Google Nexus 10

[kennyboy]

No longer true...

http://mashable.com/2012/11/01/google-apps-tie-apple/

I think you have trouble with comprehending the point that gigigigi was trying to get across. It's not about the numbers.

There's no denying there's a dearth of tablet specific apps on Android in comparison to iOS.

 

[gigigigi]

I think you have trouble with comprehending the point that gigigigi was trying to get across. It's not about the numbers.

There's no denying there's a dearth of tablet specific apps on Android in comparison to iOS.

Haha. No, actually i was saying that the review from the verge was not very good. The review can be summarizeed into only highlighting that iOS have much better apps selection than android. Which is an ecosystem issue that effect every android vs iOS tablet.
The review itself did not cover much about the tablet itself. Most i can get was the screen is on par which ipad. Which in itself is a little bit unfair.

 

[kennyboy]

Haha. No, actually i was saying that the review from the verge was not very good. The review can be summarizeed into only highlighting that iOS have much better apps selection than android. Which is an ecosystem issue that effect every android vs iOS tablet.
The review itself did not cover much about the tablet itself. Most i can get was the screen is on par which ipad. Which in itself is a little bit unfair.

Ah....so you are a supporter.

I use Android exclusively, but I agree with the Verge's review - hardware makes not much of a differentiating point if the apps still ain't there. Some apps make me wish my fingertips were the size of pencil points, like what Steve Jobs said.

Afterall, we buy tablets to use the apps that you can get on it, not just stare fondly at the hardware.

 

[ahkaiz]

Haha. No, actually i was saying that the review from the verge was not very good. The review can be summarizeed into only highlighting that iOS have much better apps selection than android. Which is an ecosystem issue that effect every android vs iOS tablet.
The review itself did not cover much about the tablet itself. Most i can get was the screen is on par which ipad. Which in itself is a little bit unfair.

Verge did a good review to be honest. What differentiate tablet and phone is not just the screen and hardware, app plays a big part also.

 

[c.kokwei]

Asus got international warranty so nexus 7 is great. But nexus 10 is by Samsung Si you won't Get the same thing? So sad

 

[c.kokwei]

I'm more incline to go with windows rt for work.
10" screen.. is nice to have but on android, it doesn't have any value unless you want a bigger screen

Yeah for work wise there is not enough utility app to use for big screen android

 

[surefire888]

No longer true...

http://mashable.com/2012/11/01/google-apps-tie-apple/

Android may have as many apps as IOS but most of them are made for handphones and their limited resolution.

Can't blame the android developers because there are many, many more Android handphone users than there are Android tablet users and developers will go where the market demand lies.

To me, a larger Android tablet screen size is only useful for web surfing, watching videos and reading magazines. For apps and reading books, an 8" is more than sufficient.

 

[gigigigi]

Verge did a good review to be honest. What differentiate tablet and phone is not just the screen and hardware, app plays a big part also.

yes, but like I said, its true to every android vs every ipad comparison. Not specific to Nexus 10 which should be the main star of the review.

 

[kennyboy]

yes, but like I said, its true to every android vs every ipad comparison. Not specific to Nexus 10 which should be the main star of the review.

Ah....but that also means since it's applicable to EVERY Android tablet, there's really nothing wrong if they mention it in the review.

On the flipside, it's not like they give extra kudos to every iPad review by saying the ecosystem is better over Android thus gaining more brownies.

Admit it, it's your own bias causing such feelings.

 

[masotime]

Eh.... Think of it as google finally making the effort to make a decent tablet. Apart from possibly the note series from Samsung, most of the android tablets have been overpriced and not particularly nice to use.

To me, the nexus 7 / 10 is google's real equivalent of apple's iPad 1 (which also didn't have many tablet optimized apps at first, but did brilliantly anyway), with the bonus of a magnificent screen. If all goes well, more tablet apps will be released and the hardware will improve.

Make the best use of it by getting Nexus tailored stuff off the play store. I, for one, am looking forward to high dpi magazines that will be available on aforementioned store on the nexus 10.

 

[gigigigi]

Ah....but that also means since it's applicable to EVERY Android tablet, there's really nothing wrong if they mention it in the review.

On the flipside, it's not like they give extra kudos to every iPad review by saying the ecosystem is better over Android thus gaining more brownies.

Admit it, it's your own bias causing such feelings.

hahaha. not really. take a look at review from engadget, a site that usually act almost like they are owned by apple's marketing department, they did a much better job of highlighting nexus 10 strength and weaknesses:
Nexus 10 review -- Engadget

 

[kennyboy]

hahaha. not really. take a look at review from engadget, a site that usually act almost like they are owned by apple's marketing department, they did a much better job of highlighting nexus 10 strength and weaknesses:
Nexus 10 review -- Engadget

You see? Just because it gave a better review suddenly the site is less biased.

You biased lah.

 

[kennyboy]

Eh.... Think of it as google finally making the effort to make a decent tablet. Apart from possibly the note series from Samsung, most of the android tablets have been overpriced and not particularly nice to use.

