if reborn as human is so hard, where does the recent souls came from ?

evildoer

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2007
Messages
23,138
Reaction score
3,841
Like some people who purposely buy birds to release as part of some ritual

Hoping that this is a good deed.

But it’s purposely doing something to tell others it’s a “good deed”.

Like celebs donate to charity then tell media quickly report.
Celebs donate money to get away from paying tax... which may help thousand of family... if they think want to do that to avoid tax... then they are not getting that accumulated merit.. cause they actually do more harm ... Less money for the government to help the poor and sick ... and also mend the road...

although releasing a bird for a purpose of good deed is shallow.,.. it still provide positive to the freed bird...you will still accumulate merit...
 

evildoer

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2007
Messages
23,138
Reaction score
3,841
Like some people who purposely buy birds to release as part of some ritual

Hoping that this is a good deed.

But it’s purposely doing something to tell others it’s a “good deed”.

Like celebs donate to charity then tell media quickly report.
anyway the freed bird is a scam... the bird are trained to fly back to the owner for then to cheat the next batch of tourist ..
 

Multiversal

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
May 6, 2020
Messages
20,276
Reaction score
6,160
human pop from 5b to 7b recently.

2 billion new soul from where ? since animals very hard to reborn as humans also. as some aliens say from other planets ?
World population is already 8 billion.

And the extra souls are a result of sexual intercourse lor. Every time a man shoots his stuff inside the woman's abalone, a foetus comes to life, if she conceives. God breathes life into that fetus.

There is no such thing as "rebirth". Animals don't get reborn to become another animal or the same animal, or to become human. Nor do humans get reborn to be an animal or another human.

The only "born again" the Bible speaks about is the new birth which comes with confessing that Christ is Lord and Saviuor, and being born again as a new person in Christ.
 

d3n

Greater Supremacy Member
Joined
Aug 1, 2003
Messages
76,395
Reaction score
6,676
human pop from 5b to 7b recently.

2 billion new soul from where ? since animals very hard to reborn as humans also. as some aliens say from other planets ?
Maybe our ancestors still queuing up to reborn?
 

evildoer

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2007
Messages
23,138
Reaction score
3,841
actually it depends on what religion

christian .. every new life it's a new soul , there is no reincarnation
Buddhist ... Soul are being recycled to new life on earth.. those who do good with their life will get the chance to reincarnate to a better being ... Those who gain enlightenment will break the cycle

anyway i am a free thinker and anyhow say one...
 

Multiversal

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
May 6, 2020
Messages
20,276
Reaction score
6,160
promoted from rocks, trees, animals... got so many in the waiting list... :frown:

yet humans never treasure this rare opportunity as a human... :frown:
The opportunity is not to be promoted from what? a rock?

It is to be saved and spend eternity with our Creator through Christ our Lord. While we are still alive, it is not too late to humble ourselves, and deal with our EGO and pride, and be saved.

The Bible says, there is a way that seems right to a man, but it is the way to Death. - Proverbs 14:12
 

happyfingers

Member
Joined
Dec 31, 2016
Messages
361
Reaction score
321

Liberation Through Hearing During the Intermediate State (Tibetan book of the dead )


《中有成就秘笈》​

嗟!善男子(某某):谛听!何谓六道之光?此谓天道之光,其色灰白,修罗道光,其色黯绿;人道之光,其色浅黄;傍生道光,暗蓝为色;饿鬼道光,色为淡红;惟有地狱,光如烟雾。当诸光起现时,汝之身色,感生何道,亦即现何道之光色。

Dull white - realm of devas
Dark green - realm of asuras
Light yellow - realm humans
Dark blue - realm of animals
Light red - realm of hungry ghost
Smoky mist - realm of hell beings

( correct me if i got the translation wrong , thank u )
 

yobyella

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
Jun 13, 2020
Messages
24,514
Reaction score
11,566
It is to be saved and spend eternity with our Creator . While we are still alive, it is not too late to humble ourselves, and deal with our EGO and pride, and be saved.

