Primary School Question

[BeerForBreakfast]

Many reasons I left. Among one of them is what you mentioned. In addition, there are still a lot of "secrets" kept at USA, and only knowledge sharing was only restricted to what needs to be done.

So really can't come out with much new stuff. It's a low energy repetitive job that pays well enough for what is done, such that many are actually able to work secretly on side-lines to earn even more.

Even today, you find uneducated fifty cents talking big about the Chinese and their successes at IP theft in the semiconductor industry in this forum, or they would say how the US has designs on protecting Taiwan only because of the TSMC foundry it is absolutely hilarious. They have no idea who are the ones making the machines that make the chips. They are so naive that they thought Morris Chang was able to build TSMC without the patronage of the Americans.

 

[䏣炆玧示老太]

Do you know how many people I know who went to the popular primary school I was in (it is a top 10 school in the popularity ranking) and ended up in Ah Beng Ah Lian secondary school? Some of them even ended up stopping at O level.

Getting into the popular primary school is not a guarantee that your child will excel in PSLE lah. I think we talked about this in the earlier pages of the thread. My ex neighbour's children went to Rosyth and the kids also failed to make it, now they are studying in a sorry looking neighbourhood school.

it's not a guarantee
but it's not also a 100% reverse trap either(as in go into top primary school sure end up in Gan eng seng sec sch whereas someone else went to neighbourhood primary school went into IP top schools)
Ultimately it's each has own luck in the end,cannot compare

 

[BeerForBreakfast]

it's not a guarantee
but it's not also a 100% reverse trap either(as in go into top primary school sure end up in Gan eng seng sec sch whereas someone else went to neighbourhood primary school went into IP top schools)
Ultimately it's each has own luck in the end,cannot compare

This I agree.

It is statistics. Which I trust.

 

[䏣炆玧示老太]

This I agree.

It is statistics. Which I trust.

statistics is for 95% laymen to believe in
top talents 5% defy statistics to be outliers as always

 

[Oftheseas]

The story teller did not say there was balloting of 2A1 at his/her teacher friend's school. You imagined that detail yourself.

“Your story does not check out because the phases are staggered. If she failed to get in at 2A1, then she can apply at 2A2 . . . . “

You are the one who wrote that if balloted out at 2A1, can still have a chance to ballot at next stage 2A2. I do not wish to argue.

 

[BeerForBreakfast]

“Your story does not check out because the phases are staggered. If she failed to get in at 2A1, then she can apply at 2A2 . . . . “

You are the one who wrote that if balloted out at 2A1, can still have a chance to ballot at next stage 2A2. I do not wish to argue.

Different school lah
The woman is an alumni of the 2A1 school and a staff member of the 2B2 school lah

Different schools.

Don’t understand simple story line means English standard not there. Maybe what primary school one ends up in is really very important for most people!!! OP please take notes.

 

[Clazav]

U seems to be completely out of touch with sg education.. There are so many multiple pathways in secondary schools (PFP, DPP, EAE). No doubt some late developer may not be going jc directly from sec but they can still enter Uni if they r doing fine in ITE or poly then uni. And what’s wrong with that?

Can is can, but not many. Many ite ppl are happy to just proceed to poly and stop there. They see it as a great accomplishment already.

 

[BeerForBreakfast]

Can is can, but not many. Many ite ppl are happy to just proceed to poly and stop there. They see it as a great accomplishment already.

This is true.
There are plenty of people who fare well in spite of attending humble secondary school then poly because they have hot skills (like my digital animator game making friend Poly grad and went to US now has greencard), but generally in this cut throat society and tiny island with limited career choices, not many ways for the academically disinclined who stop at O level or diploma to do well other than those who moved to sales.

It’s not the fault of the person but just the way the economy is. It is tough as in the odds are difficult!!!!
but It can be done !!

 

[Clazav]

Can is can, but not many. Many ite ppl are happy to just proceed to poly and stop there. They see it as a great accomplishment already.

I can interpret their mentality. When they entered ite, their self esteem is Pretty low already. Yet they hope to excel over their ite peers. They unlikely will want to proceed to uni as getting a poly diploma already salvage sufficient ego for them to move on.

 

[katenash]

U seems to be completely out of touch with sg education.. There are so many multiple pathways in secondary schools (PFP, DPP, EAE). No doubt some late developer may not be going jc directly from sec but they can still enter Uni if they r doing fine in ITE or poly then uni. And what’s wrong with that?

Now look who’s talking. You were the one who said going to a chao ah beng sec sch will get you to JC and then uni anyway. I am telling you while that works 20 years ago, it doesn’t work now.

I didn’t say going to uni via other pathways is not possible. You were the one who talked about the JC pathway only. And you were saying it’s totally possible to go to a lousy sec sch and then a jc. I am telling you it’s very difficult now while it was common 20 years ago.

