I'm a teacher and a parent and honestly, i cant deny there is indeed a difference in a normal neighbourhood sch, 'popular' sch and 'branded’ sch

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son from average popular school - classmates were like "huh? U eat sushi meals at least once per week??"

daughter from branded school - "Daddy mummy, why you never ask someone else to drive me to school instead of yourself? Many of my classmates got people drive them one..."
Your son’s classmate ish eat cai png like us? :(

do you see huai ijjit so difficult for local males and females to get along? Assuming your kids’ demonstrate the typical behaviour and mindset of the gender in this country? :(
 

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I'm a teacher and a parent and honestly, i cant deny there is indeed a difference in a normal neighbourhood sch, 'popular' neighbourhood sch and 'branded' schs. I taught in all 3 types of sch with a SAP sch being my current sch. The stark constrast is actually the amount of resources and programmes which really depend alot on budget and manpower. And unfortunately the normal neighbourhood schs dont have this as they dont have affiliations with associations tt actually sponsor certain events/resources and programmes. SAP schs especially have both good support frm their clan association, PV and also alumni. I was really shocked at how grand their sch events can be and for e.g for teacher's day, teachers can really sit down and relax without having to organise and execute the event for the day as the PVs do almost everything. Hence, teachers can use the time to improve academic programmes and lessons unlike in my previous neighbourhood sch where we gotta do everything from scratch on top of the alr busy academic-related stuff and CCAs. And often in 'branded' schs, SES of students is generally much higher. In my previous neighbourhood sch, each class has about 3-4 on FAS scheme while my current SAP sch close to 0-1 student per class. The kinds of issues we deal with are also different. I often have to handle alot of absentees in my previous sch due to permissive or even absent and divorced parents. But current sch is more of highly-involved parents who sometimes are highly demanding. And tt said, the behaviours of students are also different, more competitive in the branded schs and less so in the neighbourhood schs BUT it's not always a positive thing as somehow the students in the SAP sch are less tolerant of each other as compared those in neighbourhood schs. Too competitive and lack of exposure to different cultures play a part. Somehow we have more discipline cases in my current sch even though the discipline mgmt is actually stricter than my previous sch. However, this is just my observation according to my own experiences, it could be different in other SAP schs.

Oh and branded schs often have better chances of having students into DSA mainly due to own parent's involvement. Sch training in each sch is generally the same but what makes a difference is tt the students themselves have outside training. I was surprised that almost every kid in my sports CCA has their own personal trainer outside of sch. Very different from those in neighbourhood schs who only depend on CCA to train.

But honestly, it still depends on your child himself and also the way you parent your child. I was frm a neighbourhood sch, with no tuitions but topped the sch, got into the special stream (bck then it was for those 250 and above), went to a branded girls sch aft tt. On the other hand, my hubby, went to a branded pri sch but got 20 points less than me in PSLE despite having a mom was an ex-teacher and even had tuitions. So really depends on the kids' abilities. But well my hubby still managed to get to a good sec sch and he eventually got into a top jc too as he worked harder in his sec sch. As parents, we play an impt part in motivating them and providing them with as much help they need, within our means.

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From another parent

I’ve had kids in both “elite primary school” and “neighbourhood school”.
I’m also a sahm so I was deeply involved in coaching them as getting tuition would put a strain on our income.
What I’ve observed are these:

1. Yes “elite schools” have better resources for random things, which are mostly funded by alumni, so it is terribly unfair to say to do away with 2A. With MOE’s constant change of policies, it’s obvious that they want people from different SES to mingle, but they can’t deny the resources the alumni have poured into their Alma maters. So let’s not be cheapskate and act all self entitled and say 2A should go.
2. Yes “elite schools” produce much better psle scores. This is largely a function of the SES of the student population. Many of them not only have sahm, they also live in a nice big private property in a central location yet mom can afford to chauffeur them around in a car, or two. Though they earn big bucks, dad is often around too.
3. Yes “elite schools” have more PRCs. It’s obviously because they channel their energy into things they can control to move odds in their favour, instead of whining all day along. They are constantly planning and plotting and motivating their children, not complaining about how they are disadvantaged. Many of them are quite nice people (at least they were to me, a (yuck) “born and bred” singaporean.
4. No, “elite schools” do not have better teachers. I compared the resources and notes and I know this for a fact. They even seem less dedicated - zero supplementary lessons. Kids were even told “anyway all of you have tuition” which is untrue for mine.Fact. Not hearsay. First hand experience.