To me, the nexus 7 / 10 is google's real equivalent of apple's iPad 1 (which also didn't have many tablet optimized apps at first, but did brilliantly anyway), with the bonus of a magnificent screen. If all goes well, more tablet apps will be released and the hardware will improve.

Make the best use of it by getting Nexus tailored stuff off the play store. I, for one, am looking forward to high dpi magazines that will be available on aforementioned store on the nexus 10.

It's actually more of a nightmare. The Nexus 10 resolution basically made every other Android tablet released obsolete. Should devs optimized for this extremely rare (as of now) resolution and forgo every other Android tablet out there? Or go the other way and have things look like crap on this high res display?

 

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i'm dissapointed that a chip based on A15 will lose to a A6 by apple.

samsung.... tsk tsk tsk.

 

[masotime]

It's actually more of a nightmare. The Nexus 10 resolution basically made every other Android tablet released obsolete. Should devs optimized for this extremely rare (as of now) resolution and forgo every other Android tablet out there? Or go the other way and have things look like crap on this high res display?

Resolution (or perhaps I should say pixel-density) independent development is the way to go I think. Apple's approach of maintaining a strict aspect ratio and always doubling the pixel density across all devices makes it simple to design for both high and low-PPI devices.

You can pretty much see Google taking the same approach as Apple here:

MacBook versus Retina Macbook:
13" 1280 x 800 => 2560 x 1600
15" 1440 x 900 => 2880 x 1800

iPad versus Retina iPad:
1024 x 768 => 2048 x 1536

iPhone versus Retina iPhone (< 5):
320 x 480 => 640 x 960

Pretty much the only time Apple deviated was switching to the 16:9 aspect ratio on the iPhone 5. (1136 : 640 is effectively a 16 : 9 aspect ratio). Otherwise you'll notice that all they are doing is a simple doubling of all dimensions (effectively quadrupling the number of pixels).

The Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 are identical in terms of PPI doubling when you look at the 13" non-Retina Macbook Pro versus the 13" Retina Macbook Pro.

Ultimately, the effective screen area is the non-retina resolution. This is why the "best for Retina" mode on the Retina Macbooks is 1280x800 / 1440 x 900 - because this is the actual "screen area" available, but making everything twice as sharp. Android tablet developers should simply cater for a 1280 x 800 "effective screen area", but create graphical assets for normal and double PPI, similar to how Apple does it. This makes it easy for iOS retina developers to migrate to the Android platform.

 

[masotime]

i'm dissapointed that a chip based on A15 will lose to a A6 by apple.
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The performance comes more from the GPU (SGX543MP4, Adreno 225, etc) rather than the CPU (A5X, S4, etc.), the exception being the Tegra 3 of course.

 

[kennyboy]

Resolution (or perhaps I should say pixel-density) independent development is the way to go I think. Apple's approach of maintaining a strict aspect ratio and always doubling the pixel density across all devices makes it simple to design for both high and low-PPI devices.

You can pretty much see Google taking the same approach as Apple here:

MacBook versus Retina Macbook:
13" 1280 x 800 => 2560 x 1600
15" 1440 x 900 => 2880 x 1800

iPad versus Retina iPad:
1024 x 768 => 2048 x 1536

iPhone versus Retina iPhone (< 5):
320 x 480 => 640 x 960

Pretty much the only time Apple deviated was switching to the 16:9 aspect ratio on the iPhone 5. (1136 : 640 is effectively a 16 : 9 aspect ratio). Otherwise you'll notice that all they are doing is a simple doubling of all dimensions (effectively quadrupling the number of pixels).

The Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 are identical in terms of PPI doubling when you look at the 13" non-Retina Macbook Pro versus the 13" Retina Macbook Pro.

Ultimately, the effective screen area is the non-retina resolution. This is why the "best for Retina" mode on the Retina Macbooks is 1280x800 / 1440 x 900 - because this is the actual "screen area" available, but making everything twice as sharp. Android tablet developers should simply cater for a 1280 x 800 "effective screen area", but create graphical assets for normal and double PPI, similar to how Apple does it. This makes it easy for iOS retina developers to migrate to the Android platform.

Lots of "if, should, maybe".....but as of now, no difference. Tablet apps on Android is still utterly lacking.

I can just imagine some games, like those from Gameloft doubling in size just for supporting the Nexus 10.

 

[micheloving]

High resolution of this android tablet now looks like a handicap in benchmarks lols.Why would you need such resolution in the 1st place if there are no apps to support it?

 

[stillgottheblues]

How many app can a person use? Need so many for what?

 

[masotime]

Lots of "if, should, maybe".....but as of now, no difference. Tablet apps on Android is still utterly lacking.

I can just imagine some games, like those from Gameloft doubling in size just for supporting the Nexus 10.

This is why I am comparing the Nexus line of tablets against the iPad 1. They both did not have many tablet optimized apps when they began. At this point in time, it is a disadvantage for Google, but I think that the increasing popularity of the android platform can work in Google's favor and encourage more developers to create tablet apps in a market which is relatively empty at the moment.

It also helps that the pricing is extremely affordable for a tablet of this spec. Unfortunately, one of Google's main issues now is improving its distribution channels so that we can Nexus products without paying the ridiculous markup that local distributors here add to it.