(GPGT)Espresso machine hoot

[derazor]

I've been trying out my own blends now rather than roasting SO. Not too bad I would say. But then again I may be tooting my own horn and I seriously think I need a second/third opinion. Could you pm me your address so I can send some over? In fact, any one of you guys who own an espresso machine at home are also welcomed.

As for Hasbean's greens, I've checked, and I don't know if its worth the shipping fees. For example, $58sgd in total for 1kg of Blake greens. Maybe when I get a proper roaster I'll look into purchasing more expensive greens.

Bro Bo Jio????????

 

[patryn33]

Shipping probably about 50Euro then add GST

was on www.espressocoffeeshop.com, 22kg BEZZERA BZ 09 cost EUR$120
EUR$602 for machine plus GST.

RANCILIO SILVIA shipping also EUR$90, u got coupon to get EUR$50

finecoffeecompany how much?

 

[prozaizxc]

Haha yeah I was looking at espressocoffeeshop.com
Patryn is right about the shipping cost
Bz09 at finecoffeecompany is 1.3k

However I'm looking at buying a (don't laugh at me) gaggia Classic as I'm still not sure about coffee as a hobby. My tastebuds aren't that good either so I don't think I need such a good machine just yet.
However I'm looking at getting a Macap m4 grinder on that website as well. Then when I upgrrade my espresso machine I guess I'll not need to upgrade the grinder for a while.
The gaggia Classic is 250 euros so even if it spoils it isn't that big of a risk.
Anybody has any opinions on the macap m4 and what's the difference between it and the m5? Couldn't find anything on the net talking about it.
Also what's the difference between m4 and m4d? The m4 only costs 288 euros but the m4d costs 512euros. Why such a big difference?
Seems like the m4 is comparable to the mazzer mini from what I've read

 

[prozaizxc]

was on www.espressocoffeeshop.com, 22kg BEZZERA BZ 09 cost EUR$120
EUR$602 for machine plus GST.

RANCILIO SILVIA shipping also EUR$90, u got coupon to get EUR$50

finecoffeecompany how much?

How to get the 50 euro coupon?

 

[chikyblink]

Bro Bo Jio????????

jio simi? pm/whatsapp me your address lor...

Sent from Samsung SM-N910G using GAGT

 

[chikyblink]

Anybody has any opinions on the macap m4 and what's the difference between it and the m5? Couldn't find anything on the net talking about it.
Also what's the difference between m4 and m4d? The m4 only costs 288 euros but the m4d costs 512euros. Why such a big difference?

there's no difference between m4 and m5 except that m5 just has a bigger hopper. that's all.

m4 comes with a doser, which is one of the better ones in the market. and an on/off switch on the side. no timer. which means that in order to be consistent in dosing, you can
a) overfill the basket and level off
or
b) weight your dose after grinding the approximate amount
or
c) single dosing by weighing the beans b4 grinding

you are not suppose to use the doser like it's designed to.(that is to fill the doser with grounded coffee, thwack it once for a single shot, twice for a double). for home usage, the doser is simply a tool for distribution.

m4d comes with a digital timer(the reason for the difference in price) and a chute. no doser. which means you can set the timer to grind a similar amount every time. which is great. but there's a caveat. clumping. which messes up your distribution. distribution is the most important aspect when preparing your puck. an excellent distribution requires little to no tamping to produce a good shot. while a poor distribution is guaranteed to produce a sink shot, no matter how hard you tamp.

I suggest you should do a lot more research on your own b4 deciding which machine/grinder you're gonna live with.

 

[Lazy_Tiger]

forgot to ask. Where to get a Behmor in sg?

good qn, I ask my friend where he got his. He is also into amateur roasting

 

[prozaizxc]

there's no difference between m4 and m5 except that m5 just has a bigger hopper. that's all.

m4 comes with a doser, which is one of the better ones in the market. and an on/off switch on the side. no timer. which means that in order to be consistent in dosing, you can
a) overfill the basket and level off
or
b) weight your dose after grinding the approximate amount
or
c) single dosing by weighing the beans b4 grinding

you are not suppose to use the doser like it's designed to.(that is to fill the doser with grounded coffee, thwack it once for a single shot, twice for a double). for home usage, the doser is simply a tool for distribution.

m4d comes with a digital timer(the reason for the difference in price) and a chute. no doser. which means you can set the timer to grind a similar amount every time. which is great. but there's a caveat. clumping. which messes up your distribution. distribution is the most important aspect when preparing your puck. an excellent distribution requires little to no tamping to produce a good shot. while a poor distribution is guaranteed to produce a sink shot, no matter how hard you tamp.

I suggest you should do a lot more research on your own b4 deciding which machine/grinder you're gonna live with.

