Intel ARC series GPU (Over 40% perf/$ vs Nvidia)

[watzup_ken]

the boss there mentioned that no matter how low they set the price, still very hard to move stock. i guess nvidia mindshare very strong here in sg.

i heard that the software reported power consumption is usually quite inaccurate. even the lowest bin a580 easily pulls 200w+ in actual measurements despite reporting 150-160w.

Nvidia mindset is very strong is one factor. If Intel had launched these cards with glowing reviews (ideal scenario), then I think they will also become quite popular. But we all know that did not happen, and as you can tell people still having the mindset that Intel ARC owners are still beta testers. The initial impression is usually what sets the stage. Not to mention that it took Intel about a year to resolve the teething issues.

Unfortunately, I don't have a device that tells me the exact power draw of the GPU. I am just comparing the power draw of the cards that I used to have from Nvidia and AMD, with this Intel ARC. So if it is a software inaccuracy, I assume it will apply to AMD and Nvidia cards as well. So still a fair comparison in my opinion and I think the idle power draw is too high @ 40+W. I believe this is due to the fact that the memory don't get downclocked much when the GPU is at idle. Other tell tale sign where I think the power draw is ok is the GPU temps @ around 60+ degrees C. I am using the Sparkle ROC, so it is not using some fancy cooler.

I don't know when this A580 was tested in Techpowerup, but it may be fixed through the driver refinement. It is similar to when AMD first introduced the RX 7900 series where the idle and frame rate capped power draw was very high. Seems like the driver is making the GPU work very hard regardless of load. I think AMD resolved when I was testing out a RX 7800 XT. In any case, the power consumption is less of an issue to me because truth to be told, I rarely use my main computer nowadays.

 

[watzup_ken]

intel always win in power consumption

This is especially the case when they are using their own node. At least this is my observation so far. For GPU fortunately, they are using TSMC. And the funny fact is that the entire graphic card draws less power than their flagship CPU.

 

[NightRaven49]

 

[NightRaven49]

just received my a750 will post more pics in hoot club later.

performance seems good, about 1.5-2x uplift from my 580. hopefully once upgrade to 1440p monitor, can see bigger uplift, i think not bad for less than $250. biggest issue is even with monitor drivers installed, the refresh rate is stuck at 60hz instead of the 75hz my monitor is capable of.

 

[watzup_ken]

just received my a750 will post more pics in hoot club later.

performance seems good, about 1.5-2x uplift from my 580. hopefully once upgrade to 1440p monitor, can see bigger uplift, i think not bad for less than $250. biggest issue is even with monitor drivers installed, the refresh rate is stuck at 60hz instead of the 75hz my monitor is capable of.

Is it the limitation with the cable? Because for my case, the Sparkle A770 ROC works fine @ 144 Hz using the Display Port. Not sure you also ran DDU before installing the Intel driver?

 

[Phen8210]

just received my a750 will post more pics in hoot club later.

performance seems good, about 1.5-2x uplift from my 580. hopefully once upgrade to 1440p monitor, can see bigger uplift, i think not bad for less than $250. biggest issue is even with monitor drivers installed, the refresh rate is stuck at 60hz instead of the 75hz my monitor is capable of.

i think 75hz need change from window display setting.

support intel guys they going broke soon

 

[Kunkka]

just received my a750 will post more pics in hoot club later.

performance seems good, about 1.5-2x uplift from my 580. hopefully once upgrade to 1440p monitor, can see bigger uplift, i think not bad for less than $250. biggest issue is even with monitor drivers installed, the refresh rate is stuck at 60hz instead of the 75hz my monitor is capable of.

U buy for av1?

 

[NightRaven49]

Is it the limitation with the cable? Because for my case, the Sparkle A770 ROC works fine @ 144 Hz using the Display Port.

nope, used the same cable as with my rx580 which worked with 75hz. my monitor also no displayport

Not sure you also ran DDU before installing the Intel driver?

yes, got use ddu remove amd drivers.

i think 75hz need change from window display setting.

U buy for av1?

more of hand itchy, bonus came in recently sizeable jump in performance from my 580 also.

 

[Phen8210]

nope, used the same cable as with my rx580 which worked with 75hz. my monitor also no displayport

yes, got use ddu remove amd drivers.

more of hand itchy, bonus came in recently sizeable jump in performance from my 580 also.

refund I guess? Intel cpu suck, gpu also suck.

dono what they doing lol

 

[NightRaven49]

refund I guess?

well, looks like more of a driver related issue. i found this tool called cru that can add a desired resolution and refresh rate in the list of all display adapter modes, and now im back on 1080p75

 

[Phen8210]

well, looks like more of a driver related issue. i found this tool called cru that can add a desired resolution and refresh rate in the list of all display adapter modes, and now im back on 1080p75

yeah, i wonder why it didnt detect the 75 hz, american company not being inclusive

 

[watzup_ken]

nope, used the same cable as with my rx580 which worked with 75hz. my monitor also no displayport

yes, got use ddu remove amd drivers.

more of hand itchy, bonus came in recently sizeable jump in performance from my 580 also.

Based on the screenshot that you shared, this is a Dell S2418H monitor? If so, the specs specified that its a 1080p @ 60Hz monitor. The HX model can go up to 75Hz. If it is the latter model, may be try and remove the monitor driver because it may be treating this as the slower 60Hz model?

 

[NightRaven49]

Based on the screenshot that you shared, this is a Dell S2418H monitor? If so, the specs specified that its a 1080p @ 60Hz monitor. The HX model can go up to 75Hz.

i bought this h model years ago and it was very clearly advertised as a 75hz model then; the product page has since been taken down. in the manual for the s2418h (which is interchangeable with the hx) it is also stated that 1080p75 is a supported preset mode. 75hz also worked flawlessly with my rx580.

If it is the latter model, may be try and remove the monitor driver because it may be treating this as the slower 60Hz model?

done this and still no dice.

 

[watzup_ken]

Worst case, just overclock it yourself then. May be it’s Intel’s driver that locked this to 60Hz.

 

[Phen8210]

Worst case, just overclock it yourself then. May be it’s Intel’s driver that locked this to 60Hz.

he already did https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...over-40-perf-vs-nvidia.6816565/post-153202878

 

[ThinkMe]

 

[Phen8210]

how come soo lousy?

 

[naked123]

how come soo lousy?

it craps all over the more expensive 4060

 

[final1]

Seems like a good job intel has done with the B580. Can also fight with 4060 Ti.

But, it seems like they are earning nothing per B580 or losing money per B580 based on the die size (272mm2) being so large (4060 is 159mm2) and the 12GB ram at US$250. It's a brute force design and not an efficiency design (not a bad decision since they can't compete with nvidia on GPU design technology). Almost all gamers do not care how big is the die size they would only care about the performance and cost.
Not sure how long can they sustain losing money every GPU sold to gain (just a little bit more?) market share.
For those who do not know, higher die size means higher costs as they get less GPUs per wafer produced by TSMC.

I highly doubt this card will be produced in very large quantities since what i said above.

Those interested, get it when you can if you can snag it at US$250. I would get the designs with a built in overclock to 2800++ mhz for just a little bit more money. Asrock steel legend for example.
Import only at the moment. I have only seen it on newegg. But, due to good reviews, its sold out for now.

There are B580s on amazon USA for sale but for quite a bit more than MSRP.

I am on a 3090 so i am not in the B580's target market.

 

[Vulpix]

Is this going to be available in Singapore? I want to get the b580 for my other gaming pc.