LG G6

[batboyz]

I think alot of people don't know

but is still crappy lah... what u need to pump up iso and lower shutter speed...

what? u need a tripod ?

might as well get mirrorless camera

i think the above example of the firework is one of the shitty example of this camera


once I bought the g6.... I really curse..... the G4 is so much better

The other way around. Not everytime will need a tripod, depends on condition. As you said, just get mirrorless cam then, don't bother with G6 cam, throw it away, get something which you think got better cam, don't waste time to curse. G6 is a manual camera device, not auto. If you want auto, you chose a wrong device, should use same song or pixel instead.

 

[alamakazim]

The other way around. Not everytime will need a tripod, depends on condition. As you said, just get mirrorless cam then, don't bother with G6 cam, throw it away, get something which you think got better cam, don't waste time to curse. G6 is a manual camera device, not auto. If you want auto, you chose a wrong device, should use same song or pixel instead.

What manual bullshiiit...

This is just a normal general consumer smartphone

Cant take good selfies indoor...

The wide angle lens is abit too wide or should i say wrongly placed... Eg. Finger always appear on bottom of photo

The sound is good thats all

 

[OddEye]

Wah someone has been testing G6 camera to the max. Actually I do think it is pretty poor in high contrast light settings in Auto. Not sure about the manual as I rarely play with manual

 

[kopi22]

What manual bullshiiit...

This is just a normal general consumer smartphone

Cant take good selfies indoor...

The wide angle lens is abit too wide or should i say wrongly placed... Eg. Finger always appear on bottom of photo

The sound is good thats all

Ok la. Samsung placed the fingerprint sensor too wrong as well but people are still forgiving. BTW how dark are the lowlight conditions?? Normal places with street lights or dark caves kind?? If caves kind of places tripod is required for sure. If street light conditions I'm sure G6 camera can handle.

I took these using V20 during the night. No tripod. Handheld but adjusted ISO and shutter speed by a bit.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskTxQWc7

Sent from LGE LG-H990 using GAGT

 

[chiaRH]

What manual bullshiiit...

This is just a normal general consumer smartphone

Cant take good selfies indoor...

Like you said it s a 'normal general consumer phone', if you want "good" indoor selfie get a real camera and use it to take the selfie

Wah someone has been testing G6 camera to the max. Actually I do think it is pretty poor in high contrast light settings in Auto. Not sure about the manual as I rarely play with manual

IMO high contrast scenes will challenge every phone simply cos the small sensor wont be able to have good dynamic range. Thats why tricks like HDR come into play. Some phones like huawei ones try to use dual cam to improve dynamic range.


@kopi22 I wish the G6 had the V20's camera, but I think now with LG marketing the V series as the true flagship, the best camera hardware is gonna be reserved for V while the G merely gets 'similar software controls'. I dont really like phablets cos I use phones one-handed a lot, but size aside I prefer the V series to the G. Man when that V34 in japan came out i really wish it were international cos it was practically my dream LG phone

 

[batboyz]

What manual bullshiiit...

This is just a normal general consumer smartphone

As you suggested yourself, get a real camera, don't use G6 camera. I would suggest to throw it away in longkang. End of story, the end.

Cant take good selfies indoor...

Yes, its selfie came sux balls, don't use it. I don't use its selfie cam either. I use rear cam for selfie with my children.

The wide angle lens is abit too wide or should i say wrongly placed... Eg. Finger always appear on bottom of photo

This is user issue, since I don't encounter such issue.

If one doesn't like something, they can come up with hundreds/thousands of reasons to say it sucks. There is only one simple solution to that problem, throw it away to the sea, walk away, buy a new device you like, move on. The end.

 

[kopi22]

Woah.... relax guys.... hahaha..... Everyone has their own opinions. No need to get so tensed up.

Just be cool, or it will ended up named as a "troll" just like how I was being called over at the HTC forum because I posted a vid of U11 with the fragile body.....

 

[batboyz]

It's liddat. When someone likes something, they will say others who don't like or mentioned something bad about it, as troll.

Regarding U11, it's fragile in certain sense, but at least not as keropok as N6P or many other xiaomi devices.

 

[kennyboy]

Any nice genuine leather case for the LG G6?