So, if you want your child to succeed, those are the ingredients. Be rich yet present and involved.
But since we can’t really choose to be rich, we can choose to be present and involved.

Signing off as a parent whose children have gone through both “elite primary school” and “neighbourhood primary school” and one who has unwittingly conducted a social experiment with results that are often peppered with hearsay.

We got Einstein here.
 

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I'm a teacher and a parent and honestly, i cant deny there is indeed a difference in a normal neighbourhood sch, 'popular' neighbourhood sch and 'branded' schs. I taught in all 3 types of sch with a SAP sch being my current sch. The stark constrast is actually the amount of resources and programmes which really depend alot on budget and manpower. And unfortunately the normal neighbourhood schs dont have this as they dont have affiliations with associations tt actually sponsor certain events/resources and programmes. SAP schs especially have both good support frm their clan association, PV and also alumni. I was really shocked at how grand their sch events can be and for e.g for teacher's day, teachers can really sit down and relax without having to organise and execute the event for the day as the PVs do almost everything. Hence, teachers can use the time to improve academic programmes and lessons unlike in my previous neighbourhood sch where we gotta do everything from scratch on top of the alr busy academic-related stuff and CCAs. And often in 'branded' schs, SES of students is generally much higher. In my previous neighbourhood sch, each class has about 3-4 on FAS scheme while my current SAP sch close to 0-1 student per class. The kinds of issues we deal with are also different. I often have to handle alot of absentees in my previous sch due to permissive or even absent and divorced parents. But current sch is more of highly-involved parents who sometimes are highly demanding. And tt said, the behaviours of students are also different, more competitive in the branded schs and less so in the neighbourhood schs BUT it's not always a positive thing as somehow the students in the SAP sch are less tolerant of each other as compared those in neighbourhood schs. Too competitive and lack of exposure to different cultures play a part. Somehow we have more discipline cases in my current sch even though the discipline mgmt is actually stricter than my previous sch. However, this is just my observation according to my own experiences, it could be different in other SAP schs.

Oh and branded schs often have better chances of having students into DSA mainly due to own parent's involvement. Sch training in each sch is generally the same but what makes a difference is tt the students themselves have outside training. I was surprised that almost every kid in my sports CCA has their own personal trainer outside of sch. Very different from those in neighbourhood schs who only depend on CCA to train.

But honestly, it still depends on your child himself and also the way you parent your child. I was frm a neighbourhood sch, with no tuitions but topped the sch, got into the special stream (bck then it was for those 250 and above), went to a branded girls sch aft tt. On the other hand, my hubby, went to a branded pri sch but got 20 points less than me in PSLE despite having a mom was an ex-teacher and even had tuitions. So really depends on the kids' abilities. But well my hubby still managed to get to a good sec sch and he eventually got into a top jc too as he worked harder in his sec sch. As parents, we play an impt part in motivating them and providing them with as much help they need, within our means.

