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The main benefit to 5G is better handling of congestion (ie fit more active users into the same physical area and radio spectrum allocation), this is very important for a densely populated location like Singapore, but the full benefits are not realised until everyone has moved over to 5G capable devices.

Lower frequency 5G bands also have longer usable range, that's not so important here but it matters a lot in larger countries.
Yes but actually what happened now is good. those users who own 5G devices will be on 5G network while the rest of users continue to be on 4G. This free up the bandwidth for 4G. Haha.
 

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Anyone know which ISP has support for "CN2 GIA" that some VPS are using?
According to this website (in Chinese)
https://www.vps234.com/xinjiapo-cn2-gia-vps-tuijian/
These VPS has low latency to China as they are using "CN2 GIA" connection.

I believe the answer is NONE and you have to pay for the VPS.

The VPS may have their own host provider, or hosted by the local ISPs. But you will not be able to leverage the special route with fast access to China websites.

Personally I have the paid AJS China VPN service, mainly for streaming services since I have paid services like QQ Music, Tencent Video and Youku. It also provides lower latency to Chinese website but I do not really use AJS for that purpose.

Just an example ping without and with AJS.

~ $ ping s.taobao.com
PING v6-sh-sz-zb.wagbridge.alibaba.taobao.com.gds.alibabadns.com (59.82.9.90) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 59.82.9.90: icmp_seq=1 ttl=80 time=213 ms
64 bytes from 59.82.9.90: icmp_seq=2 ttl=80 time=239 ms
64 bytes from 59.82.9.90: icmp_seq=3 ttl=80 time=329 ms
64 bytes from 59.82.9.90: icmp_seq=4 ttl=80 time=264 ms
64 bytes from 59.82.9.90: icmp_seq=5 ttl=80 time=373 ms
64 bytes from 59.82.9.90: icmp_seq=6 ttl=80 time=293 ms
64 bytes from 59.82.9.90: icmp_seq=7 ttl=80 time=315 ms
^C
--- v6-sh-sz-zb.wagbridge.alibaba.taobao.com.gds.alibabadns.com ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 7965ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 213.887/290.176/373.930/51.097 ms

~ $ ping s.taobao.com
PING v6-sh-sz-zb.wagbridge.alibaba.taobao.com.gds.alibabadns.com (59.82.9.84) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 59.82.9.84: icmp_seq=1 ttl=86 time=113 ms
64 bytes from 59.82.9.84: icmp_seq=2 ttl=86 time=126 ms
64 bytes from 59.82.9.84: icmp_seq=3 ttl=86 time=107 ms
64 bytes from 59.82.9.84: icmp_seq=4 ttl=86 time=117 ms
64 bytes from 59.82.9.84: icmp_seq=5 ttl=86 time=121 ms
64 bytes from 59.82.9.84: icmp_seq=6 ttl=86 time=125 ms
^C
--- v6-sh-sz-zb.wagbridge.alibaba.taobao.com.gds.alibabadns.com ping statistics ---
6 packets transmitted, 6 received, 0% packet loss, time 5008ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 107.241/118.626/126.411/6.731 ms
 
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Thank you xiaofan, I was hoping to share pictures & movies in my NAS with my parents in China, seems need to try proxy using the VPS then
 

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Anyone know which ISP has support for "CN2 GIA" that some VPS are using?

According to this website (in Chinese) https://www.vps234.com/xinjiapo-cn2-gia-vps-tuijian/
These VPS has low latency to China as they are using "CN2 GIA" connection.

VPS are normally hosted in data centers. where their route are quite fixed and predictable.

On the other hand, ISP routing are subjected to their "smart routing" aka throttling rules. You may get good route on one day and it changes on another. Even if their route is fixed, they may choose to "control" the bandwidth and latency accordingly. Only they knows.

So in short, the answer is no.

Thank you xiaofan, I was hoping to share pictures & movies in my NAS with my parents in China, seems need to try proxy using the VPS then

I propose uploading to baidu 盘 and share link to their wechat or for photos + short videos, just upload to your wechat moments for them (limited to their view if private).
 

