Is it really over for Intel®?

Intel is ...

  • dead man walking, soon to be buried

    Votes: 58 50.9%
  • will bounce back, buyed Intc at $10 sure huat!

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for Intel hooters, naked cudimm, best for own heatsinking!

32gb per rank, 64gb per dimm also!

at amazon de, becareful of hwz links hijack :o

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0DSJMWLMC

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that looks like DR ram don't think it goes very far with OC

It seems ARL needs around 9200C38 with lots of tuning to get around 65ns in AIDA. Even then it remains quite a bit behind. The ram I bought for my AM5 8400C40 (non CUDIMM) can most likely go 9000-9133 G2 on ARL assuming a good CPU with IMC and 2dimm motherboard Z890 Apex/Unify X/OCF.
 

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that looks like DR ram don't think it goes very far with OC

It seems ARL needs around 9200C38 with lots of tuning to get around 65ns in AIDA. Even then it remains quite a bit behind. The ram I bought for my AM5 8400C40 (non CUDIMM) can most likely go 9000-9133 G2 on ARL assuming a good CPU with IMC and 2dimm motherboard Z890 Apex/Unify X/OCF.

maybe ckd will help DR...
you can buyed 2x32gb or 2x64gb now! AI needs many ram.

buy and feedback! I realise now, naked DDR5 are best! tiagong this heatsink quite good for fan, even if aluminium and not oversized looks

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...RagzXH0x&utparam-url=scene:search|query_from:
 

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buy and feedback! I realise now, naked DDR5 are best! tiagong this heatsink quite good for fan, even if aluminium and not oversized looks

Users like @matique ,@elmariachi ,and previously sifu's like @hlots123 have been telling our risk averse HWCers this point. It's not that scary.

Module house RAMs, apart from top bin are already binned for the upper limit of how much with the RAMs would OC. Take the example of some G.Skill FlareX with heat sinks changed to nickel plated copper Icemans I sampled, they would only GSAT 7600-7800 C36 close to 1.6V, PMIC 60C Z690I Unify.

If you look closely at the silkscreen prints on the DDR ICs, they're things like 4800V, MHBD (Hynixs demarcated MHBD is not a JEDEC officially rated speed downbins etc used. These module houses have to make money. This applies to all vendors.

Then again on Hynix greens or Klevv blacks with unlocked PMICs they are pretty much guaranteed something like 7800+ C34 GSAT @~ 60C PMIC with both eyes closed per investigative posts available on hwluxx DDR5 thread. Proper MGBDs used with ratings of something like 5600MHz 95C JEDEC (I don't remember the correct number at the back of my head) than a de-rate to 75C.
With a Z790 Apex, the former are possibly 8400 C36 without the help of a CKD.

I'd say more of the DRAM RMAs around are mostly SPD corruption (RGB RAMs) or MB handshake'd timings being too aggressive (aka MB/user issue) than RAMs and incidentally when mixed production RAMs swapped to a different IC gets sent as an RMA replacement, RAM problems are solved incidentally.

Start buying Klevv black value RAMs or Hynix greens if you're not risk averse and will like to pay less of better performance.
 

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Users like @matique ,@elmariachi ,and previously sifu's like @hlots123 have been telling our risk averse HWCers this point. It's not that scary.

Module house RAMs, apart from top bin are already binned for the upper limit of how much with the RAMs would OC. Take the example of some G.Skill FlareX with heat sinks changed to nickel plated copper Icemans I sampled, they would only GSAT 7600-7800 C36 close to 1.6V, PMIC 60C Z690I Unify.

If you look closely at the silkscreen prints on the DDR ICs, they're things like 4800V, MHBD (Hynixs demarcated MHBD is not a JEDEC officially rated speed downbins etc used. These module houses have to make money. This applies to all vendors.

Then again on Hynix greens or Klevv blacks with unlocked PMICs they are pretty much guaranteed something like 7800+ C34 GSAT @~ 60C PMIC with both eyes closed per investigative posts available on hwluxx DDR5 thread. Proper MGBDs used with ratings of something like 5600MHz 95C JEDEC (I don't remember the correct number at the back of my head) than a de-rate to 75C.
With a Z790 Apex, the former are possibly 8400 C36 without the help of a CKD.