Like this?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Pie...id=19d5e0a7-bb96-415a-adae-3daa254309fd&tpp=1

 

[Firefly01]

I'm still hoping for the G6 plus to be released locally. Currently on a G4 and my contract expires next month, but to be honest nothing on the market now seems worth signing another 2 years contract for. Maybe I'll just switch to a sim only no contract plan.

 

[mds8080]

I just bought the G6 after using the G4 for 2 years. So much better in many ways but strangely the speaker doesn't seem to be as loud or solid sounding. Battery life is amazing. I charged to 100% at 10pm and left it on overnight. Still using it the next day at until evening. Seems very promising.

 

[kiryu86]

So went to NDP rehearsal today, took position near promontory, just across the road from marina bay financial centre. Similar to last year, using ND 8 filter.

Wide Lens at ISO 50,10s
http://i.imgur.com/NhjAFTS.jpg


Normal Lens at ISO50, 8s
http://i.imgur.com/6UTChU6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/A5ftNnR.jpg


All my shots with the wide lens were sadly underexposed. That f/2.2 aperture is indeed bad for low light


And for comparison the G4 at last year NDP rehearsal
http://i.imgur.com/6KK3IuU.jpg


I... have to say I am disappointed with the G6 here, specifically its image processing.

http://i.imgur.com/IvTvlAc.jpg
See the white 'core' of the firework streaks? Its not a smooth white but theres so much processing artifacts

compare with G4
http://i.imgur.com/L2I6EW0.jpg

100% crop of another G6 shot

Here I'm starting to think LG really made a big mistake by using a smaller sensor and trying to compensate with too much processing.

Now here's the part I do not know: is it only an issue with the Stock app, or is it the raw sensor processing itself? The only other app I can use to take long exposures right now is Open Camera (provided I use manual focus and not autofocus) and its not so easy to test this out.

EDIT:
I think based on my wide angle shots, its a bit hard to tell but they dont seem to have the same artifact problem as the normal lens, not sure could it really be the normal camera's signal processing is having issues.

I have done a practical experiment to examine the camera behaviour:

#1. In dark room, display a long exposure of a fireworks on my monitor, then take a long exposure of it, I used this pic
http://www.9hdw.com/uploads/images/original/2013-05/871_yellow firework.jpg

#2. Play a youtube video of fireworks, then take a long exposure of the youtube video (this will show how the camera handles 'light painting' of bright objects in motion) I used this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTHkM5ZIBHk#t=36.175281

How my G6 handled the experiment (I shot using the same ISO 50, same 8s shutter and with the ND filter attached):

Static fireworks image: http://i.imgur.com/aHfDRzT.jpg

Fireworks video: http://i.imgur.com/Q5CnmNy.jpg

Look at the white portions of both photos. The static image looks fine. The long exposure of the video clip exhibits the same artifacting on the white portions. And yes it happens on all camera apps so definitely not a stock app issue.

I believe theres a threshold somewhere whereby if the shutter speed is too long, this kind of problem crops up (remember it only affects stuff in motion so bright things like car tail lights or fireworks). I tried the video thing again and even 4s exposures hit the issue.

aiyah... take fireworks in motion in night somemore, i expected the camera to fail at this liao, phone camera are meant for shoot and go type, like taking food pictures and stationary bright scenery picture or some simple selfie/wefie.

wan to take night motion picture, i wont expect much from it. they can claim their camera ish what is what, with all the fancy modern technology name, if it doest perform it doest, creating new fancy name to wayang their camera alot oso no use.

best is to just get yaself proper camera to take such shots.

 

[chiaRH]

aiyah... take fireworks in motion in night somemore, i expected the camera to fail at this liao, phone camera are meant for shoot and go type, like taking food pictures and stationary bright scenery picture or some simple selfie/wefie.

i already mention its very likely a post processing bug, because it only happen at certain ISO (50), and furthermore it doesnt happen with the wide camera so actually all the shots I took with the wide camera turned out ok without processing artifacts.

please dont tell me what a phone camera is "meant for", it's my device so logically I decide how I want to make use of the device's capabilities.

its like samsung and the bixby button, you know how ppl who dont use bixby wanna remap the button to their own application? do you think it is appropriate to go up to them and say 'hey this button is meant for bixby, you shouldnt remap it'

best is to just get yaself proper camera to take such shots.

