[Maylyn - Networking] ASUS ZenWiFi XT8

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Make sure ethernet backhaul mode on ax6000 is turn on, and both ax6000 and xt8 are on same firmwate, ie, 388.23285.

Check the system log file for clues if disconnect again.

I have the same issue, but on my XD6. I'm in the middle of discussion with ASUS sg to see if an exchange to another model can be made. Very frustrating issue.


Logically, I will update the node over wire then followed by the router. Since you might loss the internet connection while updating the router or problem connecting the node back to the router (main node) after the update. You do need to ensure both appliances are on the same firmware.

Personally I find Merlin firmware to be more stable than Asus‘s own firmware but not as fast (current) when it comes to new features.​


Currently, I'm on ethernet backhaul from the start, yet the nodes continue to drop connection.

Before moving over to the Merlin firmware, I'm trying out the previous Asus firmware as I recalled the network was more stable prior to the upgrade. So far, the nodes seem to be able to re-connect back shortly on its own after it drops. Not perfect but the issue seems to improve marginally.

Anyway, thanks for the advice and I'm keeping the Merlin option open. The process will be to update all the nodes with Merlin over wire first the router. In this case, do I need to re-set up the Aimesh or the network will simply resume the Aimesh network after the firmware flashing?
 

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Anyway, thanks for the advice and I'm keeping the Merlin option open. The process will be to update all the nodes with Merlin over wire first the router. In this case, do I need to re-set up the Aimesh or the network will simply resume the Aimesh network after the firmware flashing?

Logically, regardless of whether I have backed up the configuration (or not) from the previous (non-Merlin) firmware, I will reset and re-configure the settings all over again to prevent conflict of configuration when I’ve switched to Merlin.​
 

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Had the same issue (wireless backhaul stability was bad, nodes kept dropping, scheduled daily reboots didn't work.
Wired backhaul better but still happens now and then.
Merlin firmware seemed to be more stable.

In the end got an AX86 as main and used the XT8 as a node instead.
Accessing both Web GUI and App is much faster also (AX5400 as main also v fast compared to XT8).
The only thing i like abt XT8 is the small footprint.
 

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I have the same issue, but on my XD6. I'm in the middle of discussion with ASUS sg to see if an exchange to another model can be made. Very frustrating issue.

Hi gurus, Asus sg has offered an exchange for me for my XD6 which is suffering the same issues u guys face with zenwifi.

1. RT- AX86U Pro – 1 to 1 exchange, no top-up required.
2. RT-AX88U – End of Life (No more available)
3. ZenWifi XT8 - $170

Do you guys think it's worthy for me to switch to Ax86u pro? I think the rrp for XD6 is higher than ax86u pro, but a way older model. I'm staying in a 3rm bto, so coverage should be sufficient enough without a mesh?
 

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Hi gurus, Asus sg has offered an exchange for me for my XD6 which is suffering the same issues u guys face with zenwifi.

1. RT- AX86U Pro – 1 to 1 exchange, no top-up required.
2. RT-AX88U – End of Life (No more available)
3. ZenWifi XT8 - $170

Do you guys think it's worthy for me to switch to Ax86u pro? I think the rrp for XD6 is higher than ax86u pro, but a way older model. I'm staying in a 3rm bto, so coverage should be sufficient enough without a mesh?
AX86U Pro is very new to SG market, retailing at $400+ at Challenger (the non Pro is the old one)

Meanwhile XT8 can be found on carousell at $300-$350 for 1 piece

1 vote for AX86U Pro
 

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AX86U Pro is very new to SG market, retailing at $400+ at Challenger (the non Pro is the old one)
Meanwhile XT8 can be found on carousell at $300-$350 for 1 piece
1 vote for AX86U Pro

I went with the Ax86u pro, exchanged today. No more mesh issue since I'll just rely on this 1 x strong router :)
 

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So this XT8 router is super blacklist avoid like the plaque no buy?

My AC68u which was meshing with 2 Lyra Trio died.
Now hanging on with just the 2 Lyra Trio.
Was thinking of replacing all with 2 XT8, run Merlin with Skynet and Diversion on host unit.

