(GPGT)Espresso machine hoot

[compuser]

Nespresso and such auto are cannot maintain, not easier to maintain.

Before I discard my old Nespresso machine, I did a visual inspection and realised that it had years of coffee oil accumulated in the brewing chamber and the nozzle where coffee comes out. It was mouldy and the layers of accumulated oil are probably rancid.


The water is heated by passing through a block of aluminium to heat up. Nespresso always ask users to descale and I did, but I believe that this descaling which involves a high concentration of acid, also strips the metal to start leaching. The capsule's shell and the lid are also aluminium. Coffee is acidic and acid leaches aluminium Moreover, it's at a pressurized and hot condition.

My mom drank Nespresso since it debuts 10+ years ago, at her 50s she was already at late stage of Alzheimer's disease. I don't know is the aluminium part of the cause but we avoid aluminium cookware nowadays. She had more or less stabilised and her Alzheimer disease is not as aggressive, but still at a late stage, bedridden. Doctor certified all 5 basic actions can't be done.

I always wonder if I did not buy that nespresso machine for her, would she be better today.

 

[doki81]

Nespresso machines easier to maintain that’s for sure with coffee part. Milk no idea.
Their capsules promo on where? 34cents for 7grams.
Beans is 85 cents for 28 grams, if use super auto

Not finding it here
https://www.nespresso.com/sg/en/order/capsules

3rd party capsule from LOR. you can find it on lazada with great promo..

Nespresso and such auto are cannot maintain, not easier to maintain.

Before I discard my old Nespresso machine, I did a visual inspection and realised that it had years of coffee oil accumulated in the brewing chamber and the nozzle where coffee comes out. It was mouldy and the layers of accumulated oil are probably rancid.


The water is heated by passing through a block of aluminium to heat up. Nespresso always ask users to descale and I did, but I believe that this descaling which involves a high concentration of acid, also strips the metal to start leaching. The capsule's shell and the lid are also aluminium. Coffee is acidic and acid leaches aluminium Moreover, it's at a pressurized and hot condition.

My mom drank Nespresso since it debuts 10+ years ago, at her 50s she was already at late stage of Alzheimer's disease. I don't know is the aluminium part of the cause but we avoid aluminium cookware nowadays. She had more or less stabilised and her Alzheimer disease is not as aggressive, but still at a late stage, bedridden. Doctor certified all 5 basic actions can't be done.

I always wonder if I did not buy that nespresso machine for her, would she be better today.

did you run the descaling maintenance?

 

[purpleberry]

Nespresso and such auto are cannot maintain, not easier to maintain.

Before I discard my old Nespresso machine, I did a visual inspection and realised that it had years of coffee oil accumulated in the brewing chamber and the nozzle where coffee comes out. It was mouldy and the layers of accumulated oil are probably rancid.


The water is heated by passing through a block of aluminium to heat up. Nespresso always ask users to descale and I did, but I believe that this descaling which involves a high concentration of acid, also strips the metal to start leaching. The capsule's shell and the lid are also aluminium. Coffee is acidic and acid leaches aluminium Moreover, it's at a pressurized and hot condition.

My mom drank Nespresso since it debuts 10+ years ago, at her 50s she was already at late stage of Alzheimer's disease. I don't know is the aluminium part of the cause but we avoid aluminium cookware nowadays. She had more or less stabilised and her Alzheimer disease is not as aggressive, but still at a late stage, bedridden. Doctor certified all 5 basic actions can't be done.

I always wonder if I did not buy that nespresso machine for her, would she be better today.

Did the doctor mentioned that the aluminium from nespresso is the probable cause for alzheimer's?

 

[doki81]

Did the doctor mentioned that the aluminium from nespresso is the probable cause for alzheimer's?

wow...now i am a bit lost...

nespresso machine exist since 2009? thought its just last few years...

maybe, can replace the pod with this....

https://www.lazada.sg/products/oem-...o42.searchlist.list.1.5db885991NvxHg&search=1

 

[kenthliu]

My tap water ppm is 79-81. Do I need to filter my water for espresso machine use? If need to any recommendations for water filter or the resin water softener recommended by the machine is adequate.

