MBBS in China

[kaixin18]

Yup but the reality is that these MBBS are not recognized by SMC. Only the direct masters and PhDs are recognized. But these programs are only open to mainland Chinese.

Taking the MBBS and then do a masters or PhD doesn't work either. You need a direct entry to the Masters or PhD programmes.

It is best to check with SMC before embarking.

Good luck!

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did u read this?
http://www.healthprofessionals.gov.... Registrable Basic Medical Qualifications.pdf

 

[starmerck]

did u read this?
http://www.healthprofessionals.gov.... Registrable Basic Medical Qualifications.pdf

"SMC only recognises the direct 7-year Master of Medicine and 8-year Doctor of Medicine awarded by Chinese medical schools for medical registration. The two qualifications are primary (basic) medical qualifications and they differ from the postgraduate training programmes or qualifications that are awarded in conjunction to or after the (common) Bachelor of Medicine."

Do you comprehend what this means?

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[cosycatus]

Starmeck, u do realise u are talking to an idiot right? Don't waste your time. Let him go waste a few years of his time.

 

[starmerck]

Starmeck, u do realise u are talking to an idiot right? Don't waste your time. Let him go waste a few years of his time.

I am beginning to think so.

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[kaixin18]

"SMC only recognises the direct 7-year Master of Medicine and 8-year Doctor of Medicine awarded by Chinese medical schools for medical registration. The two qualifications are primary (basic) medical qualifications and they differ from the postgraduate training programmes or qualifications that are awarded in conjunction to or after the (common) Bachelor of Medicine."

Do you comprehend what this means?

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ok so after i finish the basic course then i go do the second part in china then i can come back to SG to practice right? so why not?

 

[starmerck]

ok so after i finish the basic course then i go do the second part in china then i can come back to SG to practice right? so why not?

It's a direct program. Meaning to say that you only get one degree in either Masters of Medicine or Doctor of Medicine after 7 or 8 years. There is no first part or second part for this direct program.

Not a MBBS after 6 years of studies and then Master of Medicine after another 2 years. You will end up having two degrees and SMC doesn't recognize them.

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[Dark.Horizon]

Ts has to work in China for 3 years before given a temporary license to practise in Singapore. And after you get the temporary licence, you have to work another 3-5 years before you can specialize.

You will be wasting 3 years.

And all these 8 MBBS are direct masters and PhD programs catered ONLY to mainland Chinese.

What you are applying are the English ones which is only till MBBS and NOT recognized by SMC for conditional license.

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You can get a temp reg. if you want to practice in sg as far as I know, and gotta do the QE that NUS students do in year 4.

At least, that's what I'm told.

I'm considering China due to the lower fees. Probably will do the USMLEs or PLABs to practice abroad first before coming back to sg. Life as a jr. doc in sg is very bad compared to other countries.

 

[starmerck]

You can get a temp reg. if you want to practice in sg as far as I know, and gotta do the QE that NUS students do in year 4.

At least, that's what I'm told.

I'm considering China due to the lower fees. Probably will do the USMLEs or PLABs to practice abroad first before coming back to sg. Life as a jr. doc in sg is very bad compared to other countries.

Yes bro, you can get a temp registration but you need to complete a 1 year housemanship, get the China medical licence and worked for 3 years either in China or elsewhere before you can apply for temp reg. That is my understanding according to what is stated in the SMC website:

(C)

TEMPORARY REGISTRATION FOR SERVICE PROVISION

Doctors employed for service provision may be granted temporary medical registration for up to 24 months in the first instance, subject to their employment contract, conditions stipulated by SMC and the doctors' and institutions' compliance with SMC's supervisory framework. Their performance must be consistently good before they can extend their registration with SMC.

These doctors will not be eligible for conditional registration unless they acquire a registrable postgraduate medical qualification, obtain any of the diplomas listed under the Staff Registrar Scheme (SRS) recognised by SMC or fulfil such prevailing conditions as may be specified by SMC from time to time.

Conditionally registered doctors with SRS Diplomas would not be eligible to apply for full registration unless they have met SMC's prevailing requirements for full registration
Eligibility Requirements:

The doctor must:
a) be in active clinical practice1;
b) have a basic medical degree from an accredited medical university or medical school;
c) have passed the relevant national licensing examination in the country of conferment of basic degree, where applicable;
d) have evidence of at least 12 months housemanship / internship with a certificate of satisfactory completion of housemanship or equivalent;
e) have at least 3 years of post housemanship working experience as a medical officer (or equivalent) in the relevant field / specialty or possess a postgraduate medical qualification in the relevant field / specialty;
f) fulfil the English Language requirements of SMC
g) have been registered as a medical practitioner in the country where he is currently practising in;
h)

have been certified to be of good standing by the Medical Council or the relevant national authority.

1The doctor should be in active practice for the 3 years preceding the application for medical registration.(i.e. 168 hours during 3 years prior to the application).
Conditions for practice:

Doctors under temporary registration for service provision are required to work under the following conditions:-
a)
They will only be allowed to work in the departments where their clinical experience is relevant; and
b)
They cannot be rotated to any other departments and institutions unless approved by SMC; and
c)
They will be subject to L1 supervision throughout the first year of their temporary registration; and
d)
The appointed supervisor must submit assessment reports at regular intervals stipulated by the SMC. In addition, multi-rater assessments from fellow colleagues and peers may be conducted whenever directed by the SMC.

