Proposal Ring - Part 2

[bedposthalo]

Strange that can still get triple excellent huh... that's what a friend of mine says too. I viewed the diamond with this small scope thing to see the hearts and arrows, is that the one? I thought it looked ok when I see through this scope. My gf could see the inclusion but didn't have other negative things to say.

The inclusions are within the top surface area which suggest they are not on the edges or girdle, if I'm interpreting right. I guess I'll have to tell my gf that the hca score is too high and drop this from consideration.

Do you have the certificate or scopes of the stone to share? The score is very bad for an Excellent cut stone. I've seen Very Good cut diamonds with even lower HCA scores.

An example of a HCA score 6-

An example of effects of light leakage.. the white part on Ideal Scope will be blackish dead zone on the diamond.

I suppose the Hearts that you see is the Hearts and Arrows scope.
And nope, Hearts and arrows scope cannot be used solely. It doesn't show any leakages that occur.

By the way, is it a GIA?
Your SO does not have complains on it's brilliancy.. try comparing with another diamond might help. I would say the difference will be obvious. Hope this helps bro!

 

[vodaboy]

imho, u should not just drop the stone becos of high HCA. U should compare it side by side with other candidates and see which one you prefer visually.. HCA doesn't see the stone, while GIA has seen the stone and gave it triple excellent..

So I would assume I should only be comparing between stones of similar specs right? Instead of another stone with different HCA just to see if I can tell the difference in briliancy for different HCA scores.

Do you have the certificate or scopes of the stone to share? The score is very bad for an Excellent cut stone. I've seen Very Good cut diamonds with even lower HCA scores.

An example of a HCA score 6-

An example of effects of light leakage.. the white part on Ideal Scope will be blackish dead zone on the diamond.

I suppose the Hearts that you see is the Hearts and Arrows scope.
And nope, Hearts and arrows scope cannot be used solely. It doesn't show any leakages that occur.

By the way, is it a GIA?
Your SO does not have complains on it's brilliancy.. try comparing with another diamond might help. I would say the difference will be obvious. Hope this helps bro!

Thanks very much for the info. Yeah sure the diamond report can be found here: GIA - Report Check

It's the last diamond of the size and grade so didn't do any comparison with another stone.

 

[Tolkein]

Ideal 0.74 F VS1 $6200
Super ideal 0.67 F VS1 $5850
Super ideal 0.742 G VVS2 $7300

Is the above their usual quoted rates?
Thought the 0.74 ideal is a better deal since I prefer the size for my gf. and she don't mind getting ideal after seeing the scope.

And what's hca rating? Wasn't explained on that too...

I got quoted $7600 for 0.747 G VVS2 ... so i guess the last one is a better deal than mine ...

 

[bedposthalo]

So I would assume I should only be comparing between stones of similar specs right? Instead of another stone with different HCA just to see if I can tell the difference in briliancy for different HCA scores.


Thanks very much for the info. Yeah sure the diamond report can be found here: GIA - Report Check

It's the last diamond of the size and grade so didn't do any comparison with another stone.

No problem The high HCA score is probably contributed to the very steep pavilion angle. Steep pavilion angle will most likely have the 'ring of death' light leakage in the middle.

 

[UNiteedy]

Strange that can still get triple excellent huh... that's what a friend of mine says too. I viewed the diamond with this small scope thing to see the hearts and arrows, is that the one? I thought it looked ok when I see through this scope. My gf could see the inclusion but didn't have other negative things to say.

The inclusions are within the top surface area which suggest they are not on the edges or girdle, if I'm interpreting right. I guess I'll have to tell my gf that the hca score is too high and drop this from consideration.

Hearts and arrows is to see the symmetry. You will need the Ideal or Aset scope to see the light performance. The HCA only checks the basic facets and the average angles of the diamond. So if the HCA score is this high, it means the basic average angles are already way off.

Ideal 0.74 F VS1 $6200
Super ideal 0.67 F VS1 $5850
Super ideal 0.742 G VVS2 $7300

Exclude setting. Are the prices the norm within JP?

Comparing your price from past posts, it looks normal.

Price sounds about there. The 0.67ct is a rare size.. Diamond price increases significantly when it hits 0.70ct. If I'm not wrong, their Super Ideal 0.7ct F VS1 would be $7k+. Betweem a 0.67ct and 0.7ct, I doubt the difference will be obvious.

If I'm not wrong, JP limits their super ideal cut HCA score to be below 1.4.
It's just one of the criteria they use. A low HCA score doesn't guarantee it's good anyway.

-Difference in Super Ideal and Ideal cut-
Interesting to note is the Ideal cut can still have a lower HCA score than the Super ideal
My first time I spotted the difference was when I request to bring both diamonds outside the store in sunlight. In the store, it's much harder to see the difference because of the store lighting.

If my missus ever wants to upgrade, I'll hunt for a 0.99

 

[Lucask83]

I got quoted $7600 for 0.747 G VVS2 ... so i guess the last one is a better deal than mine ...

