iPhone XS Esim question

[WhiteAnt]

SIM card has not progressed either. It nothing but a waste of space. Another port that oem has the seal for ip ratings and in Singapore you are charged 30+ for a piece of plastic. I rather tAke the 5 dollar any day.

Headphone jack one less cable to manage and untangle from your pockets.

Wireless is the end game goal like it or not. Bluetooth and even wifi tech can and will be pushed to cover the short falls of cables soon.

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I agree simcard is a waste of space, but no choice as esim is not widely available in many countries. I read that one has to pay $37.45 for eSIM, not $5. Either you read it wrong, or the info I read here is wrong. Also that $5 is chargeable for each activation - change phone, go service phone or using spare phone etc. If you change 8 phones like me in the past decade, that is going to cost an additional $40 (esim) while i pay nothing extra (physical sim). I rather stick physical sim anytime - not broken, why fix it?

No doubt it will be the future, but only when battery can last long enough or cheap enough. I would be super happy to see real wireless in this generation then no more wires at home from cars to refrigerators to lightbulbs. Short answer is no, it will take a long long time for that to happen.

ermz.. why this debate.. just call in and ask for waiver..

Hope it is that simple

 

[kmkimlo]

Hope it is that simple

if you never try, you never know..

 

[deathst]

I agree simcard is a waste of space, but no choice as esim is not widely available in many countries. I read that one has to pay $37.45 for eSIM, not $5. Either you read it wrong, or the info I read here is wrong. Also that $5 is chargeable for each activation - change phone, go service phone or using spare phone etc. If you change 8 phones like me in the past decade, that is going to cost an additional $40 (esim) while i pay nothing extra (physical sim). I rather stick physical sim anytime - not broken, why fix it?

No doubt it will be the future, but only when battery can last long enough or cheap enough. I would be super happy to see real wireless in this generation then no more wires at home from cars to refrigerators to lightbulbs. Short answer is no, it will take a long long time for that to happen.



Hope it is that simple

Your need or want to change phones so frequently cannot be sustainable in the coming market and future. With the prices and the way things are positioned right now, you should really just be getting a flagship for 2 years before changing now.

Case in point Apple products and support were made to last for 2 years and more before any fault do happen. The reason for the Apple care in their products are to Ensure that it last that duration and if anything really happens they will address it.

I’ve not charged my AirPods for 5 days already. The case has 54% left and I use them day for my train ride to school and back around 3 hours a day for the journey alone. Not including my study time at home and in between lectures and labs.

Apple AirPods nailed it spot on with battery life.

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[WhiteAnt]

Courage in what is right. Just like the headphone jack and floppy disk. Sometimes you just need to do the uncomfortable thing and go with it.

Right now the world is shifting to USB C we will see note USB C in everything portable. Thumb drives to SSD external hard disks. Majority of the world are on legacy ports now it will take time to be unified under USB C. Thunderbolt interface has won the War in USB C. It not going anywhere any time soon as it is used in PC monitors, GPU, eGPU. Laptops and storage drives. People just have to learn to adopt and adapt to the rapidly change environment of tech.

Wireless is the answer to headphone jack. It will get there.

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I'm not saying it's bad to move on to better things and technology, provided it is more widely available. Technology always takes time to move on once the price is more affordable.

USB-c is already in the market for few years already lo, if by now they still not using usb-c is already outdated until cannot.

Already said wireless technology will get there but will need time. But I don;t
like the fact that they just remove the headphone jack without providing any alternatives at all. End up people using dongle lol, don't you think isn't it step backwards? Well, the time isn't right, they're doing it prematurely. I never disagree with wireless tech or else i won't be using my wireless mouse for >10years. However, there are still people use wired mouse now. It takes an even longer time to transit to wireless earphones if battery life still doesnt improve (or at least i don't see any real benefits).

 

[WhiteAnt]

Your need or want to change phones so frequently cannot be sustainable in the coming market and future. With the prices and the way things are positioned right now, you should really just be getting a flagship for 2 years before changing now.

Case in point Apple products and support were made to last for 2 years and more before any fault do happen. The reason for the Apple care in their products are to Ensure that it last that duration and if anything really happens they will address it.