Source: http://www.healthprofessionals.gov....cal_practitioners/temporary_registration.html

I am not sure if the QE exams are still being conducted for IMGs as there has been no much news or online discussions about this. All graduates from the recognised list do not need to take QE exams and are given conditional reg.

It is best to check with SMC first as things have definitely changed with regards to mbbs from China. I have heard that the direct 7 or 8 years mbbs program only accepts mainland Chinese people and are not open to foreigners. This is saddening as your own country would limit her own citizens to enter these programs and pursue their dreams of becoming doctors. While mainland citizens can graduate from these programs and work in sg. So much for sinkies first.

 

[Dark.Horizon]

Yes bro, you can get a temp registration but you need to complete a 1 year housemanship, get the China medical licence and worked for 3 years either in China or elsewhere before you can apply for temp reg. That is my understanding according to what is stated in the SMC website:



Source: http://www.healthprofessionals.gov....cal_practitioners/temporary_registration.html

I am not sure if the QE exams are still being conducted for IMGs as there has been no much news or online discussions about this. All graduates from the recognised list do not need to take QE exams and are given conditional reg.

It is best to check with SMC first as things have definitely changed with regards to mbbs from China. I have heard that the direct 7 or 8 years mbbs program only accepts mainland Chinese people and are not open to foreigners. This is saddening as your own country would limit her own citizens to enter these programs and pursue their dreams of becoming doctors. While mainland citizens can graduate from these programs and work in sg. So much for sinkies first.

Yeah the one year is fine because its part of the mbbs progm after the 5 years. The 3 years is the problem when I emailed them they said you will be given a t reg provided you can get secured employment here.

Yup. Its not like im going china because im beh kan or what. I simply cant afford duke or uk/aus etc.

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[Dark.Horizon]

I guess the better option is to go US or UK with the usmles or plabs and settle abroad.

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[starmerck]

Yeah the one year is fine because its part of the mbbs progm after the 5 years. The 3 years is the problem when I emailed them they said you will be given a t reg provided you can get secured employment here.

Yup. Its not like im going china because im beh kan or what. I simply cant afford duke or uk/aus etc.

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Well since SMC accepts these mainland Chinese graduates working in sg, so the competency part should be there. It's the working in sg part that is more of a concern. Cos one need to work for 3 years before SMC will accept the t reg. So that's the dreading part.

Regarding seeking employment in sg, with new hospitals in the plan and also exodus of medical officers after serving bond, perhaps the demand for doctors in public sector is still strong. But with AEC, things will change.

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[starmerck]

I guess the better option is to go US or UK with the usmles or plabs and settle abroad.

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I guess it would be a more viable option. I heard that it is easier to find work in sg if you also get the specialisation overseas.

So US or UK can be good for overseas specialisation.

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[Dark.Horizon]

Well since SMC accepts these mainland Chinese graduates working in sg, so the competency part should be there. It's the working in sg part that is more of a concern. Cos one need to work for 3 years before SMC will accept the t reg. So that's the dreading part.

Regarding seeking employment in sg, with new hospitals in the plan and also exodus of medical officers after serving bond, perhaps the demand for doctors in public sector is still strong. But with AEC, things will change.

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Ya bro, its not worth the 3 years and the 5 to specialize. Also, jr doctors lives really suck hard in sg.

Are you familiar with any jobs that docs can do in sg without practicing. When i spoke to the agent, she said hospital management is a good job to consider

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[Dark.Horizon]

I guess it would be a more viable option. I heard that it is easier to find work in sg if you also get the specialisation overseas.

So US or UK can be good for overseas specialisation.

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Yeah! Specializing in sg is also damn hard. Was considering to go back to uk to practice once i grad.

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[starmerck]

Ya bro, its not worth the 3 years and the 5 to specialize. Also, jr doctors lives really suck hard in sg.

Are you familiar with any jobs that docs can do in sg without practicing. When i spoke to the agent, she said hospital management is a good job to consider

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Yeah bro.

I understand that insurance and pharmaceutical companies hire doctors. Then for pharma, it can be for management or research roles.

Yeah hospital management is possible but it still boils down to getting the experience at the end of the day. Running a hospital is definitely no easy feat. Especially with handling the egos of doctors and the shareholders.

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[starmerck]

Yeah! Specializing in sg is also damn hard. Was considering to go back to uk to practice once i grad.

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Yeah. Do you have a UK PR? It may be easier to do that. Though heard that PLAB is going to change to something like USMLE.

And USMLE is very selective

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[Dark.Horizon]

Yeah. Do you have a UK PR? It may be easier to do that. Though heard that PLAB is going to change to something like USMLE.

And USMLE is very selective

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Nope nothing. Im definitely facing a uphill task. What do you mean by selective? Wuhan and zhejiang has ties with us unis, so i might try to do some modules or interns there to get exposure.

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[starmerck]

Nope nothing. Im definitely facing a uphill task. What do you mean by selective? Wuhan and zhejiang has ties with us unis, so i might try to do some modules or interns there to get exposure.

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Selective means US citizens and PRs over foreigners for residency. Also it is easier to get residency if you have interned there.

Good to go there for internship so as to get some exposure

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[Dark.Horizon]

Selective means US citizens and PRs over foreigners for residency. Also it is easier to get residency if you have interned there.

Good to go there for internship so as to get some exposure

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Ya bro, will defo try all my luck! Lets keep in touch! Hahaha

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[starmerck]

Ya bro, will defo try all my luck! Lets keep in touch! Hahaha

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Yeah sure bro

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