Thanks.

 

[smusaodide]

any recommendations for someone starting out the espresso game? What espresso machine and grinder do i need?

Currently brewing using V60 and Mokapot with baratza encore. My mokapot is very inconsistent, sometimes it spurts out so fast, sometimes it's just nice flow all the way.

since you use V60, it is quite different compared to brewing with mokapot. Try the following,
1) use dark roasted bean, mokapot is basically a wallet friendly version of espresso machine and dark roasted bean works the best. if you want more crema, go with Arabica bean blended with robusta.
2) Do not use tap water at room temperature. Boil it and let it cool down to ~80 Celsius degree. Then brew. This is to avoid over extraction that gives you the bitter taste.
3) As the bean sits longer in your shelf, you need to adjust the grind size. This is often overlooked.
4) weigh your bean so you have one less variable to deal with

I suggest to master the mokapot before getting yourself an espresso machine. And don’t buy it without trying it out, there are many sellers that carry the machine in store for you to try and do a tasting. You may be surprised how close the coffee from mokapot is to one made from prosumer machine in terms of quality.

 

[patryn33]

wow...now i am a bit lost...

nespresso machine exist since 2009? thought its just last few years...

maybe, can replace the pod with this....

https://www.lazada.sg/products/oem-...o42.searchlist.list.1.5db885991NvxHg&search=1

Used such option b4, very hard to pack enough coffee to get the kinda creama.
It is also messy to fill imho

Here is 2006 started, 13yrs ago
https://www.nestle-nespresso.com/asset-library/documents/nespresso%20-%20history%20factsheet.pdf

 

[patryn33]

Nespresso and such auto are cannot maintain, not easier to maintain.

Before I discard my old Nespresso machine, I did a visual inspection and realised that it had years of coffee oil accumulated in the brewing chamber and the nozzle where coffee comes out. It was mouldy and the layers of accumulated oil are probably rancid.


The water is heated by passing through a block of aluminium to heat up. Nespresso always ask users to descale and I did, but I believe that this descaling which involves a high concentration of acid, also strips the metal to start leaching. The capsule's shell and the lid are also aluminium. Coffee is acidic and acid leaches aluminium Moreover, it's at a pressurized and hot condition.

My mom drank Nespresso since it debuts 10+ years ago, at her 50s she was already at late stage of Alzheimer's disease. I don't know is the aluminium part of the cause but we avoid aluminium cookware nowadays. She had more or less stabilised and her Alzheimer disease is not as aggressive, but still at a late stage, bedridden. Doctor certified all 5 basic actions can't be done.

I always wonder if I did not buy that nespresso machine for her, would she be better today.

Well after after brew one need the clear the capsule.
Flush with water.
Most ppl don’t flush the brew chamber over time you get the coffee oil and stuff

Descale every year if u do these.

 

[hellvolhardzelinsky]

since you use V60, it is quite different compared to brewing with mokapot. Try the following,
1) use dark roasted bean, mokapot is basically a wallet friendly version of espresso machine and dark roasted bean works the best. if you want more crema, go with Arabica bean blended with robusta.
2) Do not use tap water at room temperature. Boil it and let it cool down to ~80 Celsius degree. Then brew. This is to avoid over extraction that gives you the bitter taste.
3) As the bean sits longer in your shelf, you need to adjust the grind size. This is often overlooked.
4) weigh your bean so you have one less variable to deal with

I suggest to master the mokapot before getting yourself an espresso machine. And don’t buy it without trying it out, there are many sellers that carry the machine in store for you to try and do a tasting. You may be surprised how close the coffee from mokapot is to one made from prosumer machine in terms of quality.

