General S-REITs Discussion Thread

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All the REIT ETFs charge about 0.5% management or 0.6% TER.

Why can't they drop further? Too many small ETFs, and no economies of scale. If they can drop to what ES3/G3B charge (0.2% management, 0.3% TER), then it will be more attractive.
Why your ES3/G3B got fee 1? :look:
 

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those who wanna easily use Tiger to buy , also can:
but is this CSOP iEdge S-REIT Leaders Index ETF: really The smarter way in building your real estate portfolio?
https://www.tigerbrokers.com.sg/IOP-CSOP-iEdge-S-REIT-Leaders-Index-ETF
some of the items in iedge isn't wat some of us wanted
https://www.sgx.com/indices/products/sreitlsp#Product Information


which is why he sold his Syfe reits which is tracking the iedge too
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/syfe-select-custom-new.6592103/page-3#post-137635501
read the commmetns on the youtube too
 

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those who wanna easily use Tiger to buy , also can:
but is this CSOP iEdge S-REIT Leaders Index ETF: really The smarter way in building your real estate portfolio?
https://www.tigerbrokers.com.sg/IOP-CSOP-iEdge-S-REIT-Leaders-Index-ETF
some of the items in iedge isn't wat some of us wanted
https://www.sgx.com/indices/products/sreitlsp#Product Information


which is why he sold his Syfe reits which is tracking the iedge too
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/syfe-select-custom-new.6592103/page-3#post-137635501
read the commmetns on the youtube too


Lol, this video is a bit stupid. If you are going to customize and choose your own ETFs using the Syfe Select custom portfolio, why would you use Syfe and pay them a management fee? Might as well use IBKR to do it.

Also regarding the REITs you dont want. The whole idea of index investing is that of efficient market hypothesis. It means market prices everything correctly. He is saying he doesnt want a few hospitality REITs due to covid. But what if they are already cheap and they will probably bounce back as soon as the restrictions are removed? If he doesnt believe in index investing, then why is he going after global ETFs?
 

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cos Dca is free & rebalancg too!! He mentioned in his youtube comments too
+ ikbr or most brokers & DIY cant let u use your own CPF to make certain purchases too (u dont hve CPF hence....)
nt all could afford to do it on your own... pls empathise tht some of us r riding w Debts
& r low income earner

I setup a small kids' Fund, all the ETFs in the handpicked Syfe customed pf r just fractionals - nothg wrong w doin it fr a humble beginning right? Some of the Price of just 1 unit of ETfs r alrdy so Costly....

With Robo u dont hve to keep converting currencies , all done 4 u by paying 1 robo Fee
&
not just those SYfe points u mentionedn! so u hve SYfe Reits??? or CSOP iedge?




MiT seemed good :

 
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Besides csop s-reit etf listing on 18 Nov, UOB APAC Green REIT ETF is also listing on 23 Nov, it has around 9 s-reit, the rest of the 41 reit are from japan and australia.
 

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ART, CDLHT are DBS’ top picks for hospitality S-REITs as 'green shoots' emerge for hotels​


https://www.theedgesingapore.com/ca...ospitality-s-reits-green-shoots-emerge-hotels
DBS Group Research analysts Geraldine Wong and Derek Tan see things looking up for hospitality Singapore REITs (S-REITs) as signs of recovery emerge.

“Hospitality S-REITs reported strong performance in 3Q2021 and promise heading into 2022,” they highlight in a Nov 1 research note.

The analysts note that revenue per average room (RevPAR) for hospitality S-REITs jumped between 50% to 300% q-o-q in countries such as Europe, US and Japan, driven by pent-up demand as vaccination rates rise.

“These markets proved to be well placed to see first green shoots, a déjà vu in our view of how China’s quick rebound in domestic tourism last year when the pandemic was largely contained,” they say.

With international travel borders re-opening gradually, the analysts believe that hospitality Singapore REITs will see “much rosier times” in the coming quarters. Their picks are Ascott Residence Trust (ART) and CDL Hospitality Trusts (CDLHT) for their more global hospitality footprint.

The way Wong and Tan see it, corporate demand is returning as travel borders re-open, with most S-REITs seeing more enquiries from project groups. This could potentially fuel a recovery for ART, Far East Hospitality Trust and Frasers Hospitality Trust’s serviced residence properties.

“With international travel still at a nascent growth stage, we see S-REITs exposed to large domestic markets to still outperform in the near term but acknowledge that leisure travel to destinations such as Australia, Maldives, Singapore may surprise on the upside,” they explain.

The analysts anticipate hoteliers to start re-pricing their room rates higher as demand rises and given the income structures of the various REITs, any RevPAR growth should be a straight flowthrough to distributions.