—————————
From another parent

I’ve had kids in both “elite primary school” and “neighbourhood school”.
I’m also a sahm so I was deeply involved in coaching them as getting tuition would put a strain on our income.
What I’ve observed are these:

1. Yes “elite schools” have better resources for random things, which are mostly funded by alumni, so it is terribly unfair to say to do away with 2A. With MOE’s constant change of policies, it’s obvious that they want people from different SES to mingle, but they can’t deny the resources the alumni have poured into their Alma maters. So let’s not be cheapskate and act all self entitled and say 2A should go.
2. Yes “elite schools” produce much better psle scores. This is largely a function of the SES of the student population. Many of them not only have sahm, they also live in a nice big private property in a central location yet mom can afford to chauffeur them around in a car, or two. Though they earn big bucks, dad is often around too.
3. Yes “elite schools” have more PRCs. It’s obviously because they channel their energy into things they can control to move odds in their favour, instead of whining all day along. They are constantly planning and plotting and motivating their children, not complaining about how they are disadvantaged. Many of them are quite nice people (at least they were to me, a (yuck) “born and bred” singaporean.
4. No, “elite schools” do not have better teachers. I compared the resources and notes and I know this for a fact. They even seem less dedicated - zero supplementary lessons. Kids were even told “anyway all of you have tuition” which is untrue for mine.Fact. Not hearsay. First hand experience.

So, if you want your child to succeed, those are the ingredients. Be rich yet present and involved.
But since we can’t really choose to be rich, we can choose to be present and involved.

Signing off as a parent whose children have gone through both “elite primary school” and “neighbourhood primary school” and one who has unwittingly conducted a social experiment with results that are often peppered with hearsay.


Has always been the case for decades....just that commoners dont talk about it as its pointless.
Elites dont talk about it to avoid 'rocking the boat'.
Occasionally we will have a handful who will gloat and boast...but nothing really follows up or any consequences after.
 

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lol i don't think you even need to be a parent to tell
 

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Every school is a good school, but no one says they are equal. Good is a range, can be a bit good, quite good, sibei good, super good :o
 

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of course there is difference.
You want yr kid to co study with atas well behaved driven kids or bunch of monkeys.

Any adult will know this else why top schools are so popular
not true
govt want all kids to mix
and they are increasing 2C spots
so now many schools have SNE too and there will be 1 or 2 monkeys in that cohort for sure
 

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No matter what, it's already head-start in life... while most peasants struggled to get a foot in the society after graduating, these elites are already controlling and manipulating all peasants... song boh.
 

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not true
govt want all kids to mix
and they are increasing 2C spots
so now many schools have SNE too and there will be 1 or 2 monkeys in that cohort for sure
which primary school increases 2c
of course the in demand better primary school

and yes they increased to min 40
But 41 or 42?
 

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which primary school increases 2c
of course the in demand better primary school

and yes they increased to min 40
But 41 or 42?
increase lah
even those spots not taken up in 2A
are split to 2/3 go to 2C
1/3 go to 2B ma

so in a way, 2C spots increases loh
just 2 examples
nanyang pri 2C is 42 spots this year
taonan is 45
 

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Instead of saying all schools are good, I’d rather think there are no bad schools, only bad students and parents
 

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I'm a teacher and a parent and honestly, i cant deny there is indeed a difference in a normal neighbourhood sch, 'popular' neighbourhood sch and 'branded' schs. I taught in all 3 types of sch with a SAP sch being my current sch. The stark constrast is actually the amount of resources and programmes which really depend alot on budget and manpower. And unfortunately the normal neighbourhood schs dont have this as they dont have affiliations with associations tt actually sponsor certain events/resources and programmes. SAP schs especially have both good support frm their clan association, PV and also alumni. I was really shocked at how grand their sch events can be and for e.g for teacher's day, teachers can really sit down and relax without having to organise and execute the event for the day as the PVs do almost everything. Hence, teachers can use the time to improve academic programmes and lessons unlike in my previous neighbourhood sch where we gotta do everything from scratch on top of the alr busy academic-related stuff and CCAs. And often in 'branded' schs, SES of students is generally much higher. In my previous neighbourhood sch, each class has about 3-4 on FAS scheme while my current SAP sch close to 0-1 student per class. The kinds of issues we deal with are also different. I often have to handle alot of absentees in my previous sch due to permissive or even absent and divorced parents. But current sch is more of highly-involved parents who sometimes are highly demanding. And tt said, the behaviours of students are also different, more competitive in the branded schs and less so in the neighbourhood schs BUT it's not always a positive thing as somehow the students in the SAP sch are less tolerant of each other as compared those in neighbourhood schs. Too competitive and lack of exposure to different cultures play a part. Somehow we have more discipline cases in my current sch even though the discipline mgmt is actually stricter than my previous sch. However, this is just my observation according to my own experiences, it could be different in other SAP schs.