If the LG phone has manual mode camera, and ppl wanna use that mode, telling them they might as well get a proper camera, is like saying might as well get a proper TV to watch movies, cos movies on the phone screen are so small that cant appreciate the quality. Mind you i didnt ever say I want DSLR quality from a phone, I said I want the camera software to work properly.

 

[alamakazim]

I'm still hoping for the G6 plus to be released locally. Currently on a G4 and my contract expires next month, but to be honest nothing on the market now seems worth signing another 2 years contract for. Maybe I'll just switch to a sim only no contract plan.

really .... the G4 really still good... probably just do a complete wipe out

saturated smartphone market ... makers are just boosting dumb gimmicks, all of them not just LG

 

[deckcard]

theyre jpeg. i dont have lightroom and I think even if I did, the effort to manually process that many photos is too much for me and if I were willing to go that far, would already be using a proper DSLR.

Im still doing further tests via the 'youtube video method' and it seems that at ISO 100 I cant see any noticeable artifacts on the white regions, who knows, it could be an issue with the way the phone does ISO50

Actually this method of taking a long exposure of a fireworks video in a dark room is a good way to trial and error your shutter speed to see how much of a firework burst you want to capture. However It's not a good way to gauge exposure since monitors wouldnt have the same brightness as a real firework.

In the DSLR world, it's known that iso50 or 80 are software simulated so it's not surprising this happened on phone cams. I'd still try it in RAW to see how the same pics turn out to know the limitations on LG post processing

 

[Bryson]

Oh my god. Been using with a case since day 1.. Spigen slim armor. The camera glass got a tiny scratch now. I thought it's gorilla glass 4 for the camera glass?

 

[batboyz]

Speaking of raw image, I have an issue with the raw image produced by LG stock cam. It's only 1MP image with 1040x780 resolution, size was around 17.80MB. While using FV5, it's able to produce the full 13MP resolution 4144x3104, size was around 24.78.

I am not sure if I am the only one having this issue, but seems like it's LG stock cam issue, because I also tried with ProShot previously which was able to capture the full resolution for raw image as well.

 

[chiaRH]

In the DSLR world, it's known that iso50 or 80 are software simulated so it's not surprising this happened on phone cams. I'd still try it in RAW to see how the same pics turn out to know the limitations on LG post processing

without lightroom or some software i dont know how much i can make use of raw



examining at my ISO50 shot again
Normal camera
https://i.imgur.com/KlGHKi9.jpg

Wide camera
https://i.imgur.com/NhjAFTS.jpg

does anyone find it peculiar that in the normal camera, the reflections of the fireworks in the water seem to be way sharper than what should normally be expected from a slow shutter? i thought slow shutter would blur water reflections and indeed all other static objects have smooth water reflections in the pic. In the wide camera, it looks all smooth.

im probably splitting hairs at this point trying to 'diagnose' this so maybe i'll try and ask the service centre if they know anything

 

[pustefix]

does anyone find it peculiar that in the normal camera, the reflections of the fireworks in the water seem to be way sharper than what should normally be expected from a slow shutter? i thought slow shutter would blur water reflections and indeed all other static objects have smooth water reflections in the pic. In the wide camera, it looks all smooth.

I think it has to do with the fireworks only appearing for a split second. The sharp reflection is due to the lower fireworks, since they only appear for a while and most of the time it is dark, the reflection will be sharp. For other static objects and wide angle shot, the light source is on for a longer period of time and hence with water movement, it will appear smooth.

 

[chiaRH]

I think it has to do with the fireworks only appearing for a split second.

ya i guess youre probably right, it just looked a bit weird to me at first cos none of the wide angle shots had that kind of sharp reflection


anyway since we dont have the privilege of daily fireworks I finally went to test the ISO 50 issue again in real life by photographing a lamp post at night with 4s shutter speed and moving the phone deliberately to make a 'light painting effect', sure enough the issue is reproducible (artifacts on the bright white parts of the lamp post's motion path, while using higher ISO dont suffer this problem)