Yup, definitely not rushing into this purchase and researching a lot more.
Considering a silvia as well.
Now I'm deciding between a M4 and a Mahlkonig Vario which do you guys think is better? Read that the Vario isn't that great.
Also is the Macap MC4 a doserless version of the M4? Or is it another model?

 

[derazor]

Yup, definitely not rushing into this purchase and researching a lot more.
Considering a silvia as well.
Now I'm deciding between a M4 and a Mahlkonig Vario which do you guys think is better? Read that the Vario isn't that great.
Also is the Macap MC4 a doserless version of the M4? Or is it another model?

im using at home tee hee hee....so far so good
bought from espressocoffeeshop also

 

[derazor]

Yup, definitely not rushing into this purchase and researching a lot more.
Considering a silvia as well.
Now I'm deciding between a M4 and a Mahlkonig Vario which do you guys think is better? Read that the Vario isn't that great.
Also is the Macap MC4 a doserless version of the M4? Or is it another model?

im using the silvia also, i have the PiD not sure with no PiD temperature dunno kang kor or not. if you're a latte guy, HX FTW . machine you slowly research.

for silvia I think max it can do is 2 cups ( good enough for me and your wife ). you want to make for more ppl you will sian 1/4

 

[Lazy_Tiger]

Yup, definitely not rushing into this purchase and researching a lot more.
Considering a silvia as well.
Now I'm deciding between a M4 and a Mahlkonig Vario which do you guys think is better? Read that the Vario isn't that great.
Also is the Macap MC4 a doserless version of the M4? Or is it another model?

the 1st generation of varios had some problems with retention of the grind settings. some users report they had to recalibrate their grinders but the settings will slip again. Seems newer varios fixed this problem and have better QC. Once in a while you will see a user complain about something but i suppose it happens to every product, and the vario has many users. Otherwise the varios seems to be a good home grinder. Low grind retention. easy to set the settings. small size.

I used a silvia without the pid. Its expensive for what it is but there is a strong user base and alot of online discussion on how to get a good shot from it. May were please with it including me but there will be some hassle (temp surf, careful distribution) if you are very particular and want a good shot.

 

[prozaizxc]

How long did the delivery take? They use TNT to deliver?
aboutespresso.com is very similar to espressocoffeeshop.com and their address is exactly the same place and they sell mostly similar items at similar prices but aboutespresso has cheaper shipping costs but they are selling the silvia V3 but espressocoffeeshop sells the new v4

 

[patryn33]

Haha yeah I was looking at espressocoffeeshop.com
Patryn is right about the shipping cost
Bz09 at finecoffeecompany is 1.3k

However I'm looking at buying a (don't laugh at me) gaggia Classic as I'm still not sure about coffee as a hobby. My tastebuds aren't that good either so I don't think I need such a good machine just yet.
However I'm looking at getting a Macap m4 grinder on that website as well. Then when I upgrrade my espresso machine I guess I'll not need to upgrade the grinder for a while.
The gaggia Classic is 250 euros so even if it spoils it isn't that big of a risk.
Anybody has any opinions on the macap m4 and what's the difference between it and the m5? Couldn't find anything on the net talking about it.
Also what's the difference between m4 and m4d? The m4 only costs 288 euros but the m4d costs 512euros. Why such a big difference?
Seems like the m4 is comparable to the mazzer mini from what I've read

issue is shipping for gaggia Classic is EUR$90, for a EUR$250 baby, costly imho
aren't gaggia Classic made in china.. maybe taobao is cheaper.

MC4 and M4 different machine
get a doseless machine if possible.
I got mine used NS MCF for just usd$250 looking to upgrade to a HG ONE!

sorry I don't like Mahlkonig Vario (usa don't even carry that Vario under Mahikonig) , Mahlkonig only the Vario K30!

www.aboutespresso.com is cheaper in terms of shipping. like EUR$10-20

for me mini is still better than a m4
http://www.home-barista.com/reviews...-vs-mazzer-mini-e-espresso-grinder-t4128.html

 

[prozaizxc]

issue is shipping for gaggia Classic is EUR$90, for a EUR$250 baby, costly imho
aren't gaggia Classic made in china.. maybe taobao is cheaper.

MC4 and M4 different machine
get a doseless machine if possible.
I got mine used NS MCF for just usd$250 looking to upgrade to a HG ONE!

sorry I don't like Mahlkonig Vario (usa don't even carry that Vario under Mahikonig) , Mahlkonig only the Vario K30!

Home Page is cheaper in terms of shipping. like EUR$10-20

for me mini is still better than a m4
Macap M4 Electronic Doserless vs. Mazzer Mini E Espresso Grinder - Home-Barista.com

Yeah that's why I'm leaning more towards the Silvia.
May I know what's the difference between the M4 and MC4? They're priced pretty similarly.
Can't afford a mini... So expensive haha. Shall settle with an M4 but I don't want a doser as its another thing to clean... Haha

 

[derazor]

Yeah that's why I'm leaning more towards the Silvia.
May I know what's the difference between the M4 and MC4? They're priced pretty similarly.
Can't afford a mini... So expensive haha. Shall settle with an M4 but I don't want a doser as its another thing to clean... Haha

https://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=macap m4&product_id=293

https://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/...ct/product&path=78_246_271_275&product_id=354

From the pic is quite clear one is doser and the other is doserless.

