Is it really over for Intel®?

[watzup_ken]

To early to tell how good or how bad Intel 18A will be.

Even the above article mentioned the following.


That being said, personally I think Intel should indeed split and Intel Product will still be a good company with good future. Intel Foundry will still be able to stay afloat with the help of the US Government but I tend to think it will difficult to be able to compete with TSMC or even Samsung any time soon.

I feel there is so much you can do if the yield is poor. If it is rumored at 10% now, I am not sure how easy it will be to raise it to something like 60% in 6 months to a year. If you look at Samsung's fab, they have been struggling with poor yield for a number of years now, and don't seem to have a way out of it even today. I don't think the rumor is that far off because even Broadcom also mentioned about the poor yield with Intel 20A that will likely impact any derivative of it, i.e. 18A.

That's why I always think that Pat's strategy to focus on Intel's foundry business is a very bad mistake. Their foundry business will certainly ensure that the government will bail it out (so it is like a safety net) if it tanks, but it will result in continuous financial bleeding, especially when their fab yield is not good and there is no significant customers signing up for it.

 

[ragnarok95]

Combination of many things. 200S also from TSMC you see how it performs in gaming. Now intel is fighting fire on their 200S. I just got news that ASrock is working on a update to improve 200S performance.

Still... i went with a 265K and a Z890. I hope intel at least try to fix what went wrong. lol.

 

[KleoZy]

Vote for me. I will bring back HT. I will P core + HT, E core + HT, then i will HT everything again.

I will put hand and leg up. you got 4 votes kakakakak

 

[ragnarok95]

I will put hand and leg up. you got 4 votes kakakakak

Thanks for your vote!!!

 

[iceblendedchoc]

I vote for no more e core

 

[xonix]

Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger "retires "

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/bus...elsinger-retires-struggling-chipmaker-4782386

Intel appoints two new board members with semiconductor backgrounds following Gelsinger exit
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...ctor-background-following-gelsinger-departure

 

[kimsix]

intc crashed until no eye see

orbigoot the greedy board pushed out Pat

 

[Encrypted11]

Old beedio from former Intel Principal Engineer pointing out issues with the greedy board.

 

[watzup_ken]

Combination of many things. 200S also from TSMC you see how it performs in gaming. Now intel is fighting fire on their 200S. I just got news that ASrock is working on a update to improve 200S performance.

Still... i went with a 265K and a Z890. I hope intel at least try to fix what went wrong. lol.

I am looking forward to see what Intel can do to salvage the situation, but if motherboard makers are trying to do some optimization, I rather they don't do it. So far, "optimization" by motherboard makers tends to mess with voltage and overclocking, which is not ideal. After all, they don't design the chip to understand the ins and outs of how it works, and so the only way they "optimize" it is by brute force.

 

[watzup_ken]

I vote for no more e core

I agree. But given the direction to stop using HT/SMT, the only way ahead to make up for the lack of threads will be to leverage on these cheaper E cores. To be honest, I am not sure if having to design both the P and E cores is actually cost effective from an R&D standpoint though.

 

[Phen8210]

intc crashed until no eye see

orbigoot the greedy board pushed out Pat

wow back to $20?

 

[Phen8210]

I agree. But given the direction to stop using HT/SMT, the only way ahead to make up for the lack of threads will be to leverage on these cheaper E cores. To be honest, I am not sure if having to design both the P and E cores is actually cost effective from an R&D standpoint though.

Intel should just go back to having HT and using real cores.

What's the point of marketing 24 core, when 16 (66.67%) of them are fake?

The worst part is that they expect Microsoft and Software Developers to come up with a plan to fully leverage their unconventional design.. you see that time where they make some manual or instructions and send them out lol.

 

[kimsix]

some are asking for 32-48 e-cores because ARL ecores are very good already, design by famous isreal team.

ARL problem is mainly in games because of the chiplet latency

Intel 200s cpu are very strong, just not good for games

 

[ragnarok95]

I am looking forward to see what Intel can do to salvage the situation, but if motherboard makers are trying to do some optimization, I rather they don't do it. So far, "optimization" by motherboard makers tends to mess with voltage and overclocking, which is not ideal. After all, they don't design the chip to understand the ins and outs of how it works, and so the only way they "optimize" it is by brute force.

ASrock knows what they are doing, hence i went with them. Anyway, intel fix should also carry thru bios update so it's alright.

 

[ragnarok95]

Intel 200s cpu are very strong, just not good for games

I can mod this forum better and faster with the 265K.

 

[R6exR6]

 

[philips107]

I can mod this forum better and faster with the 265K.

If you are using Anaconda/python/pandas/numpy, Intel CPUs are much faster than Ryzens.

This is because the default math library used by Anaconda for Linear Algebra is the Intel Math Kernel Library (MKL), which unsurprisingly is optimized for Intel CPUs.

 

[Phen8210]

i still thinking if i should invest in intc, or amd.. which one has potential to be multi trillion company?

 

[xiaofan]

i still thinking if i should invest in intc, or amd.. which one has potential to be multi trillion company?

Maybe neither one.

IMHO AVGO (Broadcom) and QCOM (Qualcomm) may have better chance to become a trillion company in the future.

AMD may have higher market value than Qualcomm now, but personally I feel Qualcomm has better potential down the road.

Not into stock market though, it is said 80% of the people are losing money.

 

[kimsix]

Its over for intel.
Can’t believe still Pat was forced out at the last stretch