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Except that Sony doesn't make any money from the $729 they get from scalpers, they lose money from selling them.

Most consumers would gladly sign up for PS plus or purchase Miles Morales if they are able to get their hands on a PS5 for $729, but paying twice the MSRP for it is going put most people off, most people are just not going to do it. In the end, Sony doesnt get the revenue they'd have gotten if the scalper hadn't existed.

Moot point since there are no Bak kwa scalpers so all the profits accrue to the business, and rightfully so since most of their profits come from CNY period.


I dunno if PS5 or console community are more "nerdy", they could be, but I'm not against scalping because I'm a fanboy or something, I just dun think this is good for the industry.

true too..

but u know that the scalpers do eventually sell their ps5 right? And that means Sony still earn from whatever games or ps plus sub that the buy right haha...

Very simply, from last year nov, u will see so many sellers selling ps5 at high prices...and all who get their ps5 in nov dec all sold.. the current ppl selling in carousel are those for the latest batch. What does this say? People are buying from the scalpers. Sony still earn since there are buyers who actually use the ps5. No loss at all.
 

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true too..

but u know that the scalpers do eventually sell their ps5 right? And that means Sony still earn from whatever games or ps plus sub that the buy right haha...

Very simply, from last year nov, u will see so many sellers selling ps5 at high prices...and all who get their ps5 in nov dec all sold.. the current ppl selling in carousel are those for the latest batch. What does this say? People are buying from the scalpers. Sony still earn since there are buyers who actually use the ps5. No loss at all.

Eventually yes, but nobody knows how long were these PS5s hoarded, I read that some groups bought up thousands of units, thousands of these things couldn't have moved quickly.
 

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money paid to scalpers, $729 still goes to Sony haha.. not saying i condone it but thats how it is. Sony still earn the same as it being sold not to a scalper.

Yea exactly since now u are financially better, and if u were interested to play a specific game on ps5 like how the people here yearn for one, will u still wait months later or be like others who constantly monitor the ps5 drops, refreshing it etc? If it were me and i dont have the time, i will surely pay for that extra money to get one on hand if i am so crazy to play a ps5( which i am not) Sony still earns that $729 if the logic that u mention is to support Sony hahaha...

same logic like BAK KWA. If i so crave it, i will pay the elevated prices that the bak kwa store are selling the bbq pork to get it right away. And the thing is, pork isnt scarce now and yet the prices are elevated, and yet singaporeans aka the "food community" still pay without batting an eyelid. The sellers are banking in to the "hype of the season" and we consumers pay it without complaining online haha

But when its ps5 to the console community, "hor hor hor.... scalping is bad...dont buy from this idiots etc.."

Community problem right?

I have a bunch of hardcore PS console acquaintances and of course friends who buy for casual fun. No offence but the acquaintances that are so hardcore...are eccentric people. Dont wanna be a judge but they are single introverts often giving a nerdy eccentric vibe. Just from what i notice, no offence!

If there is no one willing to buy an item at an elevated price, scalpers would not even have existed.
 
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Eventually yes, but nobody knows how long were these PS5s hoarded, I read that some groups bought up thousands of units, thousands of these things couldn't have moved quickly.

ya lo eventually yes, so Sony does not lose at all haha..
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If there is no buyer willing to buy an item at an elevated price, scalpers would not even have existed.

exactly lo.

because there are buyers in the market willing to pay for it because they can afford it, thats why scalpers exist. So why do people so fed up with scalpers hahaha..
 

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ya lo eventually yes, so Sony does not lose at all haha..
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There is loss for sure, just a matter of how much. If a PS5 is in hands of a scalper for 2 months, thats 2 months of zero revenue for Sony, could be 2 months of PS plus subscription, or a game thats retailing at full MSRP (games tend to be discounted as time goes by).
 

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There is loss for sure, just a matter of how much. If a PS5 is in hands of a scalper for 2 months, thats 2 months of zero revenue for Sony, could be 2 months of PS plus subscription, or a game thats retailing at full MSRP (games tend to be discounted as time goes by).
Thats not the entire picture though, sony 80% or more revenue is still coming from PS4 owners, who already have PS subscriptions, PS5 users probably account for 20% at max. As far as scalpers goes, that only accounts to maybe 10% of the PS5 they have been able to make so far which are still hoarding, (i might be right or wrong, this is just a rough estimate) and thats just 2% of their revenue of PS subs, they might be missing out on, something they definitely wont prefer but not troublesome enough. They already have the money from the console. Games would have no impact in the long run, just a matter of which quarter they get sold in. So overall its a small number. as far as their interaction with the customer base goes, that also has minimal impact on it. Because thats just a tiny section of their entire customer base.