 

[chikyblink]

mc4 is the same as the m4d, without the digital timer and the portafilter holder. therefore, you've to hold on to your portafilter while grinding. while you can still use it for espresso, the mc4 wasn't designed for this purpose.

IMO, a doser is a very good espresso making tool in a home setting. macap's dosers actually sweeps quite cleanly at stock.
if you read patryn33's link, you'll know clumping is a problem for doserless grinders, but there's always WDT to save the day.
if you prefer doserless, I highly recommend the vario, which is exactly built for this purpose. although with the vario, I would also recommend you use it as an espresso-only grinder. if you mess with the settings too much, the plastic catch would start to give.

at the entry level machines, between the gaggia and the Silvia, I would take whichever's cheaper and save the money for future upgrades.
they will be challenging to pull good shots from, even more so for beginners. which led to many giving up. that's why many seasoned users urge beginners to save up and get a proper one instead, at least one with some sort of preinfusion.

I'm all for it to get your stuffs from overseas, esp the grinder. grinders are usually built to last a lifetime and the savings makes it worthwhile to take the risk.

to give you an example of how much is the savings:
the Mahlkonig K30 Vario.
from Chris Coffee, including shipping, a little less than $2440sgd, excluding gst.
I was quoted $3.6k sgd from a local distributor, excluding gst.
yes, 110v I know but you get my point. you can still slap in an external transformer for $200 and still have huge savings.

 

[derazor]

How long did the delivery take? They use TNT to deliver?
aboutespresso.com is very similar to espressocoffeeshop.com and their address is exactly the same place and they sell mostly similar items at similar prices but aboutespresso has cheaper shipping costs but they are selling the silvia V3 but espressocoffeeshop sells the new v4

less than week.

 

[prozaizxc]

mc4 is the same as the m4d, without the digital timer and the portafilter holder. therefore, you've to hold on to your portafilter while grinding. while you can still use it for espresso, the mc4 wasn't designed for this purpose.

IMO, a doser is a very good espresso making tool in a home setting. macap's dosers actually sweeps quite cleanly at stock.
if you read patryn33's link, you'll know clumping is a problem for doserless grinders, but there's always WDT to save the day.
if you prefer doserless, I highly recommend the vario, which is exactly built for this purpose. although with the vario, I would also recommend you use it as an espresso-only grinder. if you mess with the settings too much, the plastic catch would start to give.

at the entry level machines, between the gaggia and the Silvia, I would take whichever's cheaper and save the money for future upgrades.
they will be challenging to pull good shots from, even more so for beginners. which led to many giving up. that's why many seasoned users urge beginners to save up and get a proper one instead, at least one with some sort of preinfusion.

I'm all for it to get your stuffs from overseas, esp the grinder. grinders are usually built to last a lifetime and the savings makes it worthwhile to take the risk.

to give you an example of how much is the savings:
the Mahlkonig K30 Vario.
from Chris Coffee, including shipping, a little less than $2440sgd, excluding gst.
I was quoted $3.6k sgd from a local distributor, excluding gst.
yes, 110v I know but you get my point. you can still slap in an external transformer for $200 and still have huge savings.

I see, I think I'm leaning more towards the M4 now then. Thanks for the advice
Do you guys weigh your beans?
Do you know where I can get those little digital weighing machines for beans?

 

[chikyblink]

yes I do. but that's coz I'm using hand grinders. and I only weigh once b4 grinding. that's the beauty of hand grinders, you get what you put in.

for electric grinders with a doser, if you have unobstructed access to the ground chute, you can do single dosing too.
for any other grinders, I recommend keeping a small amount of beans in the hopper, just enough for that day's worth of shots, topping up little by little.

digital scales? again, get it online. one that can measure 0.1g. I'm using this
Amazon.com: American Weigh Scales AMW-SC-2KG Digital Pocket Scale: Digital Kitchen Scales: Kitchen & Dining
it's $25 sgd if you can get the free shipping. otherwise, nylon sells it too... for $50.

 

[patryn33]

to give you an example of how much is the savings:
the Mahlkonig K30 Vario.
from Chris Coffee, including shipping, a little less than $2440sgd, excluding gst.
I was quoted $3.6k sgd from a local distributor, excluding gst.
yes, 110v I know but you get my point. you can still slap in an external transformer for $200 and still have huge savings.

It's like 545 watts for v30, the transformer must handle like 1700 watts to protect the machine. It may cost more like $400-500 worst case the savings still good