 

[䏣炆玧示老太]

I can interpret their mentality. When they entered ite, their self esteem is Pretty low already. Yet they hope to excel over their ite peers. They unlikely will want to proceed to uni as getting a poly diploma already salvage sufficient ego for them to move on.

in before HK chef O level 1 point(1 E only,all the rest failed) went to Chinese Culinary school came out top chef went to work for Mandarin Hotel head chef salary 6 digits HKD

 

[katenash]

Your story does not check out because the phases are staggered. If she failed to get in at 2A1, then she can apply at 2A2. As a teacher working in a top school, she is already given this "lucky break" compared to parents in other professions. There should not be any complaints.

I thought you are familiar with the phases? 2A1 is for paid alumni, not for staff. I am talking about super popular schools, not your average popular schools that do not require balloting at Phase 2A. As a staff, she did not qualify for 2A1 at her teaching school. She’s only guaranteed a place at her alma mater at 2A2. 2A2 at her teaching school would require balloting. She didn’t complain as she loved her alma mater anyway. It’s also a good school just that it’s not a super popular school. I was just sharing this to tell you that parents avoid Phase 2C like a plague if they can help it. So what you read about ranking of pri schs by P1 reg stats is not reliable or accurate due to factors like this.

 

[BeerForBreakfast]

I thought you are familiar with the phases? 2A1 is for paid alumni, not for staff. I am talking about super popular schools, not your average popular schools that do not require balloting at Phase 2A. As a staff, she did not qualify for 2A1 at her teaching school. She’s only guaranteed a place at her alma mater at 2A2. 2A2 at her teaching school would require balloting. She didn’t complain as she loved her alma mater anyway. It’s also a good school just that it’s not a super popular school. I was just sharing this to tell you that parents avoid Phase 2C like a plague if they can help it. So what you read about ranking of pri schs by P1 reg stats is not reliable or accurate due to factors like this.

I am familiar with the phases. Weren’t you the one who made many mistakes when telling your story??

I know she had two choices. 2A1 at her alma mater. 2B2 at her school she works in! Basically you are saying she just wanted to be safe and avoid having to ballot 2A2 is it?
She was not deliberating 2C at all, not sure why you felt compelled to use this story to illuminate any ethos of your own views on 2C. Whatever it is, your story does not do anything to advance whatever point you think you want to push.

 

[Oftheseas]

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Different school lah
The woman is an alumni of the 2A1 school and a staff member of the 2B2 school lah

Different schools.

Don’t understand simple story line means English standard not there. Maybe what primary school one ends up in is really very important for most people!!! OP please take notes.

Of course I understand the story line as : Her alumni school is popular but can get a place under 2A1; school she teach is super popular with high chance of ballot (or even no chance to ballot) on 2A2.

But what I don’t understand is your logic (not in current school balloting circumstances) and that’s why I suspect you talking about one same school.

Anyway, I suspect we might have gone to the same primary school because many of my schoolmates were full of themselves, even at that young age !

 

[BeerForBreakfast]

Now look who’s talking. You were the one who said going to a chao ah beng sec sch will get you to JC and then uni anyway. I am telling you while that works 20 years ago, it doesn’t work now.

I didn’t say going to uni via other pathways is not possible. You were the one who talked about the JC pathway only. And you were saying it’s totally possible to go to a lousy sec sch and then a jc. I am telling you it’s very difficult now while it was common 20 years ago.

So what do you think changed then and now? Why are you so dramatic about the difficulties? Is it because you did not excel in the system during your time? If anything, didn’t MOE make exams easier now than the students born in the 80s and 90s? They even made Chinese easier, can use hanyu pinyin, and now primary school no exams in the Mid year from 2023!! If anything standards are being relaxed because parents feel indignant that their kids study so hard, but still have to compete with Pinoy and Tiong grads. So to justify their continued foreigner import, they have to make the curriculum lower standard. Last time where got no mid year exams this sort of thing?!!

 

[bolster]

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Of course I understand the story line as : Her alumni school is popular but can get a place under 2A1; school she teach is super popular with high chance of ballot (or even no chance to ballot) on 2A2.

But what I don’t understand is your logic (not in current school balloting circumstances) and that’s why I suspect you talking about one same school.

Anyway, I suspect we might have gone to the same primary school because many of my schoolmates were full of themselves, even at that young age !

aiya, so confusing, ask the minister to rename those not popular to nanyang east primary, nanyang north primary and so on.

do the same for ACS north south east west primary. Make all primary popular again with popular school name!

 

[wanker88]

If you already know all the different issues that were on her mind, good!
I still don't see how this means the popularity polls are compromised or flawed.