I'd say more of the DRAM RMAs around are mostly SPD corruption (RGB RAMs) or MB handshake'd timings being too aggressive (aka MB/user issue) than RAMs and incidentally when mixed production RAMs swapped to a different IC gets sent as an RMA replacement, RAM problems are solved incidentally.

Start buying Klevv black value RAMs or Hynix greens if you're not risk averse and will like to pay less of better performance.

Just to add on, make sure your board has PMIC unlock capability...

Hynix greensticks:
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?abbucket=10&id=701242863188

Klevv blacksticks:
https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?abbucket=10&id=765239913935&sku_properties=122216412:196178342

But klevv also has their usual heatsink ram at almost same prices:
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?abbucket=10&id=853800217961

I think these are for folks who know how to tune their own memory, instead of going XMP. Nothing wrong with that, since ram testing takes a long time while some just want a validated XMP profile to just work. But like Encrypted said, these bare stick ram kits usually perform quite well! Personal MSI Edge ITX i can push them 8200c34 and on z790 apex they can be pushed 8600c36 or so. On AMD, i got 6400c28 and 8200c32 on them on x670 gene.
 

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I've been messaging shops regarding 285K and mobo combo. It would appear that they're trying their best to price gouge me giving me prices $100 above their price list pdf haha.

Reading at Overclock.net Asrock Z890 Taichi OC Formula seems to be the best board and then ROG Apex and MEG Unify-X are tied. The Z890i Nova is also a good board but its ITX and has too little connectivities for my usage.

I've been using ASUS for majority of my PC venture, its sad they choose to cheap out on ROG Apex and yet again not add a backplate. If I recall correctly there was quite a bit of drama regarding Z790 Apex boards that were shipped pre-bent.

I might just have to wait and see.
 

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I've been messaging shops regarding 285K and mobo combo. It would appear that they're trying their best to price gouge me giving me prices $100 above their price list pdf haha.

Reading at Overclock.net Asrock Z890 Taichi OC Formula seems to be the best board and then ROG Apex and MEG Unify-X are tied. The Z890i Nova is also a good board but its ITX and has too little connectivities for my usage.

I've been using ASUS for majority of my PC venture, its sad they choose to cheap out on ROG Apex and yet again not add a backplate. If I recall correctly there was quite a bit of drama regarding Z790 Apex boards that were shipped pre-bent.

I might just have to wait and see.

why not just buyed 5090 and custom watercool it. more worth it.

tuning ARL like too much effort for too little returns. :o
 

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why not just buyed 5090 and custom watercool it. more worth it.

tuning ARL like too much effort for too little returns. :o
Already put down deposit for 5090 but I think all the cards are power limited at 600w even the top end ASUS cards, water cooling probably gives it a few more steps in boost thats all no?

Ya ARL has no up clear upsides for me given I already run a 9800X3D, its just for scratching the itch of tinkering with something. Maybe, maybe if things are tuned the way they are games like CIvilization 7 285k will beat 9800X3D for raw compute parts of the game such as processing turns :ROFLMAO:

Anyway looked at X870E Apex and it has a backplate, why doesn't the Z890 model have it :mad:
 

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Already put down deposit for 5090 but I think all the cards are power limited at 600w even the top end ASUS cards, water cooling probably gives it a few more steps in boost thats all no?

Ya ARL has no up clear upsides for me given I already run a 9800X3D, its just for scratching the itch of tinkering with something. Maybe, maybe if things are tuned the way they are games like CIvilization 7 285k will beat 9800X3D for raw compute parts of the game such as processing turns :ROFLMAO:

Anyway looked at X870E Apex and it has a backplate, why doesn't the Z890 model have it :mad:

just buy. Just use…. 5090 with heatkiller reference waterblock and mora setup :o

Can be reused for longevity. Gpu vram temps should drop at least 20c, and can avoid throttling and heavy gpu sag now that tgp is 575w!
 

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anyone having issues running 4 sticks with XMP ?
can't seem to get mine to boot. :(
 

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just buy. Just use…. 5090 with heatkiller reference waterblock and mora setup :o

Can be reused for longevity. Gpu vram temps should drop at least 20c, and can avoid throttling and heavy gpu sag now that tgp is 575w!
ah yes yes water block mora setup and then the next thing I need is to delid and direct die cooling on the CPUs right
 
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