Need Advice for a full system

[GorGor2015sg]

Haha.
If u are thinking of future proofing, ask no question and just get the most expensive setup u can afford.

No expert or anyone can predict how the future technology will be and you want to future proof it?

Money will be better spent on getting the current techology for a setup which is the most relevant to you now rather than guessing what u will need in the future and buying them now which u may not even use in the future.

If you are really concern about the electrical bill for overclocking, i rather you use this effort by not turning on air con when sleeping at night.
The extra wattage comsume by overclocking is peanut when compared to the air conditioner.

You suggested I should get a rig which is most relevant to me now.
So if I'm gaming on an Asus 144 Hz 1080p monitor now, its pointless to get a GTX 980 as its overkill. Lucky I bought a nice GTX 970 to chug along as GTX 970 is the perfect card for 1080p (as well as the AMD R390).

But since all these are going to last me 5 years (I used to change my rig once every 3 years but found it pointless and money wasting, all the money went to Intel's and Nvidia's bank accounts), I might as well get something more future proof. I'm sure games 3-4 years from the date I set up my new rig will require slightly more power than a GTX 970/980 or an overclocked i5. If these games do come out, at least my current rig can tahan the assault, and if lucky, can last well into the 6th year.

I just find it not so logical to overclock an i5-6600K to match an i7-6700K. The performance might be roughly the same. But the power draw will be significantly higher than a stock i7-6700K. And the minus point is i5 lack of hyperthreading for the future. As for the i7-6700K, it works out to be roughly $100 more expensive, and <$100 premium over the i5 if we take 3-4 years of power draw into comparison. So I think paying at most a $100 premium for an i7-6700K over an i5-6600K might be worthwhile.

BTW, I have a Mitsubishi aircon but I haven't been using it for the past 3 years already. Always using a 65 watt fan. I'm very "Nvidia" conscious type of person even though I'm an AMD fanboy.

 

[GorGor2015sg]

Use this link to calculate
650 is enough, unless u going for SLI

Hi

Thanks a lot for the link. Looks useful.

Will visit the link.

Thanks.

 

[shadow84]

TS, it seems like you are trying to find someone to agree with you to justify yourself.

If you are so fixated on the i7-6700k, i recommend to just get it along with your asus mobo and rams. The debates seem to be going nowhere.

A quick opinion, i would prefer to go for high end gpu rather than high end cpu for future proof gaming.

 

[MoneyFace =p]

You suggested I should get a rig which is most relevant to me now.
So if I'm gaming on an Asus 144 Hz 1080p monitor now, its pointless to get a GTX 980 as its overkill. Lucky I bought a nice GTX 970 to chug along as GTX 970 is the perfect card for 1080p (as well as the AMD R390).

But since all these are going to last me 5 years (I used to change my rig once every 3 years but found it pointless and money wasting, all the money went to Intel's and Nvidia's bank accounts), I might as well get something more future proof. I'm sure games 3-4 years from the date I set up my new rig will require slightly more power than a GTX 970/980 or an overclocked i5. If these games do come out, at least my current rig can tahan the assault, and if lucky, can last well into the 6th year.

I just find it not so logical to overclock an i5-6600K to match an i7-6700K. The performance might be roughly the same. But the power draw will be significantly higher than a stock i7-6700K. And the minus point is i5 lack of hyperthreading for the future. As for the i7-6700K, it works out to be roughly $100 more expensive, and <$100 premium over the i5 if we take 3-4 years of power draw into comparison. So I think paying at most a $100 premium for an i7-6700K over an i5-6600K might be worthwhile.

BTW, I have a Mitsubishi aircon but I haven't been using it for the past 3 years already. Always using a 65 watt fan. I'm very "Nvidia" conscious type of person even though I'm an AMD fanboy.

Any proof to your hypothesis (again)? I have. And this will be my last time spoon feeding and my final post here.

http://www.eteknix.com/intel-core-i7-6700k-i5-6600k-skylake-processors-review/13/

You can see above a supposedly higher extreme clocked Core i5 draws less power than a slightly lower clocked Core i7.

And TDP is NOT a direct indication of power consumption but just telling you how much heat expected to output.

 

[enenyi]

You suggested I should get a rig which is most relevant to me now.
So if I'm gaming on an Asus 144 Hz 1080p monitor now, its pointless to get a GTX 980 as its overkill. Lucky I bought a nice GTX 970 to chug along as GTX 970 is the perfect card for 1080p (as well as the AMD R390).

