Mid-Career Dilemma: Is Moving into Management the Only Way to Progress? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Spike]

Start your own company if you prefer to do it your way..

Or accept that every role has a salary ceiling, and that this is unlikely to change in the future.

 

[NintendoSwitch]

moi donts needs managers
nebers understands thes values ofs managers
the onlys values managers provides ishs pass messages

Dats why eunuchs were so powerful. They had the emperor's ear. They can ensure that certain messages never reach the decision maker. Or that fake info is passed off as real.

 

[NintendoSwitch]

sorry hor, when u promote u go into middle manager role, and thats where most companies are chopping now

Bosses also know that middle managers are just jobbers.

 

[tiffanydunk]

early 20s-30s I wanted the manager route. Post 30s I'm glad to be an IC.

 

[oncall-engineer]

Yes there are peopwho rejected a promotion because of this very issue.

The “promotion” was too much of a change. It is as good as changing 100% job scope. Like you got retrenched and forced into new role.

Instead of working on marketing design and media, it became a client-facing sales pitch role, days become flooded with meetings, managing up and down, internal and external.

The $300 increment didn’t justify the additional stress.

In my industry, it’s likely a 20-30% pay increment. Not $300.

 

[LPPLKPKB]

Yes, either you move forward or eventually kena retrench. In a competitive field, staying put is not an option.

 

[oncall-engineer]

Ask ex-directors or ex-managers driving grab now.

High level managers turned Full time self employed

 

[nujiln]

In my line of work there’s a ceiling to an IC’s career path and and compensation, so those that want to progress further must step into management roles.

The roles are distinct. Managers need to have sufficient domain knowledge, but the main job is to provide strategic oversight and guidance, build up the team, optimise resources and efforts, manage stakeholders, firefight and tank.

 

[oncall-engineer]

In my line of work there’s a ceiling to an IC’s career path and and compensation, so those that want to progress further must step into management roles.

The roles are distinct. Managers need to have sufficient domain knowledge, but the main job is to provide strategic oversight and guidance, build up the team, optimise resources and efforts, manage stakeholders, firefight and tank.

Most managers don’t firefight. Instead they run far away from fire or claim someone else started it.

 

[Milodrink]

Yes, either you move forward or eventually kena retrench. In a competitive field, staying put is not an option.

Can if your bazi tokong.

1) Boss love u deep deep.

2) In govt jobs.

 

[shodan99]

from my experience, as a IC have technical track to move into senior/staff roles. parallel management and technical tracks exists in big companies. regardless of technical or management track, both have elements of people management. in management, it is a mix of blending technical and people skill roles. in technical roles, incumbent may lead a complex technical project and have a few technical people reporting to him on technical related topics.

all in all, both also have elements of people management. Its just career progression. Worst is to remain stagnant doing the same thing year in year out. for one, this would be extremely boring; at least for me. secondly, you will be overtaken eventually by the others and at risk during "restructuring" exercises.

 

[selemuse]

I suggest choosing a skill-based path because that is where one can truly survive in this AI age. With skills, you make things happen yourself. With management, you rely on others to make things happen.

 

[windwaver]

Then mg and agm Ad levels don't wan to sack these jlb ?

Mass orgy until good friends

 

[nujiln]

Most managers don’t firefight. Instead they run far away from fire or claim someone else started it.

Sadly I do a lot of firefighting , but at least I’m adequately credited and remunerated for it

 

[buttbERry]

if not become top specialist

 

[windwaver]

In my line of work there’s a ceiling to an IC’s career path and and compensation, so those that want to progress further must step into management roles.

The roles are distinct. Managers need to have sufficient domain knowledge, but the main job is to provide strategic oversight and guidance, build up the team, optimise resources and efforts, manage stakeholders, firefight and tank.

Senior management tank I happy loh, most of the time they push to somebody below them to tank even if it's their mismanagement.

 

[Milodrink]

Senior management tank I happy loh, most of the time they push to somebody below them to tank even if it's their mismanagement.

Super true.

 

[Milodrink]

Senior management tank I happy loh, most of the time they push to somebody below them to tank even if it's their mismanagement.

Then can we pretend we tokong experience with ppl mgmt liao.

Got in coy liao then exercise the blame game that every coy great at kym

 

[Godeau]

Job security as management is a myth, especially in middle and lower.. you'll have to be constantly at your toes to meet targets and kpi, if not you'll be labelled as goner and get tossed around like a ragdoll in various departments

 

[windwaver]

Then can we pretend we tokong experience with ppl mgmt liao.

Got in coy liao then exercise the blame game that every coy great at kym

Just do the minimum can liao but don't relax until don't do anything expect $$ fall from sky la