GPGT - Singapore's outsized defence spending

[TopGun]

They have been pouring money into ST logistics, ST kinetics, ST engineering etc. but our defense industry still way behind other nations such as Japan and S.Korea... not seeing the returns...

What kind of returns are you looking at?

 

[Microprocessor]

Have u read our history with malaysia? You know there are times where Malaysia leader threaten to turn off the water whenever they have minor disputes with us even though we have a water agreement? Its was so bad that lky have to tell Dr M if they turn off our water , we will come take it ourself.

If we don't have a army that outweigh malaysia, do you think Malaysia leaders will be scare of Lky words?

Its also why our army always train to fight in conditions similar to malaysia landscape and not Indonesia. Our army is an offensive force cause we need to secure our water supply in Malaysia.

"Singapore was so determined to protect its water supply that former prime minister Lee Kuan Yew purportedly said he was prepared to send troops if Malaysia ever decided to cut off the water supply."

https://theaseanpost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/theaseanpost.com/article/water-war-words-0?amp=&amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=17237847227825&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://theaseanpost.com/article/water-war-words-0

I think it’s cheaper and also fairer to just pay abit more for the water then to spend so much more in buying fighter jets and its associated maintenance and operational costs to ensure water supplies while refusing to pay more to supplier and threatening military action …

 

[Taloona]

Army regulars pay r high. Plus all those high tech machinery ain't cheap either.

You forgot the paper generals. After retirement, can parachute into any govt agencies.

 

[Emperor_Hippo]

Means can go 1 on 1 with Putin?

I think 1-on-1 can settle with USA ah, considering how many see peh satki top of the class west point graduates we produce.

 

[dambio]

You forgot the paper generals. After retirement, can parachute into any govt agencies.

Yea hor. How could I hv left them out

 

[LWZ]

NSmen are expensive.

calling just one EDMWer back for 2 weeks ICT costs 10k of make-up pay expense.

 

[Soracak]

so many arguing for the need for self defence when the real question is "how much defence budget is enough"? As long as u keep raising the spectre of war, u can justify any budget u want at the expense of all else.

Also "how many companies u want to see destroyed by ex generals before we put a stop to this nonsense"? Are we that militarily compliant we are willing put useless men in power, or are the miw that scared of a coup?

 

[alph4tang0]

If not how to feed the Crabs and Stars, fuel for the parades.

 

[kreja]

Ya nsmen so overpriced. Should force them all to get ippt gold, pass range and soc to make my money's worth. All should look like how Chris Evans look in Captain America.

 

[Mechafanboy]

What kind of returns are you looking at?

S.Korea produces lightweight fighter jets which they export to other countries. Poland produces Self Propelled Artillery which are sold to Ukraine. German makes their own Anti Air defenses. France is also an industry heavy weight.

Singapore ???

Sink all these money into our defense sector, but what we get in return? Personally, I think most of the money are wasted on JLBs in the local defense industry.

 

[Eliwood]

I think it’s cheaper and also fairer to just pay abit more for the water then to spend so much more in buying fighter jets and its associated maintenance and operational costs to ensure water supplies while refusing to pay more to supplier and threatening military action …

U know if it happens once it will happen again and become a bottomless pit right?

 

[stingray1211]

Actually already got so many underpaid conscripts, the cost should be reduced drastically already what.
How come still so high?

under paid ? most nsf combat got $1k per mth.


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[TopGun]

S.Korea produces lightweight fighter jets which they export to other countries. Poland produces Self Propelled Artillery which are sold to Ukraine. German makes their own Anti Air defenses. France is also an industry heavy weight.

Singapore ???

Sink all these money into our defense sector, but what we get in return? Personally, I think most of the money are wasted on JLBs in the local defense industry.

Unfortunately, we don't have the local demand nor industrial base to design and mass produce many types of weapons.

We ever sold the Bronco to UK and ships to Thailand, and hardware aside, ST does export sizable amount of ammunition.

Those countries you cited... are magnitudes bigger than SG and facing different type and intensity of threat. SK is technically at war while Poland's history speaks for itself.

 

[Elnoxv]

Have u read our history with malaysia? You know there are times where Malaysia leader threaten to turn off the water whenever they have minor disputes with us even though we have a water agreement? Its was so bad that lky have to tell Dr M if they turn off our water , we will come take it ourself.

If we don't have a army that outweigh malaysia, do you think Malaysia leaders will be scare of Lky words?

Its also why our army always train to fight in conditions similar to malaysia landscape and not Indonesia. Our army is an offensive force cause we need to secure our water supply in Malaysia.

"Singapore was so determined to protect its water supply that former prime minister Lee Kuan Yew purportedly said he was prepared to send troops if Malaysia ever decided to cut off the water supply."

https://theaseanpost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/theaseanpost.com/article/water-war-words-0?amp=&amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=17237847227825&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://theaseanpost.com/article/water-war-words-0

I am well aware of the history but the situation today is quite different from the past. Back then, Singapore's dependence on Malaysia for water was a critical vulnerability and LKY's assertive stance was aimed at safeguarding the country's survival.

However, times have changed. Singapore has invested heavily in water self-sufficiency, with technologies like desalination and NEWater, reducing the reliance on external sources. Additionally, the global political environment, the development of international law, and diplomatic relations make military action over such disputes highly unlikely today.

While the historical threats were real and understandable in that context, the idea of launching an attack now over water supply is highly unlikely scenario. is it not?

Diplomacy, international pressure, and legal mechanisms would come into play before anything escalated to that level.

 

[grevq80o]

https://www.ft.com/content/a8ff87ff-a99f-4b7b-9ef8-682b287b4b8b

SAF is SG ministers in training. ofcuz very expensive la. They have to pay so many candidates for minister evaluaton , while in the cabinet they pay only real ministers... You don't pay properly, they no keen.

 

[footi3]

we just paying protection fees la

 

[Mechafanboy]

Unfortunately, we don't have the local demand nor industrial base to design and mass produce many types of weapons.

We ever sold the Bronco to UK and ships to Thailand, and hardware aside, ST does export sizable amount of ammunition.

Those countries you cited... are magnitudes bigger than SG and facing different type and intensity of threat. SK is technically at war while Poland's history speaks for itself.

Singapore just don't have the expertise to compete with other nations. The Bionix and Primus were the height of our achievement and things just stagnated after that.

 

[enigmastar]

I think it’s cheaper and also fairer to just pay abit more for the water then to spend so much more in buying fighter jets and its associated maintenance and operational costs to ensure water supplies while refusing to pay more to supplier and threatening military action …

Its not refusing to pay more. Its paying according to a signed treaty that both party agreed to. What make you think we pay more now, they in future will not force us to pay more again. By letting them use water as a threat , they can always it as a threat to make us do what they want us to do. We will cease to function as an independent nation if we allow Malaysia to use water to threaten us, that is why we need a strong army to deter them.

 

[RSKeisuke]

i just feel that using per capita amount isn't really a fair way.
You have to see the risk factor.. neighbouring countries, geo-location
.. take NZ as an example. they are spending so little mainly due to geographical reason

 

[curahee]

need a breakdown of the sum to see where the spending goes to


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