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eh.... btw i am also interested in REITS.... is it better than Unit Trust?

They're two completely different things.

A unit trust is a generic term for an unlisted fund that invests in things - stocks, bonds, commodities, whatever.

A REIT is an exchange-traded fund that invests in real estate.

You can't say one is better than the other - it's like apples and oranges.
 

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This is a legit question. I generally knock gold as an investment when people ask about it, because it's crazy expensive at the moment (and because it's hilarious to watch all the loony goldbugs come out of the woodwork, regurgitating stuff they've read on the intertubes about "the fiat currency paradigm" and "gold is money". If gold is money, why can't I buy a can of Coke with it?).

But there's a good argument for having a small (say 5%) slice of your portfolio in gold, and it revolves around correlation. Diversification is good, right? And gold's a very good way to diversify your portfolio, because it has near-zero correlation with stocks. So gold tends to move independently of stocks (except in big plunges like the one in August), which gives you some insurance if your stocks go down in price.

So it's not a bad idea to own a bit of gold. The problem is that it has neither yield (like a bond) nor underlying earnings (like a stock) nor any real industrial demand, so actually making money from gold relies entirely on the Greater Fool theory. That's why it shouldn't be a big part of your portfolio.

Mostly stocks, some bonds, a bit of cash, and a bit of gold makes for a well-diversified investment portfolio.

The easiest way to buy the shiny yellow stuff is, as MikeDirnt said, the SPDR Gold ETF (stock code O87 on the SGX, or GLD on NYSE). It's big, it's liquid, it trades like a share, there's no GST on it, and if you ever need to cash out, you can sell it and have the money in three days flat.

Ok thanks...actually I do own a little physical gold that was left to me ions ago..i will prob leave it for the next generation..hee
Will do some homework on the ETF
 

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Bullion coins are definately a better way to holding physical gold than kilobars. Unless you're a UHNW individual who buys by the ton, kilobars are a little too large a denomination. You will be better off getting 1oz gold coins in tubes.

Even after some explanation in my previous posts, the misconception of 'gold as an investment' still persists. I have to reiterate - gold is NOT an investment. It is a hedge against fiat currencies. It is a safe haven against govts running up large deficits and thereafter monetizing their debts. Do not expect to make a quick buck with gold, it doesn't work that way. Fast money comes with high volatility and risk... but since you were asking about savings, I will not venture further into the "gambling" side of investments.
Eh does gold fight against inflation then?
 

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How about a one-tonne gold coin? Can I pay with that and get some change?

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Yes you can.

People in countries who have experienced hyperinflation before can bring one-tonne weighted of notes totaling billions of dollars might not be ABLE to purchase a can of coke.
 

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Gold can also be an investment if you are looking at its technical aspect, playing the short swings up and down. But purchasing physical gold is usually more of a long term hedge against adverse economic situations.

Eh does gold fight against inflation then?

Gold is a hedge against inflation.
 

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Eh does gold fight against inflation then?

In the general sense, yes. But "fight against" may be an inaccurate term to use. It's better to describe gold as an asset that will preserve its purchasing power/value. Please DOYDD (Do your own due diligence) too, as it will help you better understand the mechanics behind the economy and money. Opinions here are just articulated perceptions of different people. You have to build your own understanding and make your own decisions.

You can print fiat currencies, you can't print gold.
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Will read up. I hope gold can hedge against inflation, coz thats one of my main objectives since I dont know how to invest in shares

Wondering how much it cost for 1 physical gold coin?
 
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Will read up. I hope gold can hedge against inflation, coz thats one of my main objectives since I dont know how to invest in shares

Wondering how much it cost for 1 physical gold coin?

just FYI, gold has returns double digits return for the past 11 year in SGD terms.

so the objective of fighting against inflation will work if you still believe gold is undervalued and will continue to rise in the future.
 
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Will read up. I hope gold can hedge against inflation, coz thats one of my main objectives since I dont know how to invest in shares

Wondering how much it cost for 1 physical gold coin?

Check out the UOB gold department. They do sell gold coins.

However, gold price looks high now. If you buy now, you must have a really long-term view, maybe 20 to 30 years. Can pass on to your grandchildren.
 

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Buy gold is never for passive income. More for capital appreciation. Think what you exactly want first lor
 

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Check out the UOB gold department. They do sell gold coins.

However, gold price looks high now. If you buy now, you must have a really long-term view, maybe 20 to 30 years. Can pass on to your grandchildren.


I bought gold in 1982 at about 800. You think I have gained or at least beaten inflation rate?
 

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just FYI, gold has returns double digits return for the past 11 year in SGD terms.

so the objective of fighting against inflation will work if you still believe gold is undervalued and will continue to rise in the future.

Yes gold has more than doubled since I bought it in 1982 at about 800. So have I gained or beaten inflation?

At today's exchange rate, I have not gained a cent in 30 years!!!
 

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Gold is overrated. Smells like the reason why it's been so virulent in online and offline discussions is largely because of the media.
 

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Yes gold has more than doubled since I bought it in 1982 at about 800. So have I gained or beaten inflation?

At today's exchange rate, I have not gained a cent in 30 years!!!

back then US is printing less money and gold was at fair value. so you bought at the peak. now US is printing money like toilet paper so the gold value in USD is in fact undervalued. it should be priced higher in USD terms.

you can read Roborovskii explanation about the value of gold using a "ruler" analogy. and the money index explanation makes sense.
 

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Gold is overrated. Smells like the reason why it's been so virulent in online and offline discussions is largely because of the media.

the biggest mover of gold is not the retail. central banks are in fact holding large hordes of gold. so you think the central banks are wrong themselves?
 

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Right now gold is very speculative. Buy if you believe in those speculation now lor
 

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the biggest mover of gold is not the retail. central banks are in fact holding large hordes of gold. so you think the central banks are wrong themselves?

Just because the Central Banks have huge amount of gold does not means it is their interest for gold price to go up.
 

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the biggest mover of gold is not the retail. central banks are in fact holding large hordes of gold. so you think the central banks are wrong themselves?

Obviously it is not retail.

There is a possibility that they are wrong. I am a skeptic.
 
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