Is it really over for Intel®?

Intel is ...

  • dead man walking, soon to be buried

    Votes: 58 50.9%
  • will bounce back, buyed Intc at $10 sure huat!

    Votes: 56 49.1%

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Phen8210

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May be not error lake, but trial and error lake? ;) Intel's gotta start somewhere. I feel Intel was rapidly losing market share because of the immense power requirement from their previous CPUs. Which is why ARM is gaining popularity in the mobile and data center processors.

trial & error suppose to be in r&d stage though :unsure:
 

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2 ROFL moment for intel.

1) AMD whacking 285K in Gaming.

2) 285K sold out in Japan and US.

ROFL.
 

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2 ROFL moment for intel.

1) AMD whacking 285K in Gaming.

2) 285K sold out in Japan and US.

ROFL.

Intel's 285k undervolted via power limit down to 95W is excellent for high-efficiency.
Intel QuickSync still has no comparable AMD equivalent.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-is-supported-in-davinci-resolve-studio-2122/

Intel supports: decoding H.265
8-bit 4:2:0
8-bit 4:2:2
8-bit 4:4:4
10-bit 4:2:0
10-bit 4:2:2
10-bit 4:4:4
12-bit 4:2:0
12-bit 4:2:2
12-bit 4:4:4

But I agree with reviewer's take that the Arrow Lake CPUs are overpriced compared to its cut down performance.
 
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Intel's 285k undervolted via power limit down to 95W is excellent for high-efficiency.
Intel QuickSync still has no comparable AMD equivalent.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-is-supported-in-davinci-resolve-studio-2122/

Intel supports: decoding H.265
8-bit 4:2:0
8-bit 4:2:2
8-bit 4:4:4
10-bit 4:2:0
10-bit 4:2:2
10-bit 4:4:4
12-bit 4:2:0
12-bit 4:2:2
12-bit 4:4:4

But I agree with reviewer's take that the Arrow Lake CPUs are overpriced compared to its cut down performance.

Actually, most people won't care about Intel QuickSync unless they dont have an Nvidia GPU. While it's good to have, you can only put so much load on it, using it for 1080p editing is still ok, 4k60 is probably too much.

In the end, it is still better to select Nvidia in settings for HW acceleration since 4:2:0 and 4:4:4 are supported and it actually has a lot of headroom for realtime processing.
 

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2 ROFL moment for intel.

1) AMD whacking 285K in Gaming.

2) 285K sold out in Japan and US.

ROFL.
I feel now that Intel is using TSMC, they will likely face the same problem as AMD, and that is the lack in supply. While there will be an initial batch that will run out pretty quickly, but I actually don't think they are selling Arrow Lake CPUs like hot cakes. Once Intel starts producing Arrow Lake for laptops, I think the overall supply for desktop CPUs will be constrained.
 

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Intel's 285k undervolted via power limit down to 95W is excellent for high-efficiency.
Intel QuickSync still has no comparable AMD equivalent.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-is-supported-in-davinci-resolve-studio-2122/

Intel supports: decoding H.265
8-bit 4:2:0
8-bit 4:2:2
8-bit 4:4:4
10-bit 4:2:0
10-bit 4:2:2
10-bit 4:4:4
12-bit 4:2:0
12-bit 4:2:2
12-bit 4:4:4

But I agree with reviewer's take that the Arrow Lake CPUs are overpriced compared to its cut down performance.
QuickSync is good, but again, it is not limited to the current gen Arrow Lake. So if I really just need this feature, I think I will just go with an older CPU that can get a lot cheaper than Arrow Lake.
 

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I feel now that Intel is using TSMC, they will likely face the same problem as AMD, and that is the lack in supply. While there will be an initial batch that will run out pretty quickly, but I actually don't think they are selling Arrow Lake CPUs like hot cakes. Once Intel starts producing Arrow Lake for laptops, I think the overall supply for desktop CPUs will be constrained.
Because supply is low, hence the sold out.
 

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Yeah only 25 pieces of 285K came to Singapore. Very limited with many people having boards but no CPU.
Wow, that is a very low number. But like AMD, they are no longer in control of the supply since they are not the ones producing it. Lunar Lake probably took up the bulk of the production because it is the cheapest to manufacture and likely the one that sells the most with the best margins.
 

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Wow, that is a very low number. But like AMD, they are no longer in control of the supply since they are not the ones producing it. Lunar Lake probably took up the bulk of the production because it is the cheapest to manufacture and likely the one that sells the most with the best margins.
Exactly. It's well known TSMC production has largely been booked by Apple and AMD. I don't think TSMC had much excess capacity to cope with the numbers Intel wanted in the first place so I expect 285K to be relatively short in supply. Thing is it will still sell but I think even system integrators will have issues with supply. But honestly, I really doubt 285K and Z890 will live past 1 generation. Many enthusiasts are either keeping their 14th gen if there are no issues or jumping to 9800X3D. I'll be probably testing a 9800X3D once it's out to see if it's worth over my current 14900KS with 8600C38 rams. Mine has been working flawlessly so far.

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But 285K seems to be great for content creation but they still need to fix alot of quirks with bios and windows. Alot of teething issues with this platform.
 

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I think you are not thinking outside the box. Gaming PCs can be used for many things besides gaming. They are also ideal for video editing, 3D rendering, and IT experts who need good performance.

My laptop is actually better spec-ed than my desktop, benchmarks higher, and all that stuff, but when it comes to snappiness and responsiveness, it's nowhere close. There are tasks where my desktop always responds instantly compared to having to wait 2-3 seconds.

As for intel they are facing reputation damage, even if they made better CPU, serious users will still think twice before considering their product.

Again, gaming does not matter, serious users do not matter...

Intel got issues, but not because of losing on the gaming side...

Intel got competitive advantages because of IDM business model last time. Intel got into trouble now also because of IDM model. Now it is tough choice to give up IDM model or not (split the foundry business or not). Cutting edge process is just too expensive, even for Intel.
 

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Again, gaming does not matter, serious users do not matter...

Intel got issues, but not because of losing on the gaming side...

Intel got competitive advantages because of IDM business model last time. Intel got into trouble now also because of IDM model. Now it is tough choice to give up IDM model or not (split the foundry business or not). Cutting edge process is just too expensive, even for Intel.
As mentioned, gaming does not matter for most of the people, even though it matters for many people in this thread...

Ok noted
 

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Again, gaming does not matter, serious users do not matter...

Intel got issues, but not because of losing on the gaming side...

Intel got competitive advantages because of IDM business model last time. Intel got into trouble now also because of IDM model. Now it is tough choice to give up IDM model or not (split the foundry business or not). Cutting edge process is just too expensive, even for Intel.
Too expensive in USA.
I'm sure if Intel did their fabs in China, it will be working at half the cost and even cheaper than TSMC, and will certainly beat TSMC at the leading edge as engineers work 24/7 to solve all problems instead of only during normal working hours. Plus, there's no DEI in China.
 

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Too expensive in USA.
I'm sure if Intel did their fabs in China, it will be working at half the cost and even cheaper than TSMC, and will certainly beat TSMC at the leading edge as engineers work 24/7 to solve all problems instead of only during normal working hours. Plus, there's no DEI in China.

Yeah.. this is the main reason.. USA cares about all those little things that do more harm than good.. end up the result is expensive and poor quality.. i mean they are rich that's why they can do all that ****. You can imagine the worker work in the factory after 6 hour ask for mental health break.. ask for inclusivity of more gender, or complain to HR for misgender.

Recently i learn this, about misgender.. cannot misgender white ppl.. dont judge by appearance
 
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