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Intel ARC series GPU (Over 40% perf/$ vs Nvidia)

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Vulpix said:
Is this going to be available in Singapore? I want to get the b580 for my other gaming pc.
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I wonder if you can get the Intel Limited Edition version on Amazon, may be you can still get warranty since the after sales support should be provided by Intel directly. Same like buying any Intel NUC or products. I do think that if it is available in SG, the price will not be attractive for sure. You just have to look at the launch price of the A750/770 in SG previously and get a sense of the premium that you need to pay.
 
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To be fair, B580 has reviewed well versus the 4060 for now.
But:
(1) This is a 2024 card versus 2022 card.
(2) This is a 12GB card versus a 8GB card. At higher resolutions, the 4060 is hamstrung by its vram.
(2) Amd's new cards will be out next month. Have to see their price point for their 8700 xt and 8800 xt. I am not sure if there is a 8600 xt. I think obviously they will be more than US$250 still.
(3) No need to talk about Nvidia's cards out next month. Those are in the high end segment.

I repeat that i dont expect intel to sell the B580 in singapore.
If you want it, import from newegg or amazon usa or amazon sg when they are available.

amazon usa has stock now but only for higher than msrp.
This card has an overclock to 2850mhz versus 2670 on intel's stock B580 which i think is pretty nice.
 
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watzup_ken said:
I do think that if it is available in SG, the price will not be attractive for sure. You just have to look at the launch price of the A750/770 in SG previously and get a sense of the premium that you need to pay.
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the a750 launched below its usd msrp in sg barely 6 months after launch. #66
to be fair, intel drivers at the time were still not good, and the performance was entry level at best, so that could have affected the pricing somewhat. but even if u add 9% gst to the b580 usd msrp and a bit of local markup, it should still land around rx7600 pricing. i suspect that most buyers would give it a pass around that price though, so hopefully the markup would be lower or even follow the case of the a750.
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I repeat that i dont expect intel to sell the B580 in singapore.
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why not? apparently moving a770 stock was feared to be difficult, so it was never available in sg, but the b580 seems like it willl be a hit (if priced well).
 
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NightRaven49 said:
why not? apparently moving a770 stock was feared to be difficult, so it was never available in sg, but the b580 seems like it willl be a hit (if priced well).
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B580 is not being made in volume (my guess). They are losing money per card or earning nothing per card (my guess) due to the sheer die size for a card that competes with the least powerful nvidia card with a much smaller die size.

Intel is not in good shape as a company but they had a promise to shareholders that battlemage will be launching this year. The B580 launch is more about not getting sued (i.e. misleading shareholders).

Obviously, this discussion has no bearing on the reviews of the card's graphics performance itself.
What i am saying here is about the economics of the card.
 
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I would recommend getting the Intel limited edition if buying overseas, i.e. Amazon or Newegg. I believe Intel warranty/ after sales service may apply. While cooling may not be as elaborate as AIB partner card design, this B580 is not a very power hungry card to require some complicated cooling solution.
 
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The pre-order by TD is ASrock Intel Arc B580 Challenger 12GB OC.
 
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huat ah, my A770 from 2 years back will run even better once the proper graphics drivers release
 
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final1 said:
To be fair, B580 has reviewed well versus the 4060 for now.
But:
(1) This is a 2024 card versus 2022 card.
(2) This is a 12GB card versus a 8GB card. At higher resolutions, the 4060 is hamstrung by its vram.
(2) Amd's new cards will be out next month. Have to see their price point for their 8700 xt and 8800 xt. I am not sure if there is a 8600 xt. I think obviously they will be more than US$250 still.
(3) No need to talk about Nvidia's cards out next month. Those are in the high end segment.

I repeat that i dont expect intel to sell the B580 in singapore.
If you want it, import from newegg or amazon usa or amazon sg when they are available.

amazon usa has stock now but only for higher than msrp.
This card has an overclock to 2850mhz versus 2670 on intel's stock B580 which i think is pretty nice.
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Agree that Battlemage should not be compared to existing cards given that we should expect a new gen to be released in another month or 2. But I do think the value proposition is still good and I don't believe Nvidia or AMD will stop producing 8GB cards for the mid/lower tier SKUs going forward. So this at least gives people an option if they want a more "future proof" GPU with more VRAM.
 
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watzup_ken said:
Agree that Battlemage should not be compared to existing cards given that we should expect a new gen to be released in another month or 2. But I do think the value proposition is still good and I don't believe Nvidia or AMD will stop producing 8GB cards for the mid/lower tier SKUs going forward. So this at least gives people an option if they want a more "future proof" GPU with more VRAM.
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nvidia may do a F U to consumers and do another 10GB vram card lol.
 
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watzup_ken said:
Agree that Battlemage should not be compared to existing cards given that we should expect a new gen to be released in another month or 2. But I do think the value proposition is still good and I don't believe Nvidia or AMD will stop producing 8GB cards for the mid/lower tier SKUs going forward. So this at least gives people an option if they want a more "future proof" GPU with more VRAM.
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It seems like Intel is very smart (or at least more grounded, hurhur electronics joke) about designing a product for the masses, I suspect they were aiming for 1440p/1080p based on the Steam hardware charts (55% of Steam users run 1080p), and add more VRAM just in case games get chokier on VRAM use in the future.

However profitability as an entire company remains to be seen, given that they are (1) outsourcing the manufacturing, and (2) pricing B series cards way too cheaply. But then again maybe this is all a big product launch strategy, and the final blow will be to launch Xe3 or B770 in 2025 to hit ~33% market share? Or maybe go the embedded/mobile route with consoles/phones? Only time will tell.

Well at least the RGB GPU market joke can hold true now, lol...
 
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Asphodeli said:
It seems like Intel is very smart (or at least more grounded, hurhur electronics joke) about designing a product for the masses, I suspect they were aiming for 1440p/1080p based on the Steam hardware charts (55% of Steam users run 1080p), and add more VRAM just in case games get chokier on VRAM use in the future.

However profitability as an entire company remains to be seen, given that they are (1) outsourcing the manufacturing, and (2) pricing B series cards way too cheaply. But then again maybe this is all a big product launch strategy, and the final blow will be to launch Xe3 or B770 in 2025 to hit ~33% market share? Or maybe go the embedded/mobile route with consoles/phones? Only time will tell.

Well at least the RGB GPU market joke can hold true now, lol...
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Its marketed as a 1440p card.
1080p actually is 'just ok' or 'acceptable' performance for this card, at this price, from what i have seen on the day 1 reviews.

To show a good difference between a 4060, you need to go to 1440p.
And, this is not really even due to the cards graphics architecture being better than nvidias.
It is due to the 4060 choking due to shortage of vram at higher resolutions.

I will give credit to intel for going with 12GB vram at this price point.
 
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final1 said:
Its marketed as a 1440p card.
1080p actually is 'just ok' or 'acceptable' performance for this card, at this price, from what i have seen on the day 1 reviews.

To show a good difference between a 4060, you need to go to 1440p.
And, this is not really even due to the cards graphics architecture being better than nvidias.
It is due to the 4060 choking due to shortage of vram at higher resolutions.

I will give credit to intel for going with 12GB vram at this price point.
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Ah yes, classic case of software outpacing hardware, just like Windows 11 effectively needs 32GB of RAM to run with enough headroom nowadays, lol
 
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