Judging by all the bad reviews, I should not buy this XT8?
For the ZenWifi line only the super expensive XT12 is good?
 

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So this XT8 router is super blacklist avoid like the plaque no buy?

My AC68u which was meshing with 2 Lyra Trio died.
Now hanging on with just the 2 Lyra Trio.
Was thinking of replacing all with 2 XT8, run Merlin with Skynet and Diversion on host unit.

Judging by all the bad reviews, I should not buy this XT8?
For the ZenWifi line only the super expensive XT12 is good?
If you intend to run Merlin, should choose from their supported list
https://www.asuswrt-merlin.net/about
 

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So this XT8 router is super blacklist avoid like the plaque no buy?

My AC68u which was meshing with 2 Lyra Trio died.
Now hanging on with just the 2 Lyra Trio.
Was thinking of replacing all with 2 XT8, run Merlin with Skynet and Diversion on host unit.

Judging by all the bad reviews, I should not buy this XT8?
For the ZenWifi line only the super expensive XT12 is good?
I have one XT8 running as AiMesh node on wireless backhaul, the main node is a GT-AX6000. The XT8 is notorious for falling back to 2.4GHz backhaul easily. It works well only when you setup your network just right, which i have detailed in another post:
Post in thread 'New 10Gbps plan: Singtel, Starhub, MyRepublic and VQ' https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...rhub-myrepublic-and-vq.6930337/post-149194557

My take is if you don't want to fiddle around too much, go with XT12 or GT-AX11000 if you need to use wireless backhaul. If you can use wired instead, then the conventional choices of AX-58U, AX-86U/Pro and GT-AX6000 are good enough.
 

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Hmm better not waste money and time then.
Pity that the XT8 design looks good.

Target shift to AX-86U, if need mesh with old Lyra Trio.
Like the vertical standing format without gamer aesthetic.

Now AX-86U hard to find in stores?
 

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Hmm better not waste money and time then.
Pity that the XT8 design looks good.

Target shift to AX-86U, if need mesh with old Lyra Trio.
Like the vertical standing format without gamer aesthetic.

Now AX-86U hard to find in stores?
Ax86u PRO can be found at challenger nex
 

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I have one XT8 running as AiMesh node on wireless backhaul, the main node is a GT-AX6000. The XT8 is notorious for falling back to 2.4GHz backhaul easily. It works well only when you setup your network just right, which i have detailed in another post:
Post in thread 'New 10Gbps plan: Singtel, Starhub, MyRepublic and VQ' https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...rhub-myrepublic-and-vq.6930337/post-149194557

My take is if you don't want to fiddle around too much, go with XT12 or GT-AX11000 if you need to use wireless backhaul. If you can use wired instead, then the conventional choices of AX-58U, AX-86U/Pro and GT-AX6000 are good enough.
I am not sure if my guess is correct, but the rule of thumb is for Asus wireless backhaul AIMesh, always match 3 bands with 3 bands eg AX11000 and XT8. else if one of your AIMesh router is 2-bands, it may mess up easily.

I have a pair of XT8 and the 5Ghz-2 channel on both XT8 are always the "dedicated' wireless backhaul. I tried with XT8+XT8 , XT8 with AX92U, and even XT8 with AX88U.

For my case, I stick to a pair of XT8 for wireless backhaul since most of my devices at home at iphones and iPad. Not worth upgrading to XT12 as the additional wifi connection speed boast doesnt benefit my family usage.

Here's my house plan. i can get 800-900 mbps on my iphone connection standing 1-2 metres next to my living room XT8 and my bedroom wifi connection can easily get 500++ mbps. Pretty good enough for my family wifi usage.

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PS : You mentioned XT8 is notorious for falling back to 2.4ghz backhaul? In XT8, wireless backhaul channel is always dedicated to 5ghz-2 . There's no option in my XT8 for 2.4ghz to be the wireless backhaul unless........ you using "smart connect" which is a no-no.
 