Judaism, Christianity, Islam. Holy books are there. They just need to study and compare them. Even scientists embraces religion and believe theres God, heaven and hell. But mankind, due to their arrogance, pride and "intellectual" rather believe any other theory other than the existence of God. They believe mankind produce by themselves fm thin air. :o Was just wondering if really theres heaven and hell, Judgement Day,(which i strongly believe so) who would be the greatest losers? Just saying only ya. :o ;)

I did not create jinn and humans except to worship Me. (Q: 51:56)
 

Śūnyatā

Master Member
Joined
Dec 15, 2018
Messages
3,892
Reaction score
3,962
Judaism, Christianity, Islam. Holy books are there. They just need to study and compare them. Even scientists embraces religion and believe theres God, heaven and hell. But mankind, due to their arrogance, pride and "intellectual" rather believe any other theory other than the existence of God. They believe mankind produce by themselves fm thin air. :o Was just wondering if really theres heaven and hell, Judgement Day,(which i strongly believe so) who would be the greatest losers? Just saying only ya. :o ;)

I did not create jinn and humans except to worship Me. (Q: 51:56)

Human faith is not an on/off switch. :) It takes time to develop the faith, and that is only if the seed exists on which faith can be grown. Since every person's circumstances are different, the journey of faith would differ as well. Thus a conversation about faith that is centred on "You must believe otherwise XXX" would become one-sided very quickly. Evangelisation is about listening as much as it is about expounding/preaching. No one wants to suffer (now and in future) if they can help it, and people resist changes because their situation prevents them from understanding/accepting. Patience and sincerity are key. 🙏
 

AUTUMN&WINTER

High Supremacy Member
Joined
Sep 29, 2011
Messages
27,990
Reaction score
27,874
World population is already 8 billion.

And the extra souls are a result of sexual intercourse lor. Every time a man shoots his stuff inside the woman's abalone, a foetus comes to life, if she conceives. God breathes life into that fetus.

There is no such thing as "rebirth". Animals don't get reborn to become another animal or the same animal, or to become human. Nor do humans get reborn to be an animal or another human.

The only "born again" the Bible speaks about is the new birth which comes with confessing that Christ is Lord and Saviuor, and being born again as a new person in Christ.
Did you watch COME SUNDAY at Netflix? Guys here are interested in religion. Should watch and discuss here. Very interesting movie about GOD. True story.
 

Multiversal

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
May 6, 2020
Messages
20,276
Reaction score
6,160
Did you watch COME SUNDAY at Netflix? Guys here are interested in religion. Should watch and discuss here. Very interesting movie about GOD. True story.
I have studied some comparative religions and know what various denominations teach, and what various sects in other religions say. I also know what the militant atheists say.

As I posted above, and I repost; There is a way that seems right to a man, but it is the way to Death - Proverbs 14:12
 

Multiversal

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
May 6, 2020
Messages
20,276
Reaction score
6,160
Judaism, Christianity, Islam. Holy books are there. They just need to study and compare them. Even scientists embraces religion and believe theres God, heaven and hell. But mankind, due to their arrogance, pride and "intellectual" rather believe any other theory other than the existence of God. They believe mankind produce by themselves fm thin air. :o Was just wondering if really theres heaven and hell, Judgement Day,(which i strongly believe so) who would be the greatest losers? Just saying only ya. :o ;)

I did not create jinn and humans except to worship Me. (Q: 51:56)
There is a way that seems right to a man, but it is the way to Death. - Proverbs 14:12
 

zooteam2006

Banned
Joined
Oct 29, 2006
Messages
6,845
Reaction score
5,072
The universe is one huge consciousness and it is endless. In fact there might even be multiverse comprising of endless universes endlessly. There could be endless planets that resemble ours. So there are endless consciousness to be recycled aka reborn. Its just where we landed thats all.
 