Bro urs is slightly bigger. But I guess can't tell e diff ahah
Anw mine is 7150 for .71 D Vs2 u go for clarity I go for color

 

[Lucask83]

Ideal 0.74 F VS1 $6200
Super ideal 0.67 F VS1 $5850
Super ideal 0.742 G VVS2 $7300

Is the above their usual quoted rates?
Thought the 0.74 ideal is a better deal since I prefer the size for my gf. and she don't mind getting ideal after seeing the scope.

And what's hca rating? Wasn't explained on that too...

U went to Jp and wasn't explained on hca? That's surprising. Anw I guessed I asked for d color. Didn't see the diamonds which u picked.

 

[hellosecrets]

Yes I was shocked at the standard of service I've gotten. Hence I didn't make immediate decision. Just so caught between going another jeweler or go with the girl I met.

 

[hellosecrets]

Bro urs is slightly bigger. But I guess can't tell e diff ahah
Anw mine is 7150 for .71 D Vs2 u go for clarity I go for color

Yours look pretty good deal as it's a D colour! Who served you at JP?

 

[Lucask83]

Yours look pretty good deal as it's a D colour! Who served you at JP?

Is color really a big deal? I understand from my friend it is but I really can't tell a D from a G. Oops. I was served by a young Filippino guy called Samuel. He shared with us quite a bit and also showed us e difference between a few diamonds. Hope to share the scope when I got it.

Anw I said I was surprised that they didn't talk about HCA because their HCA Are all below 1.4! Which are v gd but he also shared that HCA is not everything and even the angle u input, it's an average of all the facet... SO HCA gd can also can be lousy shine...

 

[dankyh]

Bro urs is slightly bigger. But I guess can't tell e diff ahah
Anw mine is 7150 for .71 D Vs2 u go for clarity I go for color

Ive got mine .71 G VVS1 for 50 dollars more than you. 7200. They only showned me 2 .7 diamonds one brellia and one super ideal so didnt have much to choose! Hahah but setteled for super ideal.

 

[lycanboy]

Sorry guys.

I know this has been asked tons of times in this thread but i cant seems to find the answer.



It is my first time finding a proposal ring.

All I know is that the rings sold in LH, SK, Taka etc.. are not that value for money in terms of quality?

Does JannPaul have any rings that is =<$2000? I am not sure about the type or size of the diamond that I am able to get with this low budget.

All the prices I saw in this thread is >$2000.

Hopefully, you guys can provide me with some suggestions!

Thank you

 

[Tolkein]

Bro urs is slightly bigger. But I guess can't tell e diff ahah
Anw mine is 7150 for .71 D Vs2 u go for clarity I go for color

I wanted G VS2 and maximise carat, but limited stock. Hence I have to pay more for better clarity which I cannot see anyway ....

 

[tk]

Does JannPaul have any rings that is =<$2000? I am not sure about the type or size of the diamond that I am able to get with this low budget.

All the prices I saw in this thread is >$2000.

imho, with a budget of $2k it would be better to look at other shops.. JP may only be able to get u a 0.3ct at that budget, which is a bit small.. at other shops can find a 0.4ct GIA triple ex.. or even bigger if u are willing to compromise on color/clarity.. a 0.4ct looks noticeably bigger than a 0.3ct..

good reading for newcomers to diamond ring shopping..
Proposal Ring: Singapore's Ultimate Diamond Information Site

 

[ZEBRA85]

has anyone went oversea to get their proposal or wedding bands? i will be going Sydney. any recommendation for rings?

 

[Gothika]

Sorry guys.

I know this has been asked tons of times in this thread but i cant seems to find the answer.



It is my first time finding a proposal ring.

All I know is that the rings sold in LH, SK, Taka etc.. are not that value for money in terms of quality?

Does JannPaul have any rings that is =<$2000? I am not sure about the type or size of the diamond that I am able to get with this low budget.

All the prices I saw in this thread is >$2000.

Hopefully, you guys can provide me with some suggestions!

Thank you

$2k+ can get a 0.3ct~ super ideal cut ring with JP. I got a 0.3ct myself


My 0.3ct is very eye catching and shiny. We could see the difference in quality, even against other bigger sized diamonds. Highly advise you not to consider dropping quality.
Did a feedback check with my lady after proposing.. sparkle and color most important to her. Even her's not big, she still proudly wears it everyday..
more mileage for upgrade in future also hehe.
tip for readers: diligently wash it after every wear. helps to maintain.

 

[tk]

Even her's not big, she still proudly wears it everyday..
more mileage for upgrade in future also hehe.
tip for readers: diligently wash it after every wear. helps to maintain.

hmm.. she wash it everyday? any special technique to washing? just water or with soap?

 

[Gothika]

hmm.. she wash it everyday? any special technique to washing? just water or with soap?

Not exactly everyday la.. haha. more like once every week or so. She just use a toothbrush and water. no need soap.

 

[Lucask83]

Ive got mine .71 G VVS1 for 50 dollars more than you. 7200. They only showned me 2 .7 diamonds one brellia and one super ideal so didnt have much to choose! Hahah but setteled for super ideal.

Haha no need to think at all right? Anw I m on a lookout for new stock.. Cos I not sure if the inclusions are ok also. Yet to get my scope images

 

[cookieemonsterr]

I finally bought the diamond after 3/4 months of research. What a tiring process. I went down to many shops. I went down to JP thrice.

VVS2 Solasfera F 0.53c

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