But since all these are going to last me 5 years (I used to change my rig once every 3 years but found it pointless and money wasting, all the money went to Intel's and Nvidia's bank accounts), I might as well get something more future proof. I'm sure games 3-4 years from the date I set up my new rig will require slightly more power than a GTX 970/980 or an overclocked i5. If these games do come out, at least my current rig can tahan the assault, and if lucky, can last well into the 6th year.

I just find it not so logical to overclock an i5-6600K to match an i7-6700K. The performance might be roughly the same. But the power draw will be significantly higher than a stock i7-6700K. And the minus point is i5 lack of hyperthreading for the future. As for the i7-6700K, it works out to be roughly $100 more expensive, and <$100 premium over the i5 if we take 3-4 years of power draw into comparison. So I think paying at most a $100 premium for an i7-6700K over an i5-6600K might be worthwhile.

BTW, I have a Mitsubishi aircon but I haven't been using it for the past 3 years already. Always using a 65 watt fan. I'm very "Nvidia" conscious type of person even though I'm an AMD fanboy.

Ur debate is going nowhere. The more u dwell in the i7-6700k, the more confused u become.

I just share my opinion with u here.

U want to game? Simple i5-6400 will do. Spend the rest of the money on a good GPU, like a GTX 980 Ti or GTX 970/R9 390.

U wanna have some control over the CPU? Get the i5-6600k. Able to overclock using multiplier, u get to push the CPU harder and squeeze every ounce u paid for the chip to turn it to computational power.

U need hyperthreading for computational work? Go for i7-5820k, period. By paying just a bit more for an i7-5820k + entry level X99 board vs i7-6700k + decent level Z170 board, u get 2 more cores and 4 more threads to work with. But if u go this option, u wont have as much to spend on GPU unless u up the budget.

i7-6700k is in no-man's land. It is not worth the buy unless u really know wad u r into, coz performance-wise it gets beaten by the i7-5820k, yet price-wise it is nowhere close to a i5-6600k. This is me having upgraded from i5-3570k to i7-5820k telling u this.

At the end of the day, it's your money, so still ur judgement call.

 

[royfrosty]

Actually im always lurking on this thread and i think i should speak up to.

From the looks of it, TS there are many things to factor in than thinking of how much power does your rig gonna take. Do you know how much are we paying for electricity in kWh? If you know you wont even need to worry big time about the power drawn from the wall. Be it a 300w gpu or a 95w or 140w cpu.

The fact is that if the pc is on idle, do you actually know how much does the pc draw from the wall?

The fact that tdp does not equate that your actual power drawn when it is on load. It varies.

If you gather all the post from what we gurus have mentioned here, you will know that there is no significant difference when you compare stock vs overclocking.

If you done more research and how games utilize resources, you will know that games are not useful to hyperthread. If there is, then that will be a few games. Probably you wont even play that game in the first place.

You are thinking far too much on an i7 when it is just a quad core cou with hyperthread against the i5. With a little more cache memory.

I believe we all have feedback to you more than enough, and since you are geared towards a different approach than any one of us here would reommend you, i guess you are better off on your own.

 

[aismanja]

TS... juz get something like my setup n dont turn back maybe 6600k + 800W psu if on budget... im also using 970 now mayb upgde to 980ti or titan in future who knows... before i use only d duo core processor (from legacy gen to 6th gen super step-up)....

Nowadays... things get refresh only in 6mths.... forget future proof of 5yrs n abve....

Show yr budget to them n they will hapily recommand u....

 

[MasK]

Well, 2 main things I gather from this thread is "gaming" and "budget". If so like what many have mentioned, an i5 would be more cost effective. If you're doing something else that require more threads, then by all means go for i7. But.. if you're hard up on an i7 nevertheless, make sure your budget is fine with a decent mobo and you're happy. That's what's important which a lot have forgotten.

The 970gtx is already a pretty good card and will last a while. After 3 years, you can upgrade to a 1180gtx on the same z170 board and be fine. Since you already got it, I think the rest can forget about the "More $$ in GPU, less $$ in CPU" advice.

 

[aismanja]

D only pple who ask for future proof is d pple who only know in papers only n dont really know how to diy themself.... upgde d parts bit by bit... its fun wat at same time upgde yr own skills no need go take course or class

 

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[aismanja]

can attached a tube from yr aircon 2 yr rig... who say cannot...

 

[xRenol]

Hi,

Are you referring to CaseLabs Mercury S3 ITX?