Your friend made a calculated decision based on what she thinks her odds are in each phase. Besides her "lucky break" of being a teacher in a top school which gives her child the same priority (which I disapprove of, why should teachers get the priority to enroll their children in the school they teach, is this NOT blatant cronyism, we can see how wrong it is when we look at other public service jobs. The equivalent is if we let every general and colonel enroll their sons under their command when they do NS. Just think about it. That's how outlandish it is), your friend is not really any more special than the thousands of other parents who have gone through the exercise. All parents weigh their chances at each phase. Parents who live within 1km of a super popular school like St Nicks, Catholic High or Rosyth are forced to weigh if they should apply for 2A in the alumni category of their alma mater which is not as good as St Nicks or Rosyth. But higher chance they will get in and if offered, they would be forced to accept it, if not try 2C 1km also have to ballot for St Nicks or Catholic High. Not really special lah your friend.

There are countless parents who still try to get into popular schools if they live within 1km of St Nicks despite knowing they have to ballot. There are also countless others who move to the vicinity for the purpose. You are splitting hairs over essentially nothing probably due to your own inability to understand stats.

The science isn't 100% exact because no science is, but it is still a science that is there and generally works to provide a mathematical picture.

I will speak to my MP about the unconscionable policy of giving teachers priority to enroll their children in a school that they work in.

1) it's not my friend but @katenash who had posted it. 2) I'm trying to point out why a teacher might've selected her alma mater over the school she's teaching. 3) Obviously as @Oftheseas said, you don't seem to understand that if phase 2a1 is filled, there is no ballot for phase 2a2. 4) I live in a property 1km from St Nicks, so spare me the explanation on my ability to understand stats. 5) again your ignorance that teachers have priority in pri 1 registration for their kids show your lack of understanding on why this was implemented 6) please speak to your mp and if indeed your words are worth anything, share a screenshot of your mp's reply. In fact while you are it ask your mp why do RC grassroot leaders get priority for BTO application.

 

[䏣炆玧示老太]

1) it's not my friend but @katenash who had posted it. 2) I'm trying to point out why a teacher might've selected her alma mater over the school she's teaching. 3) Obviously as @Oftheseas said, you don't seem to understand that if phase 2a1 is filled, there is no ballot for phase 2a2. 4) I live in a property 1km from St Nicks, so spare me the explanation on my ability to understand stats. 5) again your ignorance that teachers have priority in pri 1 registration for their kids show your lack of understanding on why this was implemented 6) please speak to your mp and if indeed your words are worth anything, share a screenshot of your mp's reply. In fact while you are it ask your mp why do RC grassroot leaders get priority for BTO application.

actually I'm not sure about 2A1 and 2A2 difference
but if that teacher could plan that way it must be statistically advantageous for her to hedge against losing 2A1 ballot
for my son he never even did parent volunteer he just went ahead to 2C ballot and got my eldest grandson in,after all it's simply all by luck isn't it?

 

[BeerForBreakfast]

1) it's not my friend but @katenash who had posted it. 2) I'm trying to point out why a teacher might've selected her alma mater over the school she's teaching. 3) Obviously as @Oftheseas said, you don't seem to understand that if phase 2a1 is filled, there is no ballot for phase 2a2. 4) I live in a property 1km from St Nicks, so spare me the explanation on my ability to understand stats. 5) again your ignorance that teachers have priority in pri 1 registration for their kids show your lack of understanding on why this was implemented 6) please speak to your mp and if indeed your words are worth anything, share a screenshot of your mp's reply. In fact while you are it ask your mp why do RC grassroot leaders get priority for BTO application.

Regarding no.3, I know that but Kate Nash never said that phase 2A1 at the top school the teacher works in is filled. She did not put up that info, am I supposed to imagine it?
what do you mean by “my ignorance that teachers have priority”. Are you denying they have priority?? Why do they get to have priority to enroll their own kids which is a family affair in the school they teach at which is their place of employment and enjoy privilege and an Easy Pass in this grueling journey for “all parents except ministers” in the words of another forummer? Why is this justified? Are you working as a teacher?

So should generals and colonels also have priority to make sure their sons serve in the units under their command?? I will certainly dispute this with the authorities!

 

[Clazav]

So what do you think changed then and now? Why are you so dramatic about the difficulties? Is it because you did not excel in the system during your time? If anything, didn’t MOE make exams easier now than the students born in the 80s and 90s? They even made Chinese easier, can use hanyu pinyin, and now primary school no exams in the Mid year from 2023!! If anything standards are being relaxed because parents feel indignant that their kids study so hard, but still have to compete with Pinoy and Tiong grads. So to justify their continued foreigner import, they have to make the curriculum lower standard. Last time where got no mid year exams this sort of thing?!!

Does using hanyu Pinyin make Chinese easier? If I'm a Chinese language teacher, implementing hanyu Pinyin means I can throw in any word as I wish, as long the kids can pronounce. Just think about how allowing calculator 'seems' to make Math easier..