In addition, the analysts point out that valuations remain attractive for hospitality S-REITs which are currently trading at around 0.8 times net asset value (NAV), compared to the historical mean of one time NAV. They expect valuations to normalize as operations ride the uptrend, with potential upside as bok valuations may be written higher, driving P/NAV even lower.

Wong and Tan project earnings to grow over FY2022 to FY2023 at a compound annual growth rate of 30%, bringing yields towards 6% to 7% in the coming years and offsetting the low yield of 3.9% estimated for FY2021.

Units in ART and CDLHT closed at $1.06 and $1.20 respectively on Nov 5.
 

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I see most of the interest here is on SG or Asia REITs, any reason why not consider global REITs something like this fund below?

https://www.pgim.com/investments/getpidoc?file=F9ECE28AC3F52D1B85257D71005BFC8C
hey just wanna tell u this really looks gd! u vested in it too???
it seemed to be better than the 1 i been lookg @~ janus henderson (w Endowus) Global properties (they hve 1 for Apac too w high div payg too)

but i m not sure of the difce between its "A: SREAX C: SRECX Z: SREZX R6: SREQX" ?
https://www.pgim.com/investments/mutual-funds/pgim-select-real-estate-fundLARGEST HOLDINGS (VS BENCHMARK)
Holdings`
Fund (% of Assets)
Overweight Underweight
Welltower
6.3 %

Prologis
6.3 %

Equity Residential
4.9 %

Life Storage
4.4 %

Rexford Industrial Realty
3.9 %

Simon Property Group
3.9 %

Camden Property Trust
3.7 %

American Homes 4 Rent
3.5 %

Essex Property Trust
3.5 %

SEGRO
3.4 %

Country
Fund (% of Assets)
Overweight Underweight
United States
59.2 %

Japan
12.4 %

United Kingdom
6.1 %

Australia
4.6 %

Hong Kong
3.8 %


Belgium
3.1 %

Canada
2.9 %

Sweden
2.0 %

Finland
1.5 %

Germany
1.4 %

Spain
1.3 %

Netherlands
1.3 %


for me why we r discussg abt this~
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/uob-apac-green-reit-etf-sgx-grn-gre.6632094/is cos i wanna a Green/ESG related 1
List of Constituents
1. Scentre Group26. Kenedix Office Investment Corporation
2. Dexus27. National Storage
3. Mirvac Group28. Advance Residence Investment Corporation
4. Link Real Estate Investment Trust29. United Urban Investment Corporation
5. Nippon Building Fund, Inc.30. Keppel REIT
6. Stockland31. Japan Excellent Inc
7. GPT Group32. Mapletree North Asia Commercial Trust
8. Japan Real Estate Investment Corp.33. Sekisui House Reit. Inc.
9. CapitaLand Integrated Commercial Trust34. BWP Trust
10. Mapletree Logistics Trust35. Suntec Real Estate Investment Trust
11. Japan Metropolitan Fund Investment Corporation36. Fortune Real Estate Investment Trust
12. Mapletree Industrial Trust37. Ascendas India Trust
13. Nomura Real Estate Master Fund, Inc.38. Charter Hall Long WALE REIT
14. Daiwa House REIT Investment Corporation39. Global One Real Estate Investment Corp
15. LaSalle LOGIPORT REIT40. Shopping Centres Australasia Property Group RE Ltd.
16. ORIX JREIT Inc.41. Cromwell Property Group
17. Mapletree Commercial Trust42. Kenedix Retail REIT Corp
18. Frasers Logistics & Commercial Trust43. Daiwa Securities Living Investment Corporation
19. Activia Properties, Inc.44. TOKYU REIT, Inc.
20. Frontier Real Estate Investment Corporation45. Mori Trust Sogo Reit, Inc.
21. AEON REIT Investment Corp.46. Kenedix Residential Next Investment Corporation
22. Mori Hills Reit Investment Corporation47. Daiwa Office Investment Corp
23. Japan Prime Realty Investment Corporation48. NIPPON REIT Investment Corp
24. Hulic Reit, Inc.49. Fukuoka REIT Corp
25. Charter Hall Retail REIT50. Ichigo Office REIT Investment Corporation

this

UOB Asia Pacific Green REIT ETF​

has quite high on Retail :(
not 4gettg diversified Reits incld retail too

sector-allocation.jpg

WHEREas Pgim has lesser on :

Retail Property
11.2 %
Diversified*
17.7 %
which is gd but abit on the high side 4 residential

Residential
23.7 %
 

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Hi @dappermen not vested yet, but I was looking at reits for diversification beyond stocks bonds and gold. I still don't know much about reits. So I need to research more.
 

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What is with the recent introduction so many local based ETF ah?
I mean the size of the ETF will relatively on the small size... liquidity gonna be crappy as well. Seems like everyone wants a piece of the 'robo pie'.
 
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