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I am not sure if my guess is correct, but the rule of thumb is for Asus wireless backhaul AIMesh, always match 3 bands with 3 bands eg AX11000 and XT8. else if one of your AIMesh router is 2-bands, it may mess up easily.

I have a pair of XT8 and the 5Ghz-2 channel on both XT8 are always the "dedicated' wireless backhaul. I tried with XT8+XT8 , XT8 with AX92U, and even XT8 with AX88U.

For my case, I stick to a pair of XT8 for wireless backhaul since most of my devices at home at iphones and iPad. Not worth upgrading to XT12 as the additional wifi connection speed boast doesnt benefit my family usage.

Here's my house plan. i can get 800-900 mbps on my iphone connection standing 1-2 metres next to my living room XT8 and my bedroom wifi connection can easily get 500++ mbps. Pretty good enough for my family wifi usage.

ruIwaiE.png


PS : You mentioned XT8 is notorious for falling back to 2.4ghz backhaul? In XT8, wireless backhaul channel is always dedicated to 5ghz-2 . There's no option in my XT8 for 2.4ghz to be the wireless backhaul unless........ you using "smart connect" which is a no-no.
In Asus own words, tri-band AiMesh node will dedicate 5GHz-2 to backhaul only even if the main node is dual band only, the 5GHz-2 SSID will have "_dwb" suffix attached. Since one of the main selling points of AiMesh is to mix and match supported hardware.
https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1039646/
As for the backhaul switching to 2.4GHz problem, you can do a quick search in reddit and snbforum, there are dozens of threads that discussed about it. It's to the point that some users need to RMA their XT8 as even Asus deem them broken. And no, I never used smart connect as I want to separate my low bandwidth devices. True that you can't purposely choose to use 2.4GHz as backhaul, but once your 5GHz is screwed up it will automatically fall back to 2.4GHz (and it was pretty frequent in old firmware), which I have experienced countless times during my experiment with the 5GHz settings on GT-AX6000 using ssh terminal.
 

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PS : You mentioned XT8 is notorious for falling back to 2.4ghz backhaul? In XT8, wireless backhaul channel is always dedicated to 5ghz-2 . There's no option in my XT8 for 2.4ghz to be the wireless backhaul unless........ you using "smart connect" which is a no-no.
just showing it is possible to fall to 2.4GHz backhaul
Screenshot-2023-09-08-103734.png
 

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just showing it is possible to fall to 2.4GHz backhaul
Thanks, it shows even your 2.4Ghz wifi signal is also very very weak.

In Asus own words, tri-band AiMesh node will dedicate 5GHz-2 to backhaul only even if the main node is dual band only, the 5GHz-2 SSID will have "_dwb" suffix attached. Since one of the main selling points of AiMesh is to mix and match supported hardware.
https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1039646/
As for the backhaul switching to 2.4GHz problem, you can do a quick search in reddit and snbforum, there are dozens of threads that discussed about it. It's to the point that some users need to RMA their XT8 as even Asus deem them broken. And no, I never used smart connect as I want to separate my low bandwidth devices. True that you can't purposely choose to use 2.4GHz as backhaul, but once your 5GHz is screwed up it will automatically fall back to 2.4GHz (and it was pretty frequent in old firmware), which I have experienced countless times during my experiment with the 5GHz settings on GT-AX6000 using ssh terminal.

You can mix and match for sure but like i mentioned above, its recommended to match 3 bands with 3 bands. Your situation already prove what I said - mixing 3 bands with 2 bands AIMesh will screw up your setup.

I am not sure why you didnt get 2 XT8 initially but from your above AX6000 2.4Ghz signal, it shows only 1 bar.

To get to the root of your problem , I can only guess its a few possibilities

1) The 2 units of your XT8 and GT-AX6000 are too far away.

2) Your current setup is using GT-AX6000 as main node and XT8 as sub node. I feel having XT8 as main node should do much better since it has 3 bands and dedicated 5Ghz-2 for wireless backhaul. If XT8 is main, then its 5Ghz-2 will be used as the wireless backhaul band to communicate with your GT-AX6000.