Maybe I get the grind size wrong. I'm not sure if I'm baratza encore gives me consistent grind size and how fine do I go?

I always use hot water from my thermo pot, is it okay?

My coffee doesn't flow out smoothly like what I see in YouTube video. I'm using the venus induction type. Does it affect the flow also?

 

[patryn33]

Maybe I get the grind size wrong. I'm not sure if I'm baratza encore gives me consistent grind size and how fine do I go?

I always use hot water from my thermo pot, is it okay?

My coffee doesn't flow out smoothly like what I see in YouTube video. I'm using the venus induction type. Does it affect the flow also?

Moka pot is tricky, if it’s not flowing smoothly maybe you pack the grounds too tight. If you open to inspect grounds if you not seeing wet puck or uneven puck it can be uneven ground distribution. Or you may have over pack

Imho grind shouldn’t be as fine as espresso as it’s brew at 1.5bar.

 

[BlurSotongKia]

Hello all, I’m a newbie trying to get into the world of espresso, and I need some help deciding.

I’m looking for a setup below $800, so it seems like I can consider only importing the machine myself. The two machines I am considering are the Breville/Sage Barista Express (Amazon UK), and the Lelit Anita (Amazon IT).

For repairs, I probably have to check with Breville SG if they are willing to repair a Sage product, but for the Lelit I think Cowpresso has services for it. I’m guessing it’s not so ideal to have a combo machine, but I’m also open to other suggestions if there are any.

Thank you!

 

[wook2000]

Are u looking strictly at espresso only ? or drinking milk based drinks also?

 

[BlurSotongKia]

Are u looking strictly at espresso only ? or drinking milk based drinks also?

Hmm. I would want to experiment with espresso, but based on my past drinking habits, it will be 70% of the time cappuccinos and lattes.

 

[patryn33]

Hello all, I’m a newbie trying to get into the world of espresso, and I need some help deciding.

I’m looking for a setup below $800, so it seems like I can consider only importing the machine myself. The two machines I am considering are the Breville/Sage Barista Express (Amazon UK), and the Lelit Anita (Amazon IT).

For repairs, I probably have to check with Breville SG if they are willing to repair a Sage product, but for the Lelit I think Cowpresso has services for it. I’m guessing it’s not so ideal to have a combo machine, but I’m also open to other suggestions if there are any.

Thank you!

Did u factor in shipping cost? Or $800 excludes shipping?

Breville boiler is Stainless Steel-lined Aluminum, Lelit is brass. higherend machine usually use Brass.
https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/blog/2011/02/04/keeping-you-and-your-machine-healthy/

Breville burr size I don't know, Lelit is 38mm conical burrs. I like larger burr.

do u want to play with tamping grounds etc? if not you can get De'Longhi Magnifica S ECAM22.110.B. It is £287.99 or De'Longhi Magnifica ESAM 4200.S for £249.99 on amazon UK

 

[wook2000]

Hmm. I would want to experiment with espresso, but based on my past drinking habits, it will be 70% of the time cappuccinos and lattes.

I will give you my most unorthodox recommendation, skip all the entry-level home espresso machines you mentioned, they look so easy to use, but in real life nobody puts all their beans in the hopper at home especially while its warming up ontop of any espresso machine. Going single dosing with these type of grinders will drive you nuts.

If i were to redo my whole coffee game on a budget this would be it.

1) Robot Espresso Maker (the normal version will do) $450+
2) 1zpresso JX-PRO manual grinder (200+) From TB
3)WPM MS-130D milk steamer ($300++) from TB

Slightly above your budget but you be banging out shots easily on par with the best cafes in SG using machines costing x 10. The added bonus is 1) & 2) are bullet proof, no scaling issues to worry, mantainance free, last forever, even if you upgrade your gear they have high resale value. No heating and within 10 mins your coffee is ready.

The milk steamer is just for those milk based lovers or guest, but generally what i have seen is if espresso is prepared correctly, you would slowly being to prefer coffee without any thing added.