Śūnyatā

Master Member
Joined
Dec 15, 2018
Messages
3,892
Reaction score
3,962
I have studied some comparative religions and know what various denominations teach, and what various sects in other religions say. I also know what the militant atheists say.

As I posted above, and I repost; There is a way that seems right to a man, but it is the way to Death - Proverbs 14:12

My friend, are you happy in life? I ask this not to poke holes in your faith but genuinely wish to find out if you are at peace.
 

GoodBetterBest

Supremacy Member
Joined
Jan 23, 2019
Messages
6,258
Reaction score
2,126
The universe is one huge consciousness and it is endless. In fact there might even be multiverse comprising of endless universes endlessly. There could be endless planets that resemble ours. So there are endless consciousness to be recycled aka reborn. Its just where we landed thats all.

Not that I'm against multiverse or endless universe. But you started off with a probability (might even be...) , and ended up with a conclusion it's true (so there are endless...). Some logic errors ?? ;)
 

happyfingers

Member
Joined
Dec 31, 2016
Messages
361
Reaction score
321
The universe is one huge consciousness and it is endless. In fact there might even be multiverse comprising of endless universes endlessly. There could be endless planets that resemble ours. So there are endless consciousness to be recycled aka reborn. Its just where we landed thats all.
" Huge consciousness " = ( universe + multiverse + you + me + space + planets etc ) . Is that what u mean ?

《楞严经》
当知虚空,生汝心内,犹如片云,点太清里,况诸世界,在虚空耶?
 

Śūnyatā

Master Member
Joined
Dec 15, 2018
Messages
3,892
Reaction score
3,962
Whats your take on this:

Moreover, the doctrine of rebirth held that any human could be reborn as animal, and any animal could be reborn as a human. An animal might be a reborn dead relative, and anybody who looked far enough back through their series of lives might come to believe every animal to be a distant relative.

I'm sorry but I missed this post. If you are referring to the concept of rebirth in Buddhism, then it is quite different from the conventional notion of reincarnation wherein a soul moves from body to body e.g. from human to animal or vice versa. Instead, rebirth in Buddhism arises from karmic energies conditioned by delusions. Buddha specifically refuted the notion of an eternal unchanging soul in his teachings.

You may also ask then "what is reborn?" and the reply to that would be "there is arising of consciousness conditioned by delusions". The "what" is dynamic and changing at all times - before, during and after the birth processes.
 

yobyella

Arch-Supremacy Member
Joined
Jun 13, 2020
Messages
24,514
Reaction score
11,566
I'm sorry but I missed this post. If you are referring to the concept of rebirth in Buddhism, then it is quite different from the conventional notion of reincarnation wherein a soul moves from body to body e.g. from human to animal or vice versa. Instead, rebirth in Buddhism arises from karmic energies conditioned by delusions. Buddha specifically refuted the notion of an eternal unchanging soul in his teachings.

You may also ask then "what is reborn?" and the reply to that would be "there is arising of consciousness conditioned by delusions". The "what" is dynamic and changing at all times - before, during and after the birth processes.

Very chim. But to a layman like me the definition fm google easier to ustand. Human reborn to animal and vice versa. :o
 

Śūnyatā

Master Member
Joined
Dec 15, 2018
Messages
3,892
Reaction score
3,962
Very chim. But to a layman like me the definition fm google easier to ustand. Human reborn to animal and vice versa. :o

Yes, I agree, Buddha's exposition on rebirth is not trivial. There are actually a lot of other supporting concepts to learn first in order to make sense of that. 🙏 but in essence, he taught all these because he saw that human beings suffer in life because of specific causes, and wanted to help them in their journey of being liberated from their suffering. His primary role is a teacher (a very wise and enlightened one).
 
Important Forum Advisory Note
This forum is moderated by volunteer moderators who will react only to members' feedback on posts. Moderators are not employees or representatives of HWZ. Forum members and moderators are responsible for their own posts.

Please refer to our Community Guidelines and Standards, Terms of Service and Member T&Cs for more information.
Top