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I propose uploading to baidu 盘 and share link to their wechat or for photos + short videos, just upload to your wechat moments for them (limited to their view if private).

Good idea. I tend to think Baidu Pan is very slow to upload from Singapore though. I have given up on Baidu Pan long time ago so I am not so sure about the upload speed now.

WeChat should be fine for photos and short videos. No need to share on moments, just use chat.

The other possibility may be to use remote access to the NAS. Not so sure how fast it can be if accessing from China.
 

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Good idea. I tend to think Baidu Pan is very slow to upload from Singapore though. I have given up on Baidu Pan long time ago so I am not so sure about the upload speed now.

WeChat should be fine for photos and short videos. No need to share on moments, just use chat.

The other possibility may be to use remote access to the NAS. Not so sure how fast it can be if accessing from China.

Baidu upload is still slow. ~ few Mb/s at the moment . This cant be helped since @lobukong folks folks are behind GFW. Its either the upload slow or the viewing access slow.

i suggested moments for 2 reasons

1) it doesn't take up space in user phone chat history, thus needed to clear when phone storage is low.

2) i am *assuming* the photos and videos are daily life captures, so they can be uploaded chronologically . And they can be searched easily with word search anytime since most moments are tagged adequately. Also there can be more interaction between @lobukong and his parents.

of course there are certain size limit for upload videos to moments. so my suggestions are based on pure assumptions
 
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i suggested moments for 2 reasons

1) it doesn't take up space in user phone chat history, thus needed to clear when phone storage is low.

2) i am *assuming* the photos and videos are daily life captures, so they can be uploaded chronologically . And they can be searched easily with word search anytime since most moments are tagged adequately. Also there can be more interaction between @lobukong and his parents.
Yes, it's correct. Thank you for the great suggestions.
Will try moments. Wechat should be more trust worthy than baidu afaik.
 

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thanks for the summary, saved me a lot of time searching

this thread needs to be pinned
 

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Anyone know which ISP has support for "CN2 GIA" that some VPS are using?

According to this website (in Chinese) https://www.vps234.com/xinjiapo-cn2-gia-vps-tuijian/
These VPS has low latency to China as they are using "CN2 GIA" connection.

China bandwidth si bei expensive. Tiagong is 30 to 60 USD per mbps.

i still looking for a better way to connect into china also :s13:

This is from my network which have forward and return path optimized into china. Normal internet users, won't enjoy it unless they willing to pay a premium (yet there might be leecher) that leech up like 10mbps constantly. Need to charge like 300USD a month to recouple the cost.


Pinging v6-sh-sz-zb.wagbridge.alibaba.taobao.com.gds.alibabadns.com [59.82.9.90] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84

Ping statistics for 59.82.9.90:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 70ms, Maximum = 70ms, Average = 70ms
 

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China bandwidth si bei expensive. Tiagong is 30 to 60 USD per mbps.

i still looking for a better way to connect into china also :s13:

This is from my network which have forward and return path optimized into china. Normal internet users, won't enjoy it unless they willing to pay a premium (yet there might be leecher) that leech up like 10mbps constantly. Need to charge like 300USD a month to recouple the cost.


Pinging v6-sh-sz-zb.wagbridge.alibaba.taobao.com.gds.alibabadns.com [59.82.9.90] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84

Ping statistics for 59.82.9.90:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 70ms, Maximum = 70ms, Average = 70ms
Cool, may I know how to achieve this?
 

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China bandwidth si bei expensive. Tiagong is 30 to 60 USD per mbps.

i still looking for a better way to connect into china also :s13:

This is from my network which have forward and return path optimized into china. Normal internet users, won't enjoy it unless they willing to pay a premium (yet there might be leecher) that leech up like 10mbps constantly. Need to charge like 300USD a month to recouple the cost.


Pinging v6-sh-sz-zb.wagbridge.alibaba.taobao.com.gds.alibabadns.com [59.82.9.90] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84

Ping statistics for 59.82.9.90:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 70ms, Maximum = 70ms, Average = 70ms
Interesting. I wonder if this is their way of pushing internet use to their mobile phones for the vast majority of users?
 

