(GPGT)Espresso machine hoot

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Just got this IMS shower screen and new gasket from chriscoffee. After one and a half years of owning my machine, my gasket has started to harden. As you can see from my old black gasket, a small chip is visible on the left side due to the hardening. Although there's no leaks yet, I thought I'll change it before its too late. And might as well grab the IMS shower screen while I'm at it.


Here it is when they're installed.

Are is the gasket ims branded one too? Is it easier to lock in the portafilter with the ims?

The Cremina uses a reddish gasket too that is made of silicone rather than rubber. Very smooth to lock in. My current vbm one is pretty hard to lock in.

Any difference to using the ims shower screens?
 

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Not drinkable? Then I better dont try. :(:(

How Bout just try it and tell use the results!

One capsule is Bout 7gms. Use 2 capsules with about 200grams of water. Brew with a paper filter if you have. May not taste fantasTic but well better than no coffee!
 

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Are is the gasket ims branded one too? Is it easier to lock in the portafilter with the ims?

The Cremina uses a reddish gasket too that is made of silicone rather than rubber. Very smooth to lock in. My current vbm one is pretty hard to lock in.

Any difference to using the ims shower screens?

https://www.chriscoffee.com/Cafelat-E61-Red-Gasket-p/crsg.htm
The gasket is by Cafelat. Yes it is made of silicone and felt smoother to lock in than the stock one.


https://www.chriscoffee.com/E61-Precision-Group-Shower-Screen-p/1460201.htm
I pulled a few shots earlier and didn't notice any difference. But the surface is very smooth and much easier to clean i guess?
 

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https://www.chriscoffee.com/Cafelat-E61-Red-Gasket-p/crsg.htm
The gasket is by Cafelat. Yes it is made of silicone and felt smoother to lock in than the stock one.


https://www.chriscoffee.com/E61-Precision-Group-Shower-Screen-p/1460201.htm
I pulled a few shots earlier and didn't notice any difference. But the surface is very smooth and much easier to clean i guess?

thanks i'll get one too. my rubber one is hardening.
just be careful about removing it with a sharp object! i understand its easy to tear when using a sharp object to remove. Orphan espresso videos show this happening to the cremina ones.
 

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Quite unusual you get sourness all the time. Some blends i've tried have zero sourness. Some is all about fruits and acidity (aka "sourness").

1st do a check of your thermostat to see if its in the correct range and not malfuctioning. Heat machine for 20 mins. When the boiler light immediately goes off, press brew button. Is there super heated water (steam + bubbly water + hissing) coming out of the shower screen? If yes then the thermostat should be within the range and able to heat your water enough.

2nd - Use a medium/ darker roasted blend. Highlander. Papa's nut and boltz, are ok. for even darker traditional stuff try toby's, oriole, or coffee in a place stuff (red bird, perfero, bodka - all are sublime).

Avoid nylon, strangers reunion. Excellent coffee but usually light roasted and not easy to pull a good shot.

3rd - Don't use a flushing technique to get your water to the correct temperature. The flushing technique is quick and dirty way to get temp to ideal but not easy to use may drop boiler pressure too much. Use a temp surf technique.
1. 20 mins to warm up machine (with portafilter inside)
2. When the boiler light goes off, you may start to prep your filter basket. Exactly 2 mins after boiler light goes off, press the brew button and extract the coffee.
If still too sour decrease the waiting time - eg 1min 30 secs, 1 min
If bitter then increase the waiting time. - eg 2 min 30 secs. etc.

4th - Use dose that is appropriate for the basket. Using stock double basket? Keep it to 14-15g. Better still. use stock baskets and keep dose to 15g. (i usually don't advocate extremely low doses although it might solve sourness problems cos i find too much headspace between the top of the puck and shower screen causes channeling).

5th - Keep extraction time between 25-30 secs. Better still. keep extraction time to exactly 30 secs since you are trouble shooting.

6th - keep your brew ratio to 2. 15g dose = 30g of espresso cos you are troubleshooting. Let grind size control flow rate to get 30g of espresso in 30 secs with 15g of coffee.

lastly - try to ensure you don't have an uneven extraction. use a bottomless portafilter. (uneven extraction causes extreme bitterness rather than sourness actually but good practice for consistency to use bottomlesss portafilter).

In general, sourness can be due to:
a. inherent bean characteristic (natural processed, varietal etc).
b. light roast (vegetal kind of acidity may be due to underdeveloped roast).
c. under extraction (AKA low extraction yield - too high dose, too short brew time, too low brew ratio, low brewing temps)

Contrary to visual judgement a very dark sinister slow flowing shot (eg 45sec extraction with very low brew ratio of 1:1) is usuallyU]under[/U] extracted not over extracted. Flavours may be very intense and bitterness is always picked up first because of the way we perceive different flavours when they are in higher concentration. Sourness is still there actually.

Good luck in your experiments!


Hey, thanks for your detailed reply!
I am doing 2; I'm using nuts and bolts
and 3,
and 4; I weigh my beans to 15g using a scale
and 5 & 6, I'm getting 30g of espresso within about 25-30 seconds

I am however not using a bottomless portafilter as I don't have one and I do not have a thermostat in my silvia so I can't really tell the temp

Having done all these and having just brewed a cup, I noticed my espresso is not very thick and viscous, it kinda just flows out and is watery rather than having like a creamy texture to it and the colour is not that brown.