Where can I get it in SLS? (Which shop) and how much is it?

Thanks.

According to their website, CaseLabs Mercury S3 has been discontinued but not sure if SLS still has it.

 

[GorGor2015sg]

Simple la. You want quiet sibo? You either do an oil rig build, or wear earplugs before you turn on your com.

ma huan leh, must wear earplug. That means the rig is a failure liao if must do that.

 

[GorGor2015sg]

TS... What's your budget?

Sent from Imperial Star Destroyer using GAGT

max 139. But of course the cheaper the better.

 

[GorGor2015sg]

Stop being hypothetical and start reading online article to find out. Without any vent, your graphics card will run rather hotter and (hence noiser) since it needs to draw air from the remaining chassis vent further elsewhere. If you want low noise, chassis with internal panel sound dampening foam will be your best friend yet it can only reduce this much. Seriously you think a fully sealed (rather thin) side panel can stop sound from resonating through it?

I'm not being hypothetical. My palit gtx 970 has some coil whine. This is my 2nd Palit actually and the coil whine is minimal but I'm still concerned about it. I ran my CM midi tower with my left side open so I can hear it when the games and benchmarks are running. I have to cover it up with a windowed side panel and the coil whine is hidden. The 1st Palit coil whine was unacceptable and I did a swap with the seller.

You seem not to know about the coil whine issues. It's all over the net. Just google for it. For coil whine affecting the GTX 970/980 (GTX 960 doesn't seem to have coil whine), you may refer to

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/hov-to-avoid-getting-a-gtx-970-980-with-coil-whine.212975/

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-970-coil-whine/

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/2pu3to/discussion_gtx_970s_coil_whine_and_your_psu/

http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/GeForce-GTX-970-Coil-Whine-Concerns

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/229278-the-gtx-970980-coil-whine-thread/

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...-970-too-many-issues-to-be-nvidia-/?offset=23

 

[GorGor2015sg]

The Thermaltake Core V1 and V21 looks attractive enough.

The V21 has windowed side panel while the V1 has a top windowed side panel but the website seems to say the V1 top windowed side panel can be swapped to the left side as the panels are symmetrical.

Both the Thermaltake models are significantly cheaper than the Phantek EVO ITX (also windowed).

 

[GorGor2015sg]

D only pple who ask for future proof is d pple who only know in papers only n dont really know how to diy themself.... upgde d parts bit by bit... its fun wat at same time upgde yr own skills no need go take course or class

But I ask for future proof and build my own gaming rigs myself.

Its so easy to DIY with all the advanced casing now. Not like last time.

I remember my first PC was an Intel 8088, then upgraded to Intel 80286, then AMD 80386, then Intel Pentium, Pentium Pro, AMD Athlon, AMD Phenom II, most of the builds are built by myself.

 

[GorGor2015sg]

Well, 2 main things I gather from this thread is "gaming" and "budget". If so like what many have mentioned, an i5 would be more cost effective. If you're doing something else that require more threads, then by all means go for i7. But.. if you're hard up on an i7 nevertheless, make sure your budget is fine with a decent mobo and you're happy. That's what's important which a lot have forgotten.

The 970gtx is already a pretty good card and will last a while. After 3 years, you can upgrade to a 1180gtx on the same z170 board and be fine. Since you already got it, I think the rest can forget about the "More $$ in GPU, less $$ in CPU" advice.

Yes, indeed. Talk so much also no use liao. Coz I bought a lesser GTX 970. I should have spent a bit more and bought the AMD Fury Nano, now that it has been given a huge discount. Perfect stylish card for a mini - ITX.

 

[Entry Level PC]

Moi love my bui bui haf xb evo deep deep.
Full atx lan box casing.

 

[GorGor2015sg]

TS... juz get something like my setup n dont turn back maybe 6600k + 800W psu if on budget... im also using 970 now mayb upgde to 980ti or titan in future who knows... before i use only d duo core processor (from legacy gen to 6th gen super step-up)....

Nowadays... things get refresh only in 6mths.... forget future proof of 5yrs n abve....

Show yr budget to them n they will hapily recommand u....

Ya, looking at i5 build (or i7) currently. But you running SLI or crossfire? Why need 800W PSU so high? if no SLI, 650W is more than enough.

I bough a Cooler Master Silent Pro 1000W 6 years ago is mainly to show off. I even took the pic and proudly display to people that I'm on 1000 watts of nuclear power. Kind of silly so now am more practical.

My budget is 1500 excluding monitor and SSD.