.8V, anyway it's a 4-cell pack.
With my experience with chinese NiMH, this should last 1 year before you can find the performance degrading, maybe 2 years tops. Of coz these are not Eneloops, which'd easily let you use 3-4 years, even more.


I think 1-2 years of usage should not be of any issue. If heng, can use 2-3 years mark, more than enough for this cost.

The battery pack is not moddable or serviceable due to the small size. Past few posts i have mentioned that users modded theirs with 18650s (aircon cleaning), i believe they were modding another h2oflosser (countertop versions).

I am on my 3rd H2ofloss.. ONe of them the battery just weaken after one year. The other also one year, the motor jammed.

I think for the battery, can be easily modded to use eneloop. It just four 1.2v AA in series. But don't know how to solder onto the battery.

 

[WussRedXLi]

I am on my 3rd H2ofloss.. ONe of them the battery just weaken after one year. The other also one year, the motor jammed.

I think for the battery, can be easily modded to use eneloop. It just four 1.2v AA in series. But don't know how to solder onto the battery.

Battery weakening/degradation maybe is still ok? I use chinese enelongs and BPI NiZn, so i am familiar with how they fare. With 4 x AA instead of 2, i think it's still gives an ok experience, coz there is a fair bit of performance buffer there. But i guess for those who are especially sensitive to charging once every few days instead of few weeks ( a bit of a first world problem also), then i guess this would be an issue.

Something like the experience of having your mobile phone batt capacity dropping by 50-80% and needing to charge 2X to 4X more frequently. Some people are ok, some are not?


Changing the pack is a bit difficult, that's why i posted the above pic of the internals. Lack of space, not going to be easy. Even sourcing a pack from Taobao is not going to be cheap, due to Sensitive Air pricing (SGD 11 for first kilogram, crazy! )

Just hope that in future we'd still have folks selling in the SGD 20+ range, i guess. Even if it's SGD 30 shipped, it's still ok.


The motor seems to be 130 size, is a basic brushed motor. I guess one preventive action is to keep it within 1 x 300ml per flossing cycle. Don't overheat it, hopefully that'd help to baby it and let it work close to 2 years in terms of motor longevity. Coz i read that there is a label on the unit saying that excessive heat would cause the unit to stop working, let it rest for a period before attempting to start again. So there seems to be a thermal thermistor near the motor or something that'd cut power if it gets too hot.
In my case it'd be used in conjunction with my Panasonic workhorse.


I also have experience and use Eneloops (white) and also Eneloop XX (Pro or what).....in addition to Amazonbasics LSD (Low self discharge). The Amazon basics also degrade faster than the Eneloops.


I used to pop LiFePO4 3.2V cells into the Panasonic, together with 1 x dummy cell. heh..... good pressure/speed performance, but limited capacity. Every 7 days or so need to change battery. I found the replacement of batteries + needing to screw out the cap and put it back in a bit of a chore.

At least just plugging it into the plug of a wall power adapter is pretty fast/fuss free.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Anyway, the Panasonic has lasted quite a while for me, since 2012, but presently it's also not totally issue free. The electrical contact has started to strip/corrode a bit, not really corrode but started to tarnish a bit or what. This induces higher electrical resistance, every month or so i'd need to use my contact cleaner and clean the contacts, else the performance drops.

But not a big issue ba.....

 

[halocast]

Never mind decided not to get.

 

[stam]

KNN, found that my Waterpik AA flosser knoked out. Was still working fine around 11/11 period.

Just under 2 years. I believe it's the electrical switch that's faulty, physical issue. Tried to open the thing out so that i can spray some contact cleaner or something, it's not inaccessible. Cannot open one.

Tried various AA cells, and even a variable output PSU outputting 3-4.5V that i tried, no go.


Just get the Panasonic water flosser, real work horse. 6 years already.



Anyway, i need the periodontal pik pocket tip for my impacted wisdom tooth. Placed an order for the H2oflosser HF-3. Only issue that i have read is that it's on the loud side.
Also, i think i might wanna introduce water flossing to my kids, so maybe this shd be easier to use as the AA portable versions are really too big for them to grasp.

SGD22 only, after 15% discount voucher applied (- SGD 3.88).
https://shopee.sg/-OralCare-h2oflos...-Teeth-Cleaning-Machine-i.15334894.1416452267

Countertop ver from the same seller
https://shopee.sg/-OralCare-h2oflos...-Teeth-Cleaning-Machine-i.15334894.1416451757

Local reviews of the HF-3. Seems pretty decent.
https://www.lazada.sg/products/i101...o42.cart.0.0.14c57a93e53M4K&urlFlag=true&mp=1

Is this type stronger than those handheld like Philips airfloss. Is the water tank water proof? Or need to stay dry for battery area

Need to keep plugging into power socket?

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[WussRedXLi]

Is this type stronger than those handheld like Philips airfloss. Is the water tank water proof? Or need to stay dry for battery area

Need to keep plugging into power socket?

Posted with My iPhone X HardwareZone Forums app

I believe it's a bit stronger in PSI (pressure) than my Panasonic and waterpik handhelds. The specs say it's like 70 PSI for Waterpik and 90 PSI for Panasonic. This one is 110 PSI.

But in reality, this one seems bloody strong, coz there is another factor called flowrate. If you put your hands in front of any water stream, the total force is due to these 2 factors, pressure and flowrate.

The flowrate of the h2oflosser is quite high as well, i measured it to be 300ml in 50 seconds. Flowrate seems to be double that of the handhelds, with water tanks that are half in volume.