I’ve not charged my AirPods for 5 days already. The case has 54% left and I use them day for my train ride to school and back around 3 hours a day for the journey alone. Not including my study time at home and in between lectures and labs.

Apple AirPods nailed it spot on with battery life.

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Why you make it sound like my fault if I don't change phone in 2years time? How often people change phone is our freedom right? Technology is so rigid that we cannot change phones meh If is stupidog, he would've easily incurred esim activation of at least $500 by now for the past 10 years by the countless changing of phones You don't take your own case as the perfect case for everyone out there. Even if you change every 2years, that would be $25 esim activation cost for 10years. It's no brainer why would someone pay $5 for esim per activation when physical sim literally cost $0 ( unless that person is doing so big business with many simcards).

You buy the idea of airpods coz you're their target consumer (the 10% maybe). To me, i don't like to track how many % of earphone battery am i left with. I stuff it in my bag, it must works everything i want it to - be it overseas or mountain climbing so long it is with me. Simple as that for practicality sake.

 

[deathst]

You buy the idea of airpods coz you're their target consumer (the 10% maybe). To me, i don't like to track how many % of earphone battery am i left with. I stuff it in my bag, it must works everything i want it to - be it overseas or mountain climbing so long it is with me. Simple as that for practicality sake.

That is how I feel about my Airpods.. It just works. Plugging it in only when well.. when it is a sunday and when I sleep then good for another week. The standby battery life in the casing is really really amazing and in a single sitting with 5 hours per charge. Hardly burn it down all the way

 

[*adiBOY]

Oh trust me the telco are not getting sweet talked at all. They are on their own in this. Apple and Google are just pushing them there with HW support for it with a clear sight of ridding sim cards for good. I have good sources and friends in places who shared this when questioned about it why Orange made it first.

The thing about telco that they generally do not move out of their set infrastructure until they are pushed by competition or by their lifeline. For this case their lifelines are, phones, tablets and enterprise customers. eSIM is looming around the corner, it will only be a matter of time it comes into full effect as OEM need the space for their HW. Just like the headphone jack on phones. Wearable go straight for eSIM. IoT tech also eSIM.

There are reasons why China has HW sim card trays cause China’s resistance against eSIMs. it is easier to push the rest of the world than to push china to change. Look at their iCloud Service and in the end they had to get HW servers in china to host all of china user's data in there for.. regulation reason. How Apple is going to continue this once eSIM comes to full effect, my guess is that they will only sell the Plus size devices for them in the coming future with the sim-tray or hopefully by then CN has adopted eSIM and in-fact they might do so very quickly.

USB-C will come eventually to iPhone since the iPad Pro and Macbooks are now all on it. It not just any USB-C it is a Thunderbolt 3 USB-C. You can actually see the pattern as they go.

USB-C on iPhone won’t be implemented so soon. Apple has just introduce MFi program for USB-C to lightning connector so it will take some time before moving iPhone to USB-C. iPad Pro needs USB-C because it will be catered for professionals but I don’t see other iPad lines moving to USB-C. I hope they prove me wrong though.

 

[hereiam7788]

USB-C on iPhone won’t be implemented so soon. Apple has just introduce MFi program for USB-C to lightning connector so it will take some time before moving iPhone to USB-C. iPad Pro needs USB-C because it will be catered for professionals but I don’t see other iPad lines moving to USB-C. I hope they prove me wrong though.

Not necessary. becos there is high chance that next year iphone may not get major redesign in terms of look, but it is not a 's' year anymore, so Apple sure must made some change physically. Switching to USB-c will be the easiest but major changes to many they can do to the phone.

 

[kudo2904]

If you can afford a $1,600 phone then no point complaining about $5 eSIM activation charges. Once a year at most?

 

[Extremme]

If I want to change my m1 physical sim card to esim, what is the charge? $5 or $30+?

 

[kmkimlo]

If I want to change my m1 physical sim card to esim, what is the charge? $5 or $30+?

$37+++.. just call in and try request for waiver

 

[monsters2009]

If you can afford a $1,600 phone then no point complaining about $5 eSIM activation charges. Once a year at most?

I think it is not a question of affordability but rather is it something rational to be charged just for activation.