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Using China VPN like AJS can significantly reduce the ping time, however the downside is that the bandwidth of these providers are a bit low so you will not get high speed. My use case is only for occassionaly streaming so there is no issue with 720p/1080p streaming (no 4K for my subscribed services tier).

SpeedTest server -- Singtel SpeedTest server

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Without AJS VPN: high ping from my Singtel 1Gbps Internet

Code:
Pinging v6-sh-sz-zb.wagbridge.alibaba.taobao.com.gds.alibabadns.com [59.82.29.204] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 59.82.29.204: bytes=32 time=295ms TTL=81
Reply from 59.82.29.204: bytes=32 time=302ms TTL=81
Reply from 59.82.29.204: bytes=32 time=314ms TTL=81
Reply from 59.82.29.204: bytes=32 time=250ms TTL=81

Ping statistics for 59.82.29.204:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 250ms, Maximum = 314ms, Average = 290ms

With AJS the ping value is reduced significantly.

Code:
PS C:\work\speedtest> ping s.taobao.com

Pinging s.taobao.com [59.82.9.88] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 59.82.9.88: bytes=32 time=96ms TTL=86
Reply from 59.82.9.88: bytes=32 time=97ms TTL=86
Reply from 59.82.9.88: bytes=32 time=97ms TTL=86
Reply from 59.82.9.88: bytes=32 time=102ms TTL=86

Ping statistics for 59.82.9.88:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 96ms, Maximum = 102ms, Average = 98ms
 

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Interesting. I wonder if this is their way of pushing internet use to their mobile phones for the vast majority of users?
they want to control traffic into china from asia somehow. If traffic is via US then it is pretty much free but latency very high :s13:
 

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China bandwidth si bei expensive. Tiagong is 30 to 60 USD per mbps.

i still looking for a better way to connect into china also :s13:

This is from my network which have forward and return path optimized into china. Normal internet users, won't enjoy it unless they willing to pay a premium (yet there might be leecher) that leech up like 10mbps constantly. Need to charge like 300USD a month to recouple the cost.


Pinging v6-sh-sz-zb.wagbridge.alibaba.taobao.com.gds.alibabadns.com [59.82.9.90] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84
Reply from 59.82.9.90: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=84

Ping statistics for 59.82.9.90:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 70ms, Maximum = 70ms, Average = 70ms
Why want to connect to China for? Can go for other countries?
 

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Why want to connect to China for? Can go for other countries?

The China VPNs (Transocks, AJS, SpeedCN, Malus VPN, etc) are specific to the mainland Chinese contents (eg: QQ Music, Tencent Video, Youku, iQiYI,etc), not for other countries.

And there are also some Chinese websties which may not be available outside of mainland China.

Common VPNs (like Express VPN, Nord and Surfshark) do not work for going-into-China.
 

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The China VPNs (Transocks, AJS, SpeedCN, Malus VPN, etc) are specific to the mainland Chinese contents (eg: QQ Music, Tencent Video, Youku, iQiYI,etc), not for other countries.

And there are also some Chinese websties which may not be available outside of mainland China.

Common VPNs (like Express VPN, Nord and Surfshark) do not work for going-into-China.
I see, never know that Nord VPN also do not work. iQiYl already in Singapore so can watch here but not Youku.
 

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Hi I’ve a new BTO coming up and would like to ask if there is a difference between the various “Smart Wifi routers” offered by StarHub and if it would make more sense to buy from Carousell a Velop AX4200 instead of paying the “monthly subscription” for the smart wifi routers?
 

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Hi I’ve a new BTO coming up and would like to ask if there is a difference between the various “Smart Wifi routers” offered by StarHub and if it would make more sense to buy from Carousell a Velop AX4200 instead of paying the “monthly subscription” for the smart wifi routers?
The Velop 4200 is the Smart Wifi Pro. You might find it cheaper to go with one Pro unit from StarHub and buy the additional units off Carousell.

The Pro units come free with the 2Gbps plan but are a paid upgrade for the 1Gbps plans (iirc, additional $6/mo for the first). I didn't opt for it as I have a decent enough solution in place.
 
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