Oh and branded schs often have better chances of having students into DSA mainly due to own parent's involvement. Sch training in each sch is generally the same but what makes a difference is tt the students themselves have outside training. I was surprised that almost every kid in my sports CCA has their own personal trainer outside of sch. Very different from those in neighbourhood schs who only depend on CCA to train.

But honestly, it still depends on your child himself and also the way you parent your child. I was frm a neighbourhood sch, with no tuitions but topped the sch, got into the special stream (bck then it was for those 250 and above), went to a branded girls sch aft tt. On the other hand, my hubby, went to a branded pri sch but got 20 points less than me in PSLE despite having a mom was an ex-teacher and even had tuitions. So really depends on the kids' abilities. But well my hubby still managed to get to a good sec sch and he eventually got into a top jc too as he worked harder in his sec sch. As parents, we play an impt part in motivating them and providing them with as much help they need, within our means.

—————————
From another parent

I’ve had kids in both “elite primary school” and “neighbourhood school”.
I’m also a sahm so I was deeply involved in coaching them as getting tuition would put a strain on our income.
What I’ve observed are these:

1. Yes “elite schools” have better resources for random things, which are mostly funded by alumni, so it is terribly unfair to say to do away with 2A. With MOE’s constant change of policies, it’s obvious that they want people from different SES to mingle, but they can’t deny the resources the alumni have poured into their Alma maters. So let’s not be cheapskate and act all self entitled and say 2A should go.
2. Yes “elite schools” produce much better psle scores. This is largely a function of the SES of the student population. Many of them not only have sahm, they also live in a nice big private property in a central location yet mom can afford to chauffeur them around in a car, or two. Though they earn big bucks, dad is often around too.
3. Yes “elite schools” have more PRCs. It’s obviously because they channel their energy into things they can control to move odds in their favour, instead of whining all day along. They are constantly planning and plotting and motivating their children, not complaining about how they are disadvantaged. Many of them are quite nice people (at least they were to me, a (yuck) “born and bred” singaporean.
4. No, “elite schools” do not have better teachers. I compared the resources and notes and I know this for a fact. They even seem less dedicated - zero supplementary lessons. Kids were even told “anyway all of you have tuition” which is untrue for mine.Fact. Not hearsay. First hand experience.

So, if you want your child to succeed, those are the ingredients. Be rich yet present and involved.
But since we can’t really choose to be rich, we can choose to be present and involved.

Signing off as a parent whose children have gone through both “elite primary school” and “neighbourhood primary school” and one who has unwittingly conducted a social experiment with results that are often peppered with hearsay.
Ballot just ended and now the FB group is full of parents kpkb about not getting into their choice of school. Lots of debates flying around about what’s a “good” or “bad” school.

Heng my kid already in a top school.. wahaha. But honestly, I agree with her point: parental involvement matters more than the school itself. Singapore’s half day schooling is pretty much child’s play. teachers teach half a day, syllabus/exams are tough, so the rest is on you. Either get involved or get tuition if you want your kid to score well.
 

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No matter what, it's already head-start in life... while most peasants struggled to get a foot in the society after graduating, these elites are already controlling and manipulating all peasants... song boh.
We will do the exact same thing when we r elite. Its human nature
 

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PRC teachers were sharing that even for normal school in singapore, the competition is more fierce in singapore than china.

They were telling CHINA parents "do not for any second think education in singapore schools is easier even tho there are lesser topics to target"

these was part of a casual gathering i have with these ppl for my monthly trekking
 

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Instead of saying all schools are good, I’d rather think there are no bad schools, only bad students and parents
Bad is a loaded term. public schs have very different level of resources which in term affects students outcomes
 
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