 

[007Mi6]

The moment apple releases a physical dualsim iphone in china exclusively but not the rest of the world, you know that it is trying to be funny. I wonder why isn't apple able to sweet talk the telcos there (china) but instead pushing ours like what you said? There are many countries which are not using esim too. Given a choice of china iphone and ours, i (and many many people) will gladly take the former one if telco is selling both here. My ideal is simple, unless you've worked out that there is a real benefit of doing sth, or else don't do it. Why jump the gun when many countries are not ready yet.

Thanks for highlighting on the usb-c being non-proprietary and it's a great relief to hear that finally! As a consumer I am more interested to know if it is going to be another messy cable management or not. Wouldn't make any difference if I read up whatever special cables (transfer speed at 1million Gbps) if they are going to push out anyway, right? Like no headphone jack, well people read up cry roar suicide also pointless, they're going to remove it by using lightning-cable connector instead of usb-c. Then when iphone change to usb-c connect, the old earphones have to be thrown away (environmental friendly?) due to incompatibility or buy another dongle

Apple was the first to start the Smartphone revolution, adopt Thunderbolt across its Mac products, first consumer reversible connector (Lightning connector) and eSIM. They have been taking the lead in doing things that are right and beneficial to the consumers many of the time. It is the same for the original connector to the current lightning connector on iPhones.

USB C was developed jointly by Apple and other corporates. Even Micro USB to USB C is a pain that Android users initially faced.

Yes, no doubt Physical SIM is easier and more convenient now. Once we get used to the eSIM and sees the benefits of switching between 4-5 eSIM on the fly, we will be glad for the reduced hassle of removing the case, having a pin and handling the physically SIM.

The world is not perfect, it’s either China version of the phone, SG version or simply just get 2x iPhones of any type.

 

[Habrosus]

I think it is not a question of affordability but rather is it something rational to be charged just for activation.

Exactly! Anyway, that $5 is for reactivation and there's nothing physical that's coming with it.

It's like having to pay each time you've to call the customer service, and like saying "if you can afford a handphone, no point complaining about $0.50. How often do you have to call them?" Yes, then the telcos will start charging after reading this.

Anyway, let's see what the other telcos charge or not charge later.

 

[007Mi6]

Exactly! Anyway, that $5 is for reactivation and there's nothing physical that's coming with it.

It's like having to pay each time you've to call the customer service, and like saying "if you can afford a handphone, no point complaining about $0.50. How often do you have to call them?" Yes, then the telcos will start charging after reading this.

Anyway, let's see what the other telcos charge or not charge later.

If it is a self service implementation, like internet banking where we can place a fixed deposit online, close and open accounts etc, then it should not be charged. Maybe months later, they improve the process, $5 can be waived. My guess is Singtel and Starhub have self service implementation.

 

[GeForce]

Anybody managed to get a waiver for the $37.45 eSim activation from M1? I LLST just gave in after asking once. T.T

 

[obichacha]

To pay for 37++ is it too much already?

Should keep your existing physical SIM card, unless you wanna buy extra data plan to add in on the main physical Sim slot.

Either you are the PR holder, you wanted to keep your own country number.. die die to pay for eSim and problem solved.

 

[kudo2904]

I feel the $5 fee is to avoid people activating unnecessarily. It seem to be quite a complicated process with regard to eSIM. For example, an iPhone with eSIM activated has the eSIM profile persist restores, even DFU restores. That means that a thief can’t just throw away your SIM and call it a day.

 

[WhiteAnt]

The world is not perfect, it’s either China version of the phone, SG version or simply just get 2x iPhones of any type.

Carrying 2x iphones is so outdated in 2018 era

I feel the $5 fee is to avoid people activating unnecessarily. It seem to be quite a complicated process with regard to eSIM. For example, an iPhone with eSIM activated has the eSIM profile persist restores, even DFU restores. That means that a thief can’t just throw away your SIM and call it a day.

Sounds like technology really didn't improve lives afterall, ironically making things more complicated, expensive and inefficient

 

[Snoweagle]

Carrying 2x iphones is so outdated in 2018 era

Bro don’t like that say leh...I’m now carrying two iPhones.