Reason is simple , your whole AIMesh setup is not determined by XT8 but rather your GT-AX6000 deciding which band it uses as backhaul. XT8 as a secondary node will only communicate what the main nodes tell it to connect to.

Having the GT-AX6000 as secondary node in your bedroom, if LOS and position is not a issue, it should be using its 5Ghz band to communicate to main node XT8 5GHz-2.

You may want to try this setup and see if it makes any difference.
 

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Thanks, it shows even your 2.4Ghz wifi signal is also very very weak.



You can mix and match for sure but like i mentioned above, its recommended to match 3 bands with 3 bands. Your situation already prove what I said - mixing 3 bands with 2 bands AIMesh will screw up your setup.

I am not sure why you didnt get 2 XT8 initially but from your above AX6000 2.4Ghz signal, it shows only 1 bar.

To get to the root of your problem , I can only guess its a few possibilities

1) The 2 units of your XT8 and GT-AX6000 are too far away.

2) Your current setup is using GT-AX6000 as main node and XT8 as sub node. I feel having XT8 as main node should do much better since it has 3 bands and dedicated 5Ghz-2 for wireless backhaul. If XT8 is main, then its 5Ghz-2 will be used as the wireless backhaul band to communicate with your GT-AX6000.

Reason is simple , your whole AIMesh setup is not determined by XT8 but rather your GT-AX6000 deciding which band it uses as backhaul. XT8 as a secondary node will only communicate what the main nodes tell it to connect to.

Having the GT-AX6000 as secondary node in your bedroom, if LOS and position is not a issue, it should be using its 5Ghz band to communicate to main node XT8 5GHz-2.

You may want to try this setup and see if it makes any difference.

I want the XT8 to be the node since I want to utilize it's 5GHz-2 for backhaul only and no other devices will connect to it, with 5GHz-1 dedicated to my mobile devices (similar to dual band with wired backhaul), and it's working as I intended it to be. As you can see in the screenshot below, 5GHz-2 is used as the DWB (Dedicated Wireless Backhaul) to connect to the GT-AX6000 like the Asus article describes.

If I swap them around then GT-AX6000 (node) will not have a dedicated wireless backhaul to connect to the XT8 (router) , thus mixing up the signals of wireless backhaul and mobile devices. I want each band on the node to handle only 1 job.
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And no, the 2.4GHz 1/3 signal image does not mean the signal strength is bad. In the AiMesh page 2.4GHz = Weak signal and 5GHz = Strong signal (same for wired backhaul, 100Mbps = weak and 1Gbps = strong). I have also used the Asus Router app to check the signal strength. It fluctuates between -57dBm (room door opened) and -60 to -63dBm (room door closed). Signal strength is the same for both 2.4 and 5GHz backhaul.

https://www.screenbeam.com/wifihelp/wifibooster/wi-fi-signal-strength-what-is-a-good-signal/
I have also done some further testing using ssh terminal, all the while keeping the channel width to 20/40/80/160MHz in the WebGUI.
If I set the 5GHz on GT-AX6000 to be Channel 100 at 160MHz, either of the following will happen:
A) It reverts back to 80MHz, and XT8 will auto connect back to it after some time
B) The channel is changed to one of the conventional ones (36-64), and XT8 will fall back to 2.4GHz backhaul

A is not surprising since routers are extremely sensitive at 160MHz, any slight interference and it will fallback to a more stable setting. Also this channel is surprisingly clean with very few networks using (at least in my neighborhood).

B is related to Channel 116 which has always been problematic as weather radar are known to actively use this channel, thus choosing Channel 116 at 80MHz will lead to the same result as well. Also since the conventional channels are in use since the 802.11a in 1999, they are pretty congested by now.

So for my own setup a single XT8 working as a node with 5GH-2 used as the DWB, Channel 100 at 80MHz works the most stable. AiMesh GUI reports connected to the router node at 800Mbps-1.2Gbps. Real world speedtest with my Galaxy S23 gives 600+Mbps,compared to only 300+Mbps on a good day if I don't use AiMesh setup, and 800+Mbps if standing next to GT-AX6000.
 

