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Some of my friends left Bunka cos they felt that they weren't improving in conversation. But that doesn't mean Bunka is bad. I guess it all boils down to personal effort.. How to seek ways to improve yourself....

Absolutely agree with you on this one. I'm staying as long as I have to since I have no other alternatives. Of course, as you have said it, I must put in more effort if I really want to become better.

I think I can see that smile on sensei's face. Hehe, how he'd always tease us by saying, thank you for studying Japanese with us, so he can get paid for teaching and splurge on his desires. 畜生!

Cheers.
 

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I have been to a lot of schools, and i can tell you that the head trainer, Mizusaki sensei is a good teacher. She's overworked and having high blood pressure? and i am surprised by the amount of words that a PA3 student know.... That's y i can understand the frustration that azu-san has.
 

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Absolutely agree with you on this one. I'm staying as long as I have to since I have no other alternatives. Of course, as you have said it, I must put in more effort if I really want to become better.
Cheers.

The teacher can be very good, but if the student feels that he/she will can only study during that 2-3 hours he/she is with the teacher, that mindset is totally wrong.

Personal Effort!!!
 

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I noticed my sensei notes down what interest each student has. i guess this is so that she will know what to talk to the student? not sure.

I'm quite glad I joined Bunka though, my weakest point is conversation and I have a hard time trying to speak properly. :S Better start revising again for my class later.
 

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I have been to a lot of schools, and i can tell you that the head trainer, Mizusaki sensei is a good teacher. She's overworked and having high blood pressure? and i am surprised by the amount of words that a PA3 student know.... That's y i can understand the frustration that azu-san has.

Hi, have been lurking around.
Dimitri_can, can i check what is the topics for pre-advanced class taught in bunka?
i m seriously trying to improve my conversational skills....>_<""

have you heard of aoba language school? saw that they have introduced a new intermediate conversational japanese course.

Thanks!
 

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I know Mizusaki sensei print materials from this textbook to teach. :D

http://www.amazon.co.jp/ロールプレイで学ぶ中級...=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256913916&sr=8-6

She goes around asking asking each person 1 by 1, if u can't speak up, u miss ur turn, then it's next to the next person. No electronic dictionaries or normal dictionaries allowed.

Maybe azu-san can give more information.

I know Aoba Language School and know what textbook they use.

I have heard good things about Aoba Language school and the materials they used after JLPT 3 are directly imported from Japan , i.e can't buy the textbooks here in Singapore, not even from Amazon.JP

I managed to get a copy of their textbooks when i was shopping in Kinokuniya in Shinjuku
 
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wow, azumangadaioh sounded pissed? hmmm...

of cos i know money dun fall from sky =.= i not those lucky ppl born with it or have parents to sponsor wat-so-ever, which is all the more impt to find the right sch so tt i wont waste my hard earned money right? which is y i m asking so many questions...

well, as for my frens, i seldom see them, just happen to know they attending lessons there, not nice to bug ppl during pre-exam period oso. most prob they cant be bothered with me oso ><

i know private schs but was thinking maybe some would try to class those ard same age grp together to facilitate teaching mah, diff age ppl learn at diff speed. so was jus wondering if they class the ppl.

I am not pissed leh, neither am I mocking at you about asking so many questions. After getting so much information, there will come a point where you have to step up out there and take action. Rather than, sit in the comfort of keying questions in front of a pc over and over, get out there and take action. Human beings are usually hesitant when confronted with great changes, whether real or perceived, especially when it involve money. If I were you, I would make a list of questions I want to know [ after making notes from here ], pop by each school and ask the staff about the finer details.

They are paid to answer queries, it doesn't cost you any money to ask them, and you can always walk away with your money still inside your pocket. Go out there and see the real thing, instead of imagining stuff based on what we told you [ which may be biased ]. The final outcome is based on your own decision making after weighing all elements fused with your own input, not solely on our comments.

Take action ! Most people do not like what is going on with their lives, but did nothing only because they fear change, don't like to make sacrifices, risk averse to losses, or too comfortable to take action.
 

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Even in normal English or Mandarin conversations, I have nothing really much to talk about. I guess all I ever talk about are stuffs which are IT, anime, manga, games, are topics sensei is not really strong or interested in discussing. I guess many won't. Where can we find an otaku sensei? lol

I guess it's more of a personality issue rather than performance ability. It's like going to an oral exam like in primary school days, where the examiner gives you a picture of a scenery with people doing various activities, then asking you to make up a story that involves these people and talking about the relationship to each other. Those that are more imaginative, vocal and pay attention to detail will obviously score more [ does not matter if they are interested in the topic in the first place, objective is to score ].

As much as I like certain sub-cultures, I need to get my priorities right. What's my goal ? Spend money to talk about my interest which I can indulge elsewhere, or figure out how to string sentences and interact with sensei ?

What's your objective ? [ Sorry for being blunt, but I found sometimes it works by getting people to stop and think about issues ]
 

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I noticed my sensei notes down what interest each student has. i guess this is so that she will know what to talk to the student? not sure.

I'm quite glad I joined Bunka though, my weakest point is conversation and I have a hard time trying to speak properly. :S Better start revising again for my class later.

Which level are you currently at ? Conversation is everyone's bugbear, so we have to work more on it...
 

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Haha, that must be you the last time. That's why self-study is very important like what ah-keong said.

That's why, Sakura san, u must be able to substantiate your interest, should u decide to study Japanese.