And its still sour.

I did let the silvia be on for about 40 minutes before I did a half second flush and saw steam come out. The boiler light immediately turned on after this half second flush and I prepared my dose and then after the light offed for about a minute I brewed my cup and yet its still sour and watery.

The beans were roasted about 3 weeks ago thats why i suspect it is watery but when i first bought it and brewed it i noticed it was also not as viscous as i would have liked

However, right now I'm drinking with milk so its still alright but i do want to fix this issue its so weird
 

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Hey chikyblink, can check with you how much roughly in sgd did it cost you to bring in the vst? Doing a comparison of price vs effort, in case I wanna get it :)

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Hey, thanks for your detailed reply!
I am doing 2; I'm using nuts and bolts
and 3,
and 4; I weigh my beans to 15g using a scale
and 5 & 6, I'm getting 30g of espresso within about 25-30 seconds

I am however not using a bottomless portafilter as I don't have one and I do not have a thermostat in my silvia so I can't really tell the temp

Having done all these and having just brewed a cup, I noticed my espresso is not very thick and viscous, it kinda just flows out and is watery rather than having like a creamy texture to it and the colour is not that brown.

And its still sour.

I did let the silvia be on for about 40 minutes before I did a half second flush and saw steam come out. The boiler light immediately turned on after this half second flush and I prepared my dose and then after the light offed for about a minute I brewed my cup and yet its still sour and watery.

The beans were roasted about 3 weeks ago thats why i suspect it is watery but when i first bought it and brewed it i noticed it was also not as viscous as i would have liked

However, right now I'm drinking with milk so its still alright but i do want to fix this issue its so weird

If your grind is correct, You are tamping probably too lightly, possible channeling if flow is not consistent. I'm using espro calibrated tamper, you could look into one if u don't have a good tamper already - they're good.

Also I noticed that I need to grind finer every passing day with nylon beans, they seemed more difficult to get it right. Not sure about PpP beans..

In short, try tamping harder or grinding finer , one at a time.

Enjoy - it's fun to finally achieve good results! ;-)
 

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Actually if the coffee is roasted lightly remain sour, no matter what you do. It's sour.

Some of them are doing Nordic roast aka Hipster roast.
Go google about it.
 
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If your grind is correct, You are tamping probably too lightly, possible channeling if flow is not consistent. I'm using espro calibrated tamper, you could look into one if u don't have a good tamper already - they're good.

Also I noticed that I need to grind finer every passing day with nylon beans, they seemed more difficult to get it right. Not sure about PpP beans..

In short, try tamping harder or grinding finer , one at a time.

Enjoy - it's fun to finally achieve good results! ;-)

For nylon, I just adjust once or twice when I finish a bag within 2 weeks. Grinder related?
 

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Actually if the coffee is roasted lightly remain sour, no matter what you do. It's sour.

Some of them are doing Nordic roast aka Hipster roast.
Go google about it.

Calling light/nordic roast profiles "hipster" seems to have a negative connotation. Sour can be good(fruity) too. For the record, I like them both, although I usually drink light/medium.
 

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Anyone using the Breville Dual Boiler?



Looks like an awesome machine! I think they are retailing at Tangs, Robinson's and Metro at $2088.
 

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Anyone using the Breville Dual Boiler?



Looks like an awesome machine! I think they are retailing at Tangs, Robinson's and Metro at $2088.

Seems to have good reviews from home barista performance-wise but it looks too plasticky for me. Also, from what I have read on HB, it has reliability issues. As with any espresso machine, do more research before taking the plunge ;)
 

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Anyone using the Breville Dual Boiler?



Looks like an awesome machine! I think they are retailing at Tangs, Robinson's and Metro at $2088.
It's an Aussie home appliance brand right?

Can find direct reviews from the Aussies.
http://www.productreview.com.au/p/breville-bes900-dual-boiler.html?rating=2#reviews

Read there's a "flying portafilter" issue. :s22:
Sounds dangerous and must have to do with the plastic grouphead.



A double boiler from VBM, Expobar, Rocket weights about 30KG while the Breville weights 13KG. Doesn't sound right to me. It's not like electronics with nanotechnology.

Neither will i want a plastic on something with so much heat and pressure.
Anything gives way and that's it.
 

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No personal experience with it. But i heard from the highlander guys that they function ok, but wont last more than 2-3 years because parts used are not of good enough quality. Servicing is also not very possible.

Recently, I am attracted to the nuova simonelli musica. lol!
 

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Thanks for the feedback. I guess reliability of the machine is the shortfall of this machine. Other than that... The specs and functions of this machine is pretty awesome.
 

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Thanks for the feedback. I guess reliability of the machine is the shortfall of this machine. Other than that... The specs and functions of this machine is pretty awesome.
Just hear say from other sellers. Also just saw the deal at tangs ending today. Dual boiler 2238 including grinder and additional 50 off for every 350 spent. Quite significant discount! The single boiler will be 1258 with grinder.

To be honest, at such good packaged deal and all in functions, nice design, it's easy to plunge and buy it.

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