 

[patryn33]

if go with Robot Espresso there are alternatives such as
Flair Espresso Maker, Classic - Manual Press

Rok

 

[BlurSotongKia]

Did u factor in shipping cost? Or $800 excludes shipping?

Breville boiler is Stainless Steel-lined Aluminum, Lelit is brass. higherend machine usually use Brass.
https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/blog/2011/02/04/keeping-you-and-your-machine-healthy/

Breville burr size I don't know, Lelit is 38mm conical burrs. I like larger burr.

do u want to play with tamping grounds etc? if not you can get De'Longhi Magnifica S ECAM22.110.B. It is £287.99 or De'Longhi Magnifica ESAM 4200.S for £249.99 on amazon UK

Yes. Below 800 is inclusive of shipping & GST. I did actually pay for the Sage 5 days ago, but was refunded as the package was damaged enroute. So I have a chance to take a second look while waiting for prices to fall.

From the videos that I’ve seen, the Lelit looks quite the tank. The benefits over the Sage if I am not mistaken is the 58mm PF, the brass boiler and general build quality. Cons would be the vast difference in timing to make the same cup of Latte due to the longer build up to steam. (stronger steam from boiler but longer time before use)

But would you say that the boiler machines are abit unforgiving in a sense that you can burn the boiler?

 

[BlurSotongKia]

if go with Robot Espresso there are alternatives such as
Flair Espresso Maker, Classic - Manual Press

I will give you my most unorthodox recommendation, skip all the entry-level home espresso machines you mentioned, they look so easy to use, but in real life nobody puts all their beans in the hopper at home especially while its warming up ontop of any espresso machine. Going single dosing with these type of grinders will drive you nuts.

If i were to redo my whole coffee game on a budget this would be it.

Wow these look really interesting. And probably small enough if I want to bring it along to a holiday. But with a total of 3 machines if including milk based drinks, I’m only concerned about counter top space. (Tiny 3 room kitchen). Also, since everything is manual, will dialing in be tough? I guess I don’t mind the manual work, just consider it to be 5BX. I also didn’t consider manual grinders previously, but it looks to be much better value than the combi ones from the 2 machines I mentioned in my earlier posts.

 

[wook2000]

Skip the flair and rok. I have use the flair side by side with the robot, work flow wise the robot wins hands down due to the lack of preheat and lesser parts..

The flair require a pot of boiling water and tongs to preheat the chamber making the process longer. The removal of puck requires some work too.

The rok is filled with plastic parts in the brew chamber, and many of it are prone to cracks leaks and failure after long use.

The robot and grinder are easily moved around due to it's size and weight, it's not contain water and does not require power. My robot machine I usually put it outside in the hall area after using it as a show piece. You can easily move it around with one hand. The only sizable thing would be the steamer which would need a dedicated space.

A good grinder will help tremendously with dialing in. The jx PRO is top dial adjustment with near stepless dial, it's specially made for espresso dialing in. Grab some fresh roasted beans and you are on your way to coffee heaven.

 

[patryn33]

Yes. Below 800 is inclusive of shipping & GST. I did actually pay for the Sage 5 days ago, but was refunded as the package was damaged enroute. So I have a chance to take a second look while waiting for prices to fall.

From the videos that I’ve seen, the Lelit looks quite the tank. The benefits over the Sage if I am not mistaken is the 58mm PF, the brass boiler and general build quality. Cons would be the vast difference in timing to make the same cup of Latte due to the longer build up to steam. (stronger steam from boiler but longer time before use)

But would you say that the boiler machines are abit unforgiving in a sense that you can burn the boiler?

Lelit takes like 1min between brew and stream.
Sage is alot faster like 10secs.
50 secs a big deal for u? when I have boiler its never a issue.

burn boiler not easy imho, as long u have water you will not have issue.

since U making latte and cap, and looking at machine which can grind why u skipping super auto? long steam time?