Ya. That was me exactly. That's why I woke up with a "new reality" in my head [ after many embarrassing times during lessons, and I'm sure some motivated classmates were definitely sliently pissed at me too ] and joined Bunka while my course [ also learning Japanese ] was half way through last time, and nothing beats the feeling knowing how your classmates [ at the previous school ] were amazed at your jump in improvement over a few lessons [ while attending Bunka at the same time ].

And it's "Asakura" not "Sakura"... Sorry I kaypoh...
 
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She goes around asking asking each person 1 by 1, if u can't speak up, u miss ur turn, then it's next to the next person. No electronic dictionaries or normal dictionaries allowed.

HARD FACTS

Max students per class = 12 [ or is it 14 ? ], total time per lesson = 1.5hours or 90mins.

So 90 / 12 = 7min 30secs per student [ 6min 25secs if 14 people ]. Even if assuming sensei does not give lectures [ where everyone just listens ], you only get 7.5mins for yourself. So if the person "cannot perform on cue", then it's better to move on to the next person quickly rather than waste time and deprive those behind of their lesson time.

To those starting out in Pre-Advanced 1, must realise, you only get 1 lesson per week, only 7.5mins for your chance to show your stuff to sensei, unless your classmates are a shy lot [ you talk they listen ], you need to compete for sensei's attention, since there are 13 other people he / she has to attend to other than you. Otherwise, will get stuck in PA1 for a long time...
 

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Ya. That was me exactly. That's why I woke up with a "new reality" in my head [ after many embarrassing times during lessons, and I'm sure some motivated classmates were definitely sliently pissed at me too ] and joined Bunka while my course [ also learning Japanese ] was half way through last time, and nothing beats the feeling knowing how your classmates [ at the previous school ] were amazed at your jump in improvement over a few lessons [ while attending Bunka at the same time ].

And it's "Asakura" not "Sakura"... Sorry I kaypoh...
actually, u can't compare, becos ur ex-classmates were from Cambridge right? :D
 

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I'm only at ele 1! I'm already having serious problems. I'm quite worried.

relax, u need a sparring partner to brush up your japanese conversation...

azumangadaioh can be one good mentor by judging from the passion and interest! :D
 

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35 days to JLPT..

are u ready! :D

Wah...1 more month to go...can't wait :s13:

Btw, last fri was fun. The japanese students were so friendly and love to take photos :D I was so nervous coz I was given a chance by my sensei to become one of the emcees for the closing ceremony..all in all, it was a very enriching experience :s12:

Ahkeong san, you have friends taking japanese mod in NUS izzit?
 

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haha. thz for the clarification. yup is Asakura, not Sakura. haha. alot of ppl cannot see the "a" in front leh. dunnoe y.. lolx.. if they tot is decor like the "x", then shldnt it be "sakur"? hmmm... hahaha...

i know shld go to the schs n check them out personally, but i haven got time to do so yet cos preparing for exams lately n i only decided to embark on the course recently... will def do so after my exams n overseas trip b4 i decide which sch to go. haha. in the mean time, feel free to give me more advice on those schs, or pm me oso can. haha.

maybe i shld find a job 1st b4 i sign the course. hahaha. else i jobless cant support the course oso. lolx..
 

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I'm only at ele 1! I'm already having serious problems. I'm quite worried.

Ele1 only...But 2 things you need to focus on for speaking.

- Make sure you speak the words like how they are meant to be pronounced, not with local accent, because once you mess this up at this point of time when you are first learning, it can be very difficult / near impossible to fix later [ may even have to get a voice coach for help ], when all Japanese that comes up of your mouth sounds like Singlish form of Japanese. E.g. I have a friend that always speaks ここ [ this place ] as Coco [ up-down tone ], like the name of that singer or the chocolate drink, instead of the correct down-up tone [ like the way Cantonese say kor-kor for elder brother, same down-up tone ].

- Practise speaking fast, use the dialogue practise exercises found in your textbook to speak as quickly as you can for ANY sentence WITHOUT pausing, no drooling of saliva, no "saliva spraying", no pauses, no sudden breathing of air in the middle of speaking a sentence, and CORRECTLY. You will also find it harder when you attempt to read to someone in front of you.

Remember that speaking is a different [ physical + mental ] skill from studying [ mental ], as it involves various parts of the mouth, the physiological make-up, muscles around the jawbone and inside the mouth [ and the tongue is a muscle too ], airway, breathing, and have to think in order the string the words coming out of your mouth in coherent order.

So have fun !
 
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haha. thz for the clarification. yup is Asakura, not Sakura. haha. alot of ppl cannot see the "a" in front leh. dunnoe y.. lolx.. if they tot is decor like the "x", then shldnt it be "sakur"? hmmm... hahaha...

i know shld go to the schs n check them out personally, but i haven got time to do so yet cos preparing for exams lately n i only decided to embark on the course recently... will def do so after my exams n overseas trip b4 i decide which sch to go. haha. in the mean time, feel free to give me more advice on those schs, or pm me oso can. haha.

maybe i shld find a job 1st b4 i sign the course. hahaha. else i jobless cant support the course oso. lolx..

Our brains have blind spots when trying to recognise patterns quickly when they have seen something similar before...

Maybe can spare 3-4hours and check them out before your trip, and take the time to consider while in overseas, by the time you come back you are ready to start immediately...
 
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