Also, consumers who have more money in their pocket, they will be always willing to pay premium, you can technically argue thats how the world got expensive in the first place, because they were buyers who were willing to pay high prices, for the premium product.

So cant really blame the consumers as well, and tbh if i was earning 300k or more a year, i would have already picked up a PS5 even at 1100, since that extra 400$ wouldn't have pinched me so much ahaha. And sometimes, paying additional 200$ for bragging rights, or gift it to someone, that happiness, can be worth the money.
 

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bottom line is, there are as many buyers as there are scalpers, in Singapore context i mean. So if u hit on scalpers, u are also basically hitting on the people who can afford the higher premium and willing to pay for it. hahaha =x
 

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if you compare bak kwa with ps5, it's totally **** comparison/reason, why bak kwa only rise during cny period cause ppl mostly buy bak kwa during cny period, just like valentine days, it's a once a year period, will mark up to earn during this once a year thingy, otherwise u hardly see ppl buying bak kwa or flowers during the non period

BUT at least the extra profile goes directly to the stall holder who are selling the goods.

in this case of scalpers, sony doesn't earn which is scalpers ****ing it up. i do agree to a certain extent that if u can afford paying extra money to buy ps5, fine for you. please dont ****ing come out and keep saying it to support those ****ing scalpers.

also the sneakers scalper industry are a totally different thing from ps5 cause it's those companies purposely hyping it up and making it more exp and value, which is a collector thing, unlike ps5 which will drop value
 
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amazon ah? just had a random thought.. why cant sony let psplus users(subscribed in 2019 or earlier) have a private link/purchase via login to own one ah..?

that being said, Sony's a business and we're not "New" :D

I'd suggested that earlier in this thread too, but as you've said, Sony is a business and won't want to incur the additional effort and logistics cost to enable such an option. From the point of view of genuine customers and PS gamers, it would, of course, be a welcome thing.
 

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fr ppl hu blame the buyers thn the scalpers lol.. abit wrong mentality sia. the problem will always be frm scalpers. they buy all the stock making ppl buy frm them. by doing this the aftermath is actlly giving birth to more scalpers. it catches on. bcs ppl nw will buy more than one just bcs they are angered at scalpers and it was hard fr them to get one. they see the og scalper do it, thn they oso follow becoming one themself. all i can say lets hope a millionaire doesnt get angered and buy up all the stock lol. bcs it will b a nightmare if the filthy rich does it too, they bcome richer and we the commoners get affected. so imo scalpers it will b better 2 be humble and maybe keep quiet altogether...
 
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fr ppl hu blame the buyers thn the scalpers lol.. abit wrong mentality sia. the problem will always be frm scalpers. they buy all the stock making ppl buy frm them. by doing this the aftermath is actlly giving birth to more scalpers. it catches on. bcs ppl nw will buy more than one just bcs they are angered at scalpers and it was hard fr them to get one. they see scalper do it, thn they oso follow. all i can say lets hope a millionaire doesnt get angered and buy up all the stock lol. so imo scalpers it will b better 2 be humble and maybe keep quiet altogether...

Putting it simple... why scalper buy up all the stock in the first place? because there are people willing to pay for them at high price...

if no one care.. will there people bother spend money n time to grab this and sell high price in the first place?

If people hold up their urge not to buy 100% those scalper will eat grass.. end up slowly nobody bother buy up anymore..
 

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Exactly.. i am busy preparing dinner tonight so scare sony suddenly drop a few unit.. keep checking my pc.. picking vege in front of my pc.

hearsay last night us site got stock...

yeah, direct playstation store got drops for EU and NA.... i got into the queue, but in the end cant buy for SG cos different region
 

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yeah, direct playstation store got drops for EU and NA.... i got into the queue, but in the end cant buy for SG cos different region

can use forwarding service.. but reach here pricing exchanged rate + tax + shipping bo hua le..
 
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