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I want the XT8 to be the node since I want to utilize it's 5GHz-2 for backhaul only and no other devices will connect to it, with 5GHz-1 dedicated to my mobile devices (similar to dual band with wired backhaul), and it's working as I intended it to be. As you can see in the screenshot below, 5GHz-2 is used as the DWB (Dedicated Wireless Backhaul) to connect to the GT-AX6000 like the Asus article describes.

....channels are in use since the 802.11a in 1999, they are pretty congested by now.

So for my own setup a single XT8 working as a node with 5GH-2 used as the DWB, Channel 100 at 80MHz works the most stable. AiMesh GUI reports connected to the router node at 800Mbps-1.2Gbps. Real world speedtest with my Galaxy S23 gives 600+Mbps,compared to only 300+Mbps on a good day if I don't use AiMesh setup, and 800+Mbps if standing next to GT-AX6000.
that's a interesting finding about the 160Mhz channel .

Not sure about the positioning of your XT8 and GT-AX6000, the Transmit speed does look low. My 2 XT8 units across the house tranmits at quite good speed using its wireless backhaul . This is my XT8 secondary node (Living room to MBedroom) stats with closed door

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You probably need to read up more on 160mhz backhaul, as you seems not so clear on it. Fallback to 2.4ghz is normal since it is using dfs channels, which is prone to radar disruption. 5ghz penetration is only 1-2 walls, so inteference wise is not applicable to sg as we live in concrete or pre-fab walls. Interference only applies to 2.4ghz signal, or for 5ghz, ang mo country as their house some are 100% wooden, or half-concrete half wooden. The main problem in your setup is still radar disruption, due to the channel you chose.

https://dongknows.com/wi-fi-6-explained/
Just a bit more context, my GT-AX6000 is bought from Amazon DE, thus it's been locked out of Channel 149-177, which means there's no way for me to properly utilize 160MHz channel width unless I am going to fiddle with the nvram boot file (which is whole another topic).

And looking at WiFi analyzer these channels are used by at least 10 other APs around my home, mostly SingTel mesh system users (deduced from the SSID names). So even if I can access those channels I will still most likely avoid them. The conventional channels are a mess too, another 10+ APs and worse still there are AC APs in the mix.

On the contray there's only 1 AP on channel 100 (excluding me) and 2 APs on channel 132. Channel 116 is inaccessible as I said earlier since this is used by weather radar. Thus I settled with channel 100 at 80MHz.

And 5GHz interference can come in the form of your neighbour's AP, especially routers today keep advertising they can reach how far or can penetrate how many walls. It just mean they crank up the Tx power and thus will very easily reach the other apartment units (I can easily find 20+ neighbour's APs, and I am not even living in the newer denser HDB). Try switching to the busier channels in your area, your speed test result will suffer a little.
 

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that's a interesting finding about the 160Mhz channel .

Not sure about the positioning of your XT8 and GT-AX6000, the Transmit speed does look low. My 2 XT8 units across the house tranmits at quite good speed using its wireless backhaul . This is my XT8 secondary node (Living room to MBedroom) stats with closed door

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160MHz is always a PITA to play with. If it works it's great, but when it doesn't there's whole lot of factors that can make it not work. You can do a search in reddit and snbforum. That's why many rather stay at 80MHz to have a more stable WiFi performance.

Besides if you read the local regulations, realistically we can only achieve 160MHz at channel 36-64. Channel 100-128 is open to use, but as I said Channel 116-128 is being used by weather radar, so there's no way for civilian use. As for channel 149-177, IMDA has only approved 149-165 for WiFi usage. Might as well wait for WiFi 6E approval instead of fiddling with 5GHz 160MHz.

As for the backhaul speed I am fine with what I have since it's not direct LOS anyway. Those that connect to the node are all dual antenna devices so no pressing need for maximum speed.
 
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