There are 4 x AA 1.2V NiMH (1500mAh rated) in the h2oflosser. Even though they are not high capacity cells, 4 cells equals pretty decent Wh. So it shd last a while, easily > 1 week with a single charge and 2x daily usage I suppose? Haven't really used it for long to make any experienced informed comments, but it shd be sufficient.

 

[tian800]

Hi just bought the h2o that you recommended as I wanted to start water flossing. Can you please share some tips on using it? At what PSI do you normally during flossing? How much volume of water so you use per floss? How long do you usually floss for each session? Anything that I should be taking note of when flossing? Thank you in advance!!

I believe it's a bit stronger in PSI (pressure) than my Panasonic and waterpik handhelds. The specs say it's like 70 PSI for Waterpik and 90 PSI for Panasonic. This one is 110 PSI.

But in reality, this one seems bloody strong, coz there is another factor called flowrate. If you put your hands in front of any water stream, the total force is due to these 2 factors, pressure and flowrate.

The flowrate of the h2oflosser is quite high as well, i measured it to be 300ml in 50 seconds. Flowrate seems to be double that of the handhelds, with water tanks that are half in volume.

There are 4 x AA 1.2V NiMH (1500mAh rated) in the h2oflosser. Even though they are not high capacity cells, 4 cells equals pretty decent Wh. So it shd last a while, easily > 1 week with a single charge and 2x daily usage I suppose? Haven't really used it for long to make any experienced informed comments, but it shd be sufficient.

 

[patryn33]

I believe it's a bit stronger in PSI (pressure) than my Panasonic and waterpik handhelds. The specs say it's like 70 PSI for Waterpik and 90 PSI for Panasonic. This one is 110 PSI.

But in reality, this one seems bloody strong, coz there is another factor called flowrate. If you put your hands in front of any water stream, the total force is due to these 2 factors, pressure and flowrate.

The flowrate of the h2oflosser is quite high as well, i measured it to be 300ml in 50 seconds. Flowrate seems to be double that of the handhelds, with water tanks that are half in volume.

There are 4 x AA 1.2V NiMH (1500mAh rated) in the h2oflosser. Even though they are not high capacity cells, 4 cells equals pretty decent Wh. So it shd last a while, easily > 1 week with a single charge and 2x daily usage I suppose? Haven't really used it for long to make any experienced informed comments, but it shd be sufficient.

Waterpik at 70psi do you max out? I use the countertop version Max at 100psi but I never go so high
https://www.waterpik.com/oral-health/blog/countertop-cordless-best-waterpik/

 

[WussRedXLi]

Waterpik at 70psi do you max out? I use the countertop version Max at 100psi but I never go so high
https://www.waterpik.com/oral-health/blog/countertop-cordless-best-waterpik/

Waterpik operates at 70 PSI for Speed II, the max speed. So nothing much to select for there. Cordless models don't have the ability to fine tune the water pressure, but usually for the majority of users that is sufficient.

On NCBI, you can find many articles quoting that 90 PSI and 1200 cycles per minute is the optimum. So i think really no need to blast until such a high pressure that it causes discomfort to the gums and sides of the mouth (should the jet accidentally hit the sides sometimes, which is inevitable)

 

[WussRedXLi]

Hi just bought the h2o that you recommended as I wanted to start water flossing. Can you please share some tips on using it? At what PSI do you normally during flossing? How much volume of water so you use per floss? How long do you usually floss for each session? Anything that I should be taking note of when flossing? Thank you in advance!!

I guess with new users, always start with the lowest pressure. But the h2oflosser's lowest pressure is still pretty high, so there is always a learning curve.

I can guarantee that your gums are going to bleed for at least, so hang on and persevere coz it's going to get bloody. It's normal as you get the junk out and your gums would bleed less and less over time as your gum hygiene and condition improves.

So, do not give up halfway due to the excessive amount of blood spilled out initially.


If you have been flossing with string, then the gums hygiene improvement is going to take less time. It's not only the interdental areas, but also the subgingival areas, ie the areas that are beneath the gum line that string floss would not touch.


I think the amount of water and time taken really depends on the user. But for me, since i floss pretty frequently (at least 3 times a day, sometimes 4 or 5 times if i do snacking and want to get some stuck bits out), usually my regime is just within 1 minute. Sometimes even with after taking a snack bite, i'd just go for a quick 40-50 seconds blast 1 tank with the Panasonic. Maybe 10% of the time i'd go longer and more thorough and would be using 2-3 tanks, ie > 1 minute...say after having a meaty meal that requires me to floss longer to get all the bits out, you know that feeling where you feel a lot of stuff is stuck in your teeth?

I water floss without fail every single day, even when overseas.

No issue with water pressure, since my gums are in tip top condition, no blood even with max pressures. As a new user like you, you'd need sometime to hit that level though.
Like i said, i am ngeow enough to do my own periodontal pocket depth probing (get your own probes from ebay or something) every year or so, so that's prob why no issue with the water pressure.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Needed to recharge my h2oflosser, after first charge on 26th Dec.

I think shd have used about 15-20 tanks of water for that first charge. Will do a proper capacity test on the second charge.

 

[lemonchan]

Where and how much do you bought the h2o

Hi just bought the h2o that you recommended as I wanted to start water flossing. Can you please share some tips on using it? At what PSI do you normally during flossing? How much volume of water so you use per floss? How long do you usually floss for each session? Anything that I should be taking